WOW! you know all of you have your opinoins on the film i applaud you for that but really , i'm so tired of you endlessly prattling on about it --- i see people complianing here on comingsoon.net and other sites --- and i just think that maybe you will never be happy --- it's just a movie , sure it won't be as great as raiders , nothing will , but it the same people in a few weeks will say that the dark knight sucks because of the actors suckee portrayal--- or that x-file will be bad cause it has "aliens" quit complaing and just chat about good things --- i'm sure you parent s always said " if you don't have anthing nice to say , don't say anything at all " i by the way like kotcs , there that what i have to say about that !

This is why I am now in LOVE with the ignore feature of this board :whip:

:hat: It would have been better if they made KOTCS into a good film - an Indiana Jones Film.

Mac is Indy's Friend. Mac isn't Indy's Friend. Mac is Indy's Friend. Mac isn't Indy's Friend. Mac is Indy's Friend. Mac isn't Indy's Friend.

Mac and Cheese.

Sucked
 

The movie sucked, period. And PLENTY of people think this. Rarely do I find a friend or coworker who enjoyed it. I'm a big fan of Raiders, and enjoy Doom and Crusade. KOTCS is nothing more than average to below average at best.

Great movies hit home on first viewing. This isn't a genre that requires multiple viewings to admire and appreciate nuances of character and plot. It's action.

Cough syrup is nasty on the first gulp, not quite as nasty on the second or third ... but it's still nasty. A couple months have passed, and the film was utterly forgettable. It's sad really.

George and Steve are simply not what they used to be.

By the way, I'm not expecting a carbon copy of Raiders. But I'm tired of people saying a new Indy film can't be as good as Raiders, in its own way. To say a sequel cannot be as good as the original is the biggest copout. There's plenty that pull it off (Aliens, T2, Godfather 2) -- it's just not easy to do and is rare, but it can be done with the right mix of talent.

I completely disagree with everything you just said, but especially this.

There are a lot of great movies that you can have growing appreciation for in multiple viewings, ESPECIALLY action movies. Action happens fast and in several cases need repeat viewings or just time to let it all sink in to completely form your own opinion on the film.

Or not...

The movie sucked, period. And PLENTY of people think this. Rarely do I find a friend or coworker who enjoyed it. I'm a big fan of Raiders, and enjoy Doom and Crusade. KOTCS is nothing more than average to below average at best.

Great movies hit home on first viewing. This isn't a genre that requires multiple viewings to admire and appreciate nuances of character and plot. It's action.

It is pretty much your god given right to dislike anything and voice your opinion about it. You didn't like Crystal Skull? Fine. However, stating your opinion and pretending that it is fact, or worse yet a universal truth that we all share, is what sucks... period. Rarely do I find a friend or coworker who disliked the new Indy film--so what?

Lots of people enjoyed Crystal Skull, and I am sure others did not. The same could be said about most movies ever made. Believe it or not, I had a girlfriend who slept through Raiders of the Lost Ark. We broke up shortly afterwards.

I enjoyed the movie from the first viewing, and each subsequent viewing.

I can't think of a freind or coworker who did not enjoy this fun popcorn flick - in fact, many of them said it was the best of the sequals or at least better than TOD.

I guess you and I live in two different worlds.

There are a lot of great movies that you can have growing appreciation for in multiple viewings, ESPECIALLY action movies. Action happens fast and in several cases need repeat viewings or just time to let it all sink in to completely form your own opinion on the film.[/quote]

Well, we'll just have to disagree then.

Let's say you see a film and love it. You repeatedly watch the film to appreciate it more -- to relive the experience, to discover new layers, etc. I'll buy that.

Verses...

You see a film and, in your gut, are disappointed. You decide to watch it over and over again until you bash your gut instincts into submission and eventually give the film a thumbs up. That's fanboy-ism at its best. No one else in their right mind would pay to see a mediocre film twice. Things are rarely as bad the second time around, that doesn't make it good. Great films hit the home run on first viewing and you go to see it again and again to appreciate it.

