Wow, if this is an example of your: BRAVO!

:rolleyes: ...of this there is no doubt. If action and adventure is your common bond, it would lend some creedence to such posts, sure.

But here is where you go off the rails:

Like your myopic comprehension of my position in the "We Raveners Suck" thread, (and everywhere else), it's you who it seems REFUSES to "get it."

But to people who are here solely for the Off Topic thread and those who continue to willfully misconstrue the objections of like minded Indiana Jones fans, and I say this with as little respect as you manage to muster, in the words of Brendan Behan:

"...a soldiers farewell to ya..."

Yep. That's what makes the Raven, the raven.

...and Stewie, and Junior...:D

Some of the few keeping this place Indiana Jonesy

It's purely Platonic, but yes, The Raven is a viable community. And what would a community be without some difference of opinion, or moderators for that matter?

I respect the opinions of a lot of the members here, so I'm not against drifting off into off-topic areas to hear their views. We can't live by bread and Indy alone, but when all is said and done, the main interest here will always be Indy.

KOTCS doesn't make me disenchanted about Indy. Only disenchanted about his likely future.


Uncle Stewie and cousin Junior, we couldn't forget them!

I guess I'll be the drunk in-law that stops by unannounced from time-to-time.

Unabashed and ready to play a game no doubt:hat:

I'm really not digging the cynicism here. :down:

I honestly don't see any real lack of Indiana Jones discussion and an overdose of non-Indiana Jones discussion on TheRaven.net, but even if this were true, I think the real problem is due to the fact that Indiana Jones is a rather specific subject. If you look at the most popular forums, they're based on very broad subjects(movies, sports politics etc.)

Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, whether you love it or not, you have to admit was the best thing to happen to the forum. For the past three years it has brought some of the most in-depth and fascinating discussion these forums have ever seen(it also brought some of the more tiring and controversial discussions but that is another story) mostly because Indiana Jones was constantly being talked about and reported in the media and it also brought more discussion with toys, video-games, books, merchandise, even The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles were brought on DVD to help promote Kingdom, so that show got most discussion from people who hadn't seen it in years. Even the original trilogy got discussed more.

Three years later, Indiana Jones isn't discussed much in the media. There have been video-games and comics but not as much. Hasbro stop making toys because there wasn't many buyers. I think that is the biggest problem of the franchise. Unlike Lucas' other franchise, Star Wars, this just doesn't have much of a life through toys, novels, games and animated television shows. Mostly because this is a more mature franchise as it follows around one character, while Star Wars takes place in an entire universe and thus is a far broader subject. It also doesn't quite help that once you've shared your views on the four movies, there isn't all that much left to discuss for most.

This forum might not be quite what it used to, but then what is? Times change people change. There will be a lot to talk about when the original trilogy comes to Blu-Ray(which many are suspecting next year). And who knows, by then, Indiana Jones 5 might be in production which will bring a ton of news and activity to this site, but until then I think we should except that this forum's discussion won't be as popular as others. And the next time you think more discussion on Indiana Jones should be had, be thankful this isn't say a Ghostbusters forum, or a Terminator forum or a Back to the Future forum. ;)

Oh, come on Rocks! I don't wanna be one of the weeds in a well trimmed lawn. I
ay be the smelly dog turd at times, but never the crab grass.

Maybe you're the dandelion: Mama had a baby and her head popped off!

It was bitten off by the dent-de-lion.

Would we really put our drunk in-law in such toothsome company as great uncle Sharkey? :eek:

As Eeyore said, "Weeds are flowers too, once you get to know them." (A.A. Milne). You may not want to water them too often.

I'll make your wish come true. Once you blow me! :o

I kid! I kid!

Sounds like you're more of a candle...:eek:

Just a lot of fluff if you ask me. ;)

A little puff, and the flame is out!

In this case is easy to see, I'm uninterested but not entirely uninvolved, and someone else is going away disenchanted...

As Rocket stated in another thread, it isn't the lack of Indy discussion that presents the problem, it's the overwhelming Off-Topic subjects that some people seem so keen on.
Right. Who are these MOST people? "My opinion is ______________. Now that's out of the way, let's talk about video games & upcoming movie releases!":rolleyes:
A lot to talk about? Ya think? "I can see the detail on the buttons of Indy's tuxedo in ToD. Now that's out of the way, let's talk about video games & upcoming movie releases!":rolleyes:
This is an odd thing to say. Be thankful for what? If this place was a "Ghostbusters", "Terminator" or "Back to the Future" forum then I would have been hanging around in the wrong place for 6 years!:eek:

However, it must be said that, at one point, The Raven was hard to distinguish from a Batman forum! (More recently, a general, all-encomposing super-hero forum).:sick:
HovitosKing, I'm glad I'm not you. "Raiders" & "Doom" rock anyway, anywhow and anywhere...

