Star Wars: The Last Jedi

Rey is the progeny of...

  • Luke & (Mara?)

    Votes: 5 38.5%
  • Obi Wan & (Satine?)

    Votes: 5 38.5%
  • Qui Gon & (Shmi?)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Anakin & (midi-chlorians?)

    Votes: 1 7.7%
  • Palpatine or/and Dooku

    Votes: 2 15.4%

  • Total voters
    13

curmudgeon

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IndyBuff

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AndyLGR said:
Title confirmed today as The Last Jedi.

Not a bad title. It could be seen as being either singular or plural. So far Disney is two for two and I'm expecting this one to be just as solid.
 

AndyLGR

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IndyBuff said:
Not a bad title. It could be seen as being either singular or plural. So far Disney is two for two and I'm expecting this one to be just as solid.
Yeah they're definitely off to a good start IMO.
 

Grizzlor

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TFA established that Luke tried rebuilding the Jedi Order but failed, so he's the only "full Jedi" remaining. He's not the only one left with strong force powers, but "technically" the last "trained" Jedi.
 

Pale Horse

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IndyBuff said:
Not a bad title. It could be seen as being either singular or plural. So far Disney is two for two and I'm expecting this one to be just as solid.

It's singular:

Episode VII
THE FORCE AWAKENS

Luke Skywalker has vanished. In his absence, the sinister FIRST ORDER has risen from the ashes of the Empire and will not rest until Skywalker, the last Jedi, has been destroyed.



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curmudgeon

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It's also in context for that point of time. Luke's the "Last Jedi"... for the moment, and not necessarily the last ever.

That was the whole point of the First Order trying to find him in the last film. Snoke even says something to the effect of "If we don't find him first, the new Jedi will rise."
 

Moedred

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An update from Iger, definitely retiring July 2, 2019, mapping out the next 15 years of Star Wars:
We had to deal with tragedy at the end of 2016. Carrie appears throughout VIII. We are not changing VIII to deal with her passing. Her performance remains as it is in VIII. In Rogue One, we had some digital character. We are not doing that with Carrie.
Edit: the Star Wars talk starts here at 25:45.
 
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curmudgeon

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IndyBuff

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I'm a bit underwhelmed by the trailer. I don't put much stock in them anyway, as I'm sure the film will be fantastic, but it doesn't get me as excited as the one for Episode VII did.

I also hope Rey comes from a completely different line. I don't think everything in Star Wars needs to be related or intertwined. It would be nice to see someone without any ties to current characters pop up for a change.:)
 

Forbidden Eye

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IndyBuff said:
I'm a bit underwhelmed by the trailer. I don't put much stock in them anyway, as I'm sure the film will be fantastic, but it doesn't get me as excited as the one for Episode VII did.

I think Star Wars hype has reached its peak with the "Chewie We're Home!" line from the trailer for Episode VII, seeing Han Solo for the first time in 32 years. Everything else is downhill from that.

Will still see it in theaters of course, but the "one Star Wars film a year" thing is sort of taking away the novelty of the event of a new Star Wars flick.
 

curmudgeon

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The best observation I've seen about the teaser is that it's meant to intrigue the viewer rather than blow them away with spectacle. It's supposed to make you wonder why Luke would walk away from it all, and if he can be coaxed back.

And out of all the trailers since that second Force Awakens teaser, this one is probably the least reliant on nostalgia. Most of the references to or appearances by original trilogy elements are either brief, distant, shadowed, or barely audible. Elements and characters that are new to this film or from the last film are mostly seen close up, or taking up the majority of the frame in comparison to any other elements.

Maybe that change in direction from the other films' trailers is a miscalculation on their part, but it's interesting.
 

IndyBuff

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Forbidden Eye said:
I think Star Wars hype has reached its peak with the "Chewie We're Home!" line from the trailer for Episode VII, seeing Han Solo for the first time in 32 years. Everything else is downhill from that.

Will still see it in theaters of course, but the "one Star Wars film a year" thing is sort of taking away the novelty of the event of a new Star Wars flick.

That may be part of it. I do like that the trailer doesn't give much away, which is a nice change of pace.
 