I see this again and again on these boards "Hey, I watched the film for a second time today... and it wasn't so bad!" Who shells out money to see a film they first thought was mediocre twice? Fanboys, and that's who are defending this film.

Do we all really have to type that something is "my opinion" everytime. Of course it's my opinion. Nobody on this board is right, nobody is wrong. Stating my point of view, and mine alone.

Sounds like you were right to dump the girl though.

Wow...
 

I know I'm taking us back to the beginning with this quote, but WOW. That's accurate! I've read 4 of the scripts. KOTCS is the best of all of them...but it is also practically plagarism. Darabont's script featured several of the key scenes in KOTCS including a Hangar 51 opening, the rocket sled escape, and the Doom Town sequence (which appears on screen with only minor changes). GL's history with script drafts (research the history of Star Wars if you want to debate the point) is such that parts of earlier drafts survive to the end. But there are times - in my opinion - where you have to scrap everything and run fresh. KOTCS seems uneven, and I think that's the root problem: parts from prior drafts were force-fitted into place. It shows. DK borrowed too much from FD. :gun:

this thread hasnt really helped i see...

i just thought that people have been whining and complaining about how sh!t KOTCS is that when asked whether they would rather have it be made or not that your true decision would really be shown.
sadly i've started a thread that has more whining and complaining.
im tired of this lets start talking about the good things of KOTCS.
can a mod close my thread?

The prologue basically came from the "Saucermen" script, though.

And ultimately, Lucas is the one who came up with all the main elements: Area 51, Roswell, Rocket sled, Doom Town, Russians, Nazca lines, Giant ants, Crystal Skull, Lost Amazonian City, etc.

This is a good question, and one that I have mixed feelings about. On the one hand, I am completely disappointed with the film. I won't be grateful that I got an Indy film at all, because that is completely ridiculous. Why would I mindlessly thank someone for something I hate? It's not a present at a birthday party, it's a movie, one that I paid to see, and one that I did not enjoy. At least with a bad birthday present you can always return it (unless you're like me and are no longer able to do so because Target says you've returned too many things).

On the other hand, I am grateful for the experience. Last Crusade came out when I was a year old, and I had to be taken out of the theater because I was crying. I have seen Raiders on the big screen, but I didn't think I'd see something new. The excitement and hype for the movie was something I enjoyed, and I will always remember the experience, regardless of how disappointed I was with the final product. So, is the experience enough to accept an at best mediocre film? I don't know. I could have lived without the film, but I did enjoy the build up.

Also, I don't think it'll be remembered fondly in years to come. Some argue that Temple of Doom went through the same transformation, being panned when it came out and then accepted today, but I don't see that. A lot of people I know still don't like Temple of Doom. It is their least favorite of the originals. While it has become accepted, even loved, by Indy fans, the rest of the world doesn't seem to have gone through the same transformation. I don't think KotCS will be any different. If people hate it now, they probably always will. Indy fans may grow an appreciation for it, but others will not.

i can not really make up my mind....i am grateful that they made it but i just dont understand lucas or spielberg....i mean didnt they realize that some scenes were just not right...it would have been so easier to make this movie more acceptable.....i just want Indy5 to make up for all that i really want another one....call me crazy

That's the problem right there, then.

The movie gave us one great sequence (fridge included)...



Is it enough? I think so.
But as the movie nears its ending it becames less and less memorable.
Oh, I miss the riding to sunset ending from LC. I want an Indy 5 that can fix all the flaws, but it's a risky wish, I know.

Can you call it plagarism when the scripts are all dicatated by the same man? Personally, I thought the movie was fine and just needed better execution in some spots.

i'm glad they made it.

:p


Be nice...


Although, honestly, I am wondering about all those returns to Target.