The Pro Off Topic/Anti Indy discussion backlash has begun!:rolleyes:

Now that you mention it, for all you "videophiles" and Blu-Ray mavens, what exactly IS that State of New Jesey pin on Mutt's jacket?

Why don't you use all that overpriced, inferior resolution to film equipment to benefit the boards?

That's a brilliant suggestion! Are there things we haven't noticed or haven't been able to decipher due to our hitherto inferior copies of the films?

...cause there is no egg...no matter what format you use.

Might be a thing or two worth hatching, even if they're mostly just oddities and trivia of one kind or another.

Absolutely. No stone should be be left unturned at the Raven. We're an equal opportunity offender. :p

I've always thought so. Though some of us (and of the collected works?) more than others.

Well, the other pins are from the AMA, National Honor Society and the Democratic Party...but there is one that hasn't been pegged yet.

I've looked through the first page of the "Open Discussion" Forum, and I could only see 5 threads dedicated to games(maybe 6). There's plenty of other threads dedicated to music, books and other stuff. Do you really think a thread about bacon is a much better subject for discussion?

The thing is, we have a whole board dedicated to "Indy Video Games" so the world of Indiana Jones does connect to video-games. So naturally those who have video-game consoles to play Indiana Jones games will want to discuss some other games as well.

Video games aren't your thing? That's cool. We all have our interests and disinterests. But nobody is forcing you to discuss these topics. You can always ignore them.

Glancing through the Films section, I see many threads ranging from blockbusters like Pirates 4 and Captain America to small independent films like Tree of Life and Midnight in Paris. I even see discussion on westerns and Stanley Kubrick films. We're hardly limited to one subject or type of films.

I even have seen that you posted enjoying Super 8 and seem to be interested in seeing Rise of the Planet of the Apes and Cowboys and Aliens. Are these irrelevant threads or are they good because they meet up to your standards? I also see you've been on these forums for a while, yet you didn't always seem upset by these discussions, which has seemed to be a habit of yours for the past year or two. Could it be your problem is the type of films being discussed rather than films in general being discussed?


I remember when Kingdom came on Blu-Ray/DVD, there were posts dedicated to each chapter scene of the movie, from posting captions to discussed each scene in detail and whether it was good/bad, worked with the rest of the movie etc. I can see many threads dedicating to posting captions of the trilogy in high-definition. And of course, there'll be more to discuss in terms of bonus features, covers, commercials and possible Indiana Jones material released to promote the Blu-Rays.


I named those three film franchises because those were film series at the same times Indiana Jones was yet don't get near as much discussion today as Indiana Jones does. The only other film series I can think of that get more discussion than Indiana Jones is Star Wars. Any other franchise that gets discussed as much as Indy(if not more so) are only so because they're recent so they are fresh off of younger people's minds.

Be thankful there's as much discussion for Indiana Jones as there is and unlike fans of other franchises. I mean there is still a lot of discussion on Indy that fans of other franchises don't really have, and there's far more chance of an Indiana Jones 5 than there is of a Ghostbusters 3 which keeps being rumored of. That's all I'm saying.

I really just don't see where your coming from Stoo. If you were a moderator I would understand your constant rants were coming from, but until Pale Horse started bumping up ancient threads complaining how the forums weren't up to "the good ole' days" I've not seen one moderator here who has complained how subjects here are discussed. Since your not, I think its a little disrespectful to the mods who work hard on the forums just for us. Maybe you need to take a break from the internet and realize there's more to life than these here forums. Then you'll come back and be thankful TheRave.net even exists.

I'm trying to figure out why certain members have been going around crying about the good old days and why certain members have no respect for the other people at the Raven. Why all the negativity. Forbidden is right if something someone posted doesn't interest you, ignore it. If you have nothing but unpleasantness to add that is not relevant to the conversation. Shut up already. Also when the folks complaining stop having conversations about Telletubbies http://raven.theraider.net/showthrea...ewpost&t=21455 they will have a little more room to talk about others. I know the Telletubbies thing is sarcasm but still....

Like Forbidden said

"I even have seen that you posted enjoying Super 8 and seem to be interested in seeing Rise of the Planet of the Apes and Cowboys and Aliens. Are these irrelevant threads or are they good because they meet up to your standards? I also see you've been on these forums for a while, yet you didn't always seem upset by these discussions, which has seemed to be a habit of yours for the past year or two. Could it be your problem is the type of films being discussed rather than films in general being discussed?"

And it's not just Stoo. You all go on about your interest Indy related and not, but when someone has something to say you don't care about you lash out like children. I have gotten into some stupid and heated arguments over peoples general unfriendliness and am disgusted by the behavior here (mine as well a time or two). Why have open forums if we are not supposed to talk about other stuff? Where do we draw the line? I feel like every time I post I get talk down to by someone so should I bother? (Rhetorical but I'm sure I'll hear some sh*tty response from someone, cuz that's The Raven)

Here here. And you're right, it's not just Stoo. Although I think he may be their chosen leader...