Moedred

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Behind the scenes:

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AndyLGR

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Saw this on its initial midnight showings here in the UK.

This film does some stuff that surpised me in a good way, there are some fantastic performances and visuals and and theres some stuff that I thought was a little disappointing too.

I thought that the standout performances come from Mark Hamill and Adam Driver.

The film follows directly on from TFA, starting with the Resistance evacuating their base as the First Order are on their way to retaliate for the destruction of the Starkiller base.

We then move on to Lukes island as Rey hands him his lightsaber.

Luke wants nothing to do with her and wants her to leave, he doesn't train her. Rey is good here as she wants Luke to help her understand her powers. They also really go somewhere dark when Luke does ask her to open her mind to the force and she embraces the dark side which is present on the island in the form of a similar dark side cave to the one on Dagobah. But disappointingly they don't really explore this further. We get to hear and see how Luke tried to kill Ben Solo when he discovers he is turning to the dark side, but he also blames himself for that happening. Luke is very broken. We get a Yoda cameo too. We see the Jedi archives that Luke has and we hear him decrying the Jedi order for the mistake they made with Anakin and then him with Ben Solo. Theres some kind of force connection between Kylo and Rey and they can communicate, I can see this being a divisive plot point with the die hards. Luke discovers this and orders her to leave the island, she believes she can turn Kylo back and goes to him. This is all a plan from Snoke to draw her out so he can find out where Luke is and then kill her.


I really liked the Snoke character, evil with a great look and I wanted to know more about him.
But I was surprised that Snoke is killed by Kylo Ren halfway through. The ensuing lightsaber fight where he teams up with Rey to defeat Snokes guards was good and also unexpected too. They turn on each other at the end as he wants her to join him, but she leaves Kylo unconscious, at this point Rey basically disappears from the movie until the end battle on Crait where she pops up in the Falcon with Chewie.


In between all this....
The First Order are pursuing whats left of The Resistance, which is basically Leias cruiser. She is out of action due to being injured but then comes to life in a ridiculous scene. The only way for the Resistance to be able to flee successfully is if they can disable the FO's tracking ability.


So in order to accomplish this they send Finn to the casino planet Canto Bight. This was my main downside of the story
ultimately this side adventure is pointless as they fail in their mission, all it is there to do is set up Benicio Del Toros character to double cross them and help the First Order discover the Resistance ships fleeing the main cruiser to the nearby planet of Crait


Visually the end battle on Crait looks fantastic with its red planet surface, it has elements of the Hoth battle and also some elements of the Jedi space battle in the Death Stars superstructure too.

Luke using the force to project himself on to Crait to then confront Kylo in a lightsaber face off was a surprise and his supposed death from using the force to do that wasn't the way I expected Luke to go out. That was a touch disappointing I thought.


Also...

I can't see anything other than a CGI Leia in IX, she is alive and well at the end of TLJ and part of the small band that escape the First Order on Crait


I'll be seeing it again over Christmas, its a good film that rattled by considering its nearly 2.5 half hours long. My first impression was that it wasn't as immediate as TFA or RO, theres lots going on and lots to think about too, especially because of the story choices they make. I can see elements of it being either loved or hated with no inbetween.
 

JasonMa

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Ugh. It was better the prequels is about the best thing I can say in a spoiler-free context. #not myStarWars
 

Joe Brody

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Yup. Red hot mess -- I'll stick with Rogue One, thank you very much.

Tough watching Carrie Fischer -- with her bipolar disorder and other ailments/dependencies, I can't watch the film without thinking that this return to the limelight was the wrong thing for her.

Daisy Ridley is a bona fide star and its a shame she's getting a phantom menac(y) franchise.
 

IndyBuff

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I'm still trying to process it all. It was fun, yet I can't shake some glaring character and pacing problems. It's okay but the people calling it the best since Empire are really over-selling it.

I need to see it a few more times once it comes out on home release, but right now I'd easily place Rogue One and The Force Awakens above it. My wife and I both walked out happy, yet as the weekend wore on we both found major issues with the film that brought it down for us. It has some incredible moments but it also has some stuff that really sinks it too.
 
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