Hard to please gene? :p


Sidenote: People return birthday presents?! I have never heard of this! :confused:

I agree. :hat:

As do I. It is a very fun movie, and left me with a big grin on my face.

Clever. I must admit I liked that you didn't just outright make fun of the fact that I was young. Much more subtle. Kudos.


Haha, moreso in high school. I've gotten better. Honest.

And yes, sometimes shallow people will return things they don't want in order to get things they want. It makes it kind of awkward when your friend asks to borrow that DVD they bought for you...

"Indy 4" and other unnecessary Sequels
 

So right...


http://network.nationalpost.com/np/b...y-sequels.aspx

Was that before or after being plied with so much booze they could barely stand up? Either that or a lot of pot smoking.

Nope, they just went in with the simple goal in mind of being entertained by an Indy flick.

I don't think any of them were in fear of having their lives ruined by it.

This is light popcorn fare, folks - and I for one hope they make another family adventure with the Jonses!!!

Well thats it isn't it? Some people take this stuff too seriously - my peer group thought it was a right laugh, flawed maybe, but more fun than alot of movies out there. The point is, they don't go to the flicks for a life altering experience, they got to have FUN! :up:

Well said graz, well said.

I don't know why I have to be a gloomy, sarcastic and dull just because I didn't think Crystal Skull was great. I saw countless things I would changed and was dissapointed, but you wont catch me lying down on the sidewalk, sobbing. I saw Wanted a little later and I thought it was a lot of fun, I was still not highfive-ing everyone I met the next day. What I'm trying to say is that I can enjoy/dislike movies without it having an impact on my mood or personality. I think/hope most of you agree.

Hm... I only had the time to see it once. As I look back, I had a lot of fun but had a small bit of disappointment at the end of the movie.

Big movies like this have a ton of hype, and you expect it to be the best thing ever made when you see it. Overhyped movies tend to always slightly disappoint me when I see them the first time, and then when I see them again, I love them. Sequels especially.

This is not bashing your "gut instinct" into submission, for most people. One goes into this movie with high or even unrealistic expectations. Most people go in hoping for it to be as good as Raiders, but don't get that, and are therefore disappointed.

The film grows on you the second time because you watch it without worrying about it. You go into the film without expectations, without the hype, simply to watch it for fun. If it really isn't for you, then it will still suck. If you do actually like it, you will actually like it.

I went in and enjoyed myself, and was slightly disappointed because I was expecting something slightly different. But only slightly. It was more the difference in time period that really got me. It was a whole change in tone from Nazi fighting. However, I still enjoyed the film.

A second viewing, I'm sure, will give me a chance to enjoy it without having these expectations on my mind, giving me a chance to focus on the film itself.

Oh, and by the way... Temple of Doom is my favorite of the four films. I absolutely love everything about it, it's outrageous quality included.

Someday, KOTCS is going to become one of those midnight audience participation cult films where the audiences perform a Rocky Horror Picture Show rendition of it. It will become legendary for providing a barrel of cheap laughs to drunken college students.

they needed a way better script that wasn't so hammy and half-hearted,better characters,and more practical effects like they promised us.Indy 4 happened obviously,but it just didnt deliver for me man.

I think now that all the dust has settled on this piece of **** film, it's safe to say:

1. Ford was too old.
2. There was no reason to continue with the franchise; it had an already satisfying finale (semi-satisfying as Last Crusade is all-in-all a **** film).
3. The script was rushed despite the 19 years they had to perfect it; obviously they greenlit the first piece of **** they could get their hands on before Ford finally gave up in exasperation.
4. FORD WAS TOO DAMN OLD.


Definitely didn't need to be made.

i agree with number two,but how can you think indiana jones cannot age man? of course harrison's older but he still pulled it off,in my opinion he's the only thing that held the movie together. but even some of the things they had indy do were too dudgy

Pulled it off? Which is why he lumbered around clumsily through the whole of the film. The most physically demanding stunt for him was to muster the energy to arch an eyebrow in appreciation of Shia Ladouche. ... though he did seem to do that a lot.

