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I hate marions drinking contest it's so boring and gets worse everytime I see it!
Gabeed said:For me, it's probably the "X marks the spot" part in LC in the Venice library. Don't get me wrong, I love the scene with Indy smashing the floor tile in tandem with the librarian's stamping his books.
But the Venice library scene in its entirety feels very rushed. The search for III, VII, and X is kinda insipid (Alison Doody looks like she's looking REAL hard there ), and lacks an explanation as to why those certain numbers are on there other than there to be an X on the floor. It also irks me that Indy has to climb the stairs to see the X. I know it's an effect and all . . . but c'mon. Harrison's peripheral vision isn't that bad.
I love LC, but it's during this scene that a very "rushed" feeling, which I feel permeates throughout the entire movie, is at its most obvious.
Rocket Surgeon said:Yeah, Indy as a mercenary for organized crime is real sophistication!
graz said:I really don't like the end of TOD. I know its supposed to be corny and old fashioned but I just find it squirmy and embarrassing. Made worse by the fact that after all he's been through i would imagine Indy would want to get as far away from Willie as possible.
Lance Quazar said:Indy starts out greedy and selfish. "Fortune and Glory." At the end of the movie, he's nice. Saves kids, gives diamonds away to poor villagers.
It's called a "character arc", son.
Arizona Smith said:Marion getting hit by a branch in KotCS. I know directors sometimes like to sneak in quick, pointless scenes just for the hell of it but Marion randomly getting hit by a branch is a whole new level of pointless. Unless I missed something that would add some significance to this.
Lance Quazar said:Indy starts out greedy and selfish. "Fortune and Glory." At the end of the movie, he's nice. Saves kids, gives diamonds away to poor villagers.
It's called a "character arc", son.
Darth Vile said:You really believe that's a discernable character arc? I don't see a horrible Indy at the start of TOD... so I'm struggling to see where his emotional journey of discovery is.
Kevin said:This is why TOD is so great; its the only one of the four where Indy's actions "matter."
In ROTLA, if Indy had not been there, Nazis still would have gotten the Ark and been killed when they opened it.
In LC, if Indy had not been there, Donovan would have still aged to dust, and Elsa probably would have been killed trying to take the Grail past the seal. This is assuming Elsa and Donovan would have made it past the traps without Indy's help, which is doubtful.
In KOTCS, Spalko would have still been incinerated by alien knowledge if Indy had not been involved.
But in TOD, Indy actually accomplishes something worthwhile, something that would not have occurred but for his involvement.
Kevin said:This is why TOD is so great; its the only one of the four where Indy's actions "matter."
In ROTLA, if Indy had not been there, Nazis still would have gotten the Ark and been killed when they opened it.
In LC, if Indy had not been there, Donovan would have still aged to dust, and Elsa probably would have been killed trying to take the Grail past the seal. This is assuming Elsa and Donovan would have made it past the traps without Indy's help, which is doubtful.
In KOTCS, Spalko would have still been incinerated by alien knowledge if Indy had not been involved.
But in TOD, Indy actually accomplishes something worthwhile, something that would not have occurred but for his involvement.
Lance Quazar said:Absolutely. They don't beat you over the head with it, but it's there.
Indy doesn't have to start out as "horrible" to have a meaningful degree of growth.
In the beginning of the film, Indy is selling a priceless, historically relevant artifact for a chunk of bling.
Willie pointedly tells Indy he's giving up "fortune and glory" at the end of the film, but he makes the selfless choice to give up the stone because it's the right thing to do.
wolfgang said:To say that TOD is to Raiders what Batman Forever is to The Dark Knight is not a valid argument because of the fact that TOD is IN THEORY, a better than sex movie!
Darth Vile said:Good point, but I'm not sure of the true ramifications... Wouldn't Henry Jones Senior have been killed if Indy had not got involved in the search for the Grail? Wouldn't Marion and Oxley have been done away with if Indy had not gone to find them?
Those are all very good points. However, we do not know whether Irina and the soldiers were incinerated or interdimensionally transported. Fewer of Jones' enemies would have died, had he not been involved, but they would not have been able to complete their missions either. The German government would have gotten hold of the Ark, but, much like its American counterpart at the end of the film, would not have been able to do much with it.Kevin said:This is why TOD is so great; its the only one of the four where Indy's actions "matter."
In ROTLA, if Indy had not been there, Nazis still would have gotten the Ark and been killed when they opened it.
In LC, if Indy had not been there, Donovan would have still aged to dust, and Elsa probably would have been killed trying to take the Grail past the seal. This is assuming Elsa and Donovan would have made it past the traps without Indy's help, which is doubtful.
In KOTCS, Spalko would have still been incinerated by alien knowledge if Indy had not been involved.
But in TOD, Indy actually accomplishes something worthwhile, something that would not have occurred but for his involvement.
Lance Quazar said:You know what, as much as I love TOD, I can't entirely disagree with you here.
The other movies have quieter, elegant endings. ToD is noisy and corny as all hell.
I know that we needed to see the village saved, the kids returning home and Indy giving the stone back. But part of me wishes we could ended with Indy, Willie and Shorty in a long shot walking back to the village with the kids out in front. Quieter, classier and more subdued.