Ancient aliens

Gabeed

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Matt deMille said:
Hi, Lance,
Now, if someone who HASN'T been on the "He's loony" bandwagon is ready to ask real questions then I'll offer real answers. Contrary to the last few posts whom I'm not going to bother responding to (for the reasons stated above), I do indeed have "new" info and have a lot more to back up what I've said. I just haven't bothered offering it on the forum since they've already shown their colors.

Yup. Just going on avoiding my rather basic line of questioning. I honestly thought you'd argue for what you believe in, but I guess even you know that you can't hold up your theories to any kind of scrutiny.


But I do want to get into my new information regarding a race of zebra mussels building a pyramid in the Great Lakes using alien technology. Detractors like Matt deMille refuse to ask real questions about my theory. It's a shame that he's so close-minded, and follows the mainstream so doggedly. All I'm asking for is an open mind, and be able to stimulate an intellectual debate about zebra mussels using their alien-enhanced siphons for several generations to create an underwater archaeological find. Why can't anyone bring an objective view to the theory of a race of 2 inch long freshwater bivalves who were guided by extraterrestrial forces to build a mighty pyramid in line with L'Anse Aux Meadows and Carthage, the sites of the most powerful naval powers in their time? Now, I have tons more information regarding the zebra mussel civilization, but I am unwilling to due to the CHILDREN who will just mock my alternate theories without being able to widen their world-view. But I am willing to discuss the matter in more detail if anyone can actually ask objective questions instead of the current, childish spectators who are unwilling to do research for themselves.
 
Gabeed said:
But I do want to get into my new information regarding a race of zebra mussels building a pyramid in the Great Lakes using alien technology. Detractors like Matt deMille refuse to ask real questions about my theory. It's a shame that he's so close-minded, and follows the mainstream so doggedly. All I'm asking for is an open mind, and be able to stimulate an intellectual debate about zebra mussels using their alien-enhanced siphons for several generations to create an underwater archaeological find. Why can't anyone bring an objective view to the theory of a race of 2 inch long freshwater bivalves who were guided by extraterrestrial forces to build a mighty pyramid in line with L'Anse Aux Meadows and Carthage, the sites of the most powerful naval powers in their time? Now, I have tons more information regarding the zebra mussel civilization, but I am unwilling to due to the CHILDREN who will just mock my alternate theories without being able to widen their world-view. But I am willing to discuss the matter in more detail if anyone can actually ask objective questions instead of the current, childish spectators who are unwilling to do research for themselves.

Next thing you know you'll be claiming they formed a relationship with a girl squirrel in a space suit...
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Montana Smith

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Rocket Surgeon said:
Next thing you know you'll be claiming they formed a relationship with a girl squirrel in a space suit...
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Evidence!

Most intriguing. I'd like to hear more about this. Will you tell me even if I initially express doubt and caution? (Which is the manner I was professionally taught to follow).
 

Gabeed

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Although the concept of female space squirrels forming relationships with the zebra mussels of Lake Michigan is a reality, I'd like this concept to addressed, in an open and frank manner, without the thinly-veiled insults of THE KINDERGÄRTNERS who inhabit this thread. Any doubt, caution, or concern expressed regarding the mating patterns of rodents and bivalves under an ancient glacial lake will be seen as it is--a close-minded attempt by the mainstream to make me and my theories appear silly. Why aren't people willing to hear alternate theories?
 

Montana Smith

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Gabeed said:
Although the concept of female space squirrels forming relationships with the zebra mussels of Lake Michigan is a reality, I'd like this concept to addressed, in an open and frank manner, without the thinly-veiled insults of THE KINDERGÄRTNERS who inhabit this thread. Any doubt, caution, or concern expressed regarding the mating patterns of rodents and bivalves under an ancient glacial lake will be seen as it is--a close-minded attempt by the mainstream to make me and my theories appear silly. Why aren't people willing to hear alternate theories?

I'm still listening. I'd like to see more evidence. I think Nurhachi may have actual photographs of the mating rituals of the rodents and bivalves.
 

Gabeed

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"I'd like to see more evidence?" See, this is what is so terribly wrong with our culture today. No one is willing to get out of the library and do any research for themselves. Instead they blindly memorize that which has been taught to them, or ask others for information, when they could be opening their minds to alternate theories, and going out in the field to make completely valid and well-thought out hypotheses. All I'm asking is that you question everything, but the INFANTILE inhabitants of the thread refuse to do that.

I will look into Nurhachi and his obtaining of zebra mussel porn, though. It's sure to be intriguing.
 

Attila the Professor

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Now, now, fellas. Whether you're trying to turn people away from a discussion for not playing by your own invented rules as though the thread is your personal property or engaging in a rather elaborate parody of another Ravener that you know is not going to persuade the parodied of anything, you're probably doing something wrong. (There's also a pretty good chance you're running afoul of standard operating procedure if you persist in posting two or three posts in succession as though it were not possible to respond to multiple people in a single post.)

Play nice. Just because you're all more than literate doesn't mean you aren't being insulting.
 

Montana Smith

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Attila the Professor said:
Play nice. Just because you're all more than literate doesn't mean you aren't being insulting.

That's the very crux of the matter. It appears that it isn't possible to debate in this thread with the original poster, since any alternate theories or expressions of doubt are met with the accusation of childishness or adherence to mainstream conspiracy.

Diplomacy didn't work. The only thing that would appear to work would be asking questions without a hint of doubt.

The promised "knowledge of alien reality" (as if that would be something we wouldn't already have heard about through other means) is not forthcoming.
 

Matt deMille

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Montana Smith said:
That's the very crux of the matter. It appears that it isn't possible to debate in this thread with the original poster, since any alternate theories or expressions of doubt are met with the accusation of childishness or adherence to mainstream conspiracy.

Diplomacy didn't work. The only thing that would appear to work would be asking questions without a hint of doubt.

The promised "knowledge of alien reality" (as if that would be something we wouldn't already have heard about through other means) is not forthcoming.

For the sake of others, let me say this: One of the first things Gabeed said in this thread was, and I quote: "I don't know how you feel like you can elicit any response but laughter with gems like this" And Montana Smith's first words were "There is no hard evidence".

I gave Montana the benefit of the doubt. At least he wasn't insulting, at first. But both these guys quickly degenerated into name-calling. Debates are built with maturity and open-minds. "There is no hard evidence" pretty much says there's no point in talking to people like that. Now, if the words were something more like "I've never seen any hard evidence, but I'd like to, can you show me?" I might have been willing to go further and say more. Bottom line, Gabeed and Montana Smith are immature hypocrites. "It appears that it isn't possible to debate in this thread with the original poster, since any alternate theories or expressions of doubt are met with the accusation of childishness or adherence to mainstream conspiracy" indeed. Um, you guys started the insults and accusations, not me.

So, for the benefit of other readers in this thread, I'll say it again: Doubt is good. I'd love to exchange info. I'd love to offer more info, facts, whatever. But only so long as the person is willing to objectively look at it. So, regardless of what guys like Montana want to say about "can't have doubts", I say rubbish. Doubt is fine. Cynicism is not.

I understand this material is difficult to accept. Doubt is welcome. But being so difficult to accept, a case must be built. I put forward theories, and intended to follow with facts. But before the facts were given due-process the name-calling and close-minded games began. Gabeed and Montana derail a thread with immature behavior and then wonder when it goes nowhere? Well, I'm happy to continue to build the case, back my theories, and offer evidence, but it IS a building process. Like I said, it's difficult to accept, so it must proceed slowly. I don't just come outright and say mind-blowing things, you have to work up to them. Human comprehension has limits which must be stretched, like working muscles (and yes, compared to the full story, things like aliens building pyramids are not mind-blowing, just academic).
 
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Attila the Professor

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Matt, could you possibly put some of your facts forward? Because thus far you're mostly just posting about the thread and the other people in it. You're not going to get anyone to engage with you this way; you're just going to keep scaring people off. And if you're looking for childishness, "he started it!" is a pretty good direction to look in.

So - can we drop the persecuted stance and just engage with the issues? I think if you give people some credit and just come out with it instead of trying to build up to some big reveal, you'll make this much more pleasant for all of us.
 

Matt deMille

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Certainly, Attila. And you're right. I admit I've been part of the problem. Thank you for setting me straight.

As for facts, certainly. Please bring up a topic, any topic to elaborate on, be they ones I've mentioned or anything else pertaining to ancient aliens. Chances are I can offer up some interesting data.
 
Matt deMille said:
Please bring up a topic, any topic to elaborate on, be they ones I've mentioned or anything else pertaining to ancient aliens. Chances are I can offer up some interesting data.
Have you been visited by aliens, sentient beings from another planet?
 

Matt deMille

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'm probably breaking my own rules and offering "too much too fast", but in light of Attila's pointing out how I've added to a problem, I'll offer these up out of good will. I do, however, ask this: While earlier threads were based on others' work, this is a personal account of my own, and as such it is a sensitive issue. It took me twenty years to even speak of any of it to anyone. Please be respectful.

I have had indeed had Close Encounters of the 1st, 3rd and 4th kinds.

1st kind: On numerous occasions, I have (with witnesses) seen the typical "lights in the sky". Different witnesses, different dates. One was a golden ball that zigzagged through the sky. Another was a streak of light too fat and too slow to be a shooting star, meteor or any other "normal" celestial phenomena. One witness was an astro-physicist (graduate from West Point, with honors) and she couldn't explain this either.

3rd kind: On many different dates, many different houses, I have seen entities clearly not of this world. I do NOT claim to be an abductee. Only a witness. Nor do I believe these were "extra-terrestrials" (although that's certainly possible). Just that these were not human and from "somewhere else". I believe the veil between dimensions is easily lifted. It's like our brains are radios and we can tune into different frequencies, different realities. Sometimes by accident. Or maybe these things WANTED to be seen, I don't know. All I remember is seeing them, fearing them, having my psyche ripped open by them, and often times fainting. However, I will never forget those eyes. I have, later in life, had a gun to my head, seen people die, and been in various other "see your life" moments, and they did little to faze me. That's not "tough talk", either. That's a testament to the degree to which these earlier experiences of seeing these entities had on me. Once you've looked into alien eyes, there's nothing else that compares. It's cerebral overload, and the 3-dimensional mundane world pales in comparison to it.

4th kind: In 2nd grade I disappeared. Literally. In the middle of the schoolyard I vanished for 3 hours. Over a hundred adults combed the grounds and could not find me. What's more, when I WAS found, it was in the middle of the search zone, which was a very sparely wooded area (line of sight was easily a hundred feet and there was little to no undergrowth). Furthermore, my skin was blue from the cold, yet I was wearing a thick (sports) jacket and it was May (the school principal and my brother found me, and they were both wearing shorts and T's because it was a warm day). I only remembered fragments of this story until it was told to me by my family. Later, I checked records (including police reports) and they back it up. I disappeared -- seemingly into thin air -- for hours, in a small area, and hundreds of people could not find me. I don't have any recollection what happened during those hours. To me it seemed like ten minutes. The phenomena of "missing time" associated with UFOs seemed likely, but I did undergo regression years later and did not recall anything