No, he spent the movie riding ***** to that turd because he was TOO OLD. Spielberg recognized it; why else do you think Shia was introduced? To take the weight off of an aging "star."


Nothing against aging, but Ford was too old to be THE Indiana Jones. All we got was a crotchety old man mimicking the mind-bogglingly awful dialogue Connery had in the prior film. Ugh, no thanks.

Spielberg should have ignored Lucas, Ford and most of us and made Lincoln instead. Sadly, he'll never seem quite the same director after this debacle...

I think it's a valid argument (although I may not agree). Personally - I think it's great to see an older and more grizzled Indiana Jones (perhaps one of the only iconic figures, apart from Luke Skywalker, I’d like to see as an older character), but playing the Devils Advocate one could argue that…

1) Ford would/did need to reduce his physical performance (which is fundamental to the part/character).
2) A large section of the audience cannot relate to a 60 year old lead character hero, which results in the movie having to bring in younger characters (such as Mutt) which takes some of the spotlight off Indy (who should be the main character).

Again - I don't necessarily agree with the above, but one could argue that they those challenges could conflict with the fundamentals.

I'm glad they made it. Sure, we would've loved to get it sooner, but I'm happy they made it. And it was a decent film with Ford still in top form.

LOL - You didn't enjoy it did you? :up:

Interesting to see your opinion of LC as well though. Would you rather they had just stopped at two? (or don't you like TOD either?)

Personally, I'd watch Harrison Ford punch people if he was eighty. Some actors just have the ability to pull off action and some don't. Long after he's gone, Ford will be remembered as one of cinema's great action stars. There are actors in their 20s who can't throw a screen punch like Harrison.

Once an interviewer asked Harrison Ford whether he thinks he's a great actor. His response was that he thinks he is a "very serviceable actor." He knows his limits and how to sell certain roles.

QFT.

It can be argued that the world doesn't need another Indiana Jones movie (even if it were a great movie). Indiana Jones, Batman or Spiderman movies will not move the world of cinema on any... but do I still get a kick out of seeing Harrison dressed up as Indy punching some Nazi or Russian soldier? Bloody right I do... Will I still pay to see Indy doing his stuff? Of course ;)

You'll welcome more of Indiana Jones regardless of how bad the film(s) could be? Case closed.

Nope - There has to be an assumption on my part that the movie would be of a certain quality. I would be relatively happy with a movie of the same quality of KOTCS or even TOD...

It's really the same as how people welcome a Batman movie that isn't actually about Batman, where he’s actually a bystander in his own movie and his character/personality is not evolved in any way (some may say that about KOTCS). Either way it’s largely relative…

I'm usually behind you Darth Vile as one of the few spoken people who likes Kingdom, but thats just wrong >_>

Well it's only an opinion... and they all differ from time to time. ;)

Ultimately I think all the standout moments in TDK revolve around and focus on the Joker... he carries the movie (both as a character and because of HL’s performance). At least with KOTCS, regardless of whether you like it or not, it's still carried by Indy/Harrison Ford.

My conclusion is that they should have done this back in 1996 or 1997,when Harrison was a bit younger,Connery wasn't retired,Lucas hadn't yet made Phantom Menace,Kasdan definitley should have returned to the team and sat down with george and steven and mapped out the movie in one room like they did with raiders,and Steven would direct it.

1.) Yes, they should have done it earlier.

2.) No they didn't need to make it. But they did.

3.) No it wasn't as good as it could/should have been.

4.) We STILL don't need another one.

5.) We'd still probably like to see another one. Some of us say they wouldn't go see another but they probably would.

damn right man

One of the main reasons I DO like KOTCS in some respects. It is Indy and he did come back. His adventure wasn't as interesting but I did enjoy seeing Harrison play him again. So I did get something out of it. But it also hurt my feelings that his triumphant return was in a mediocre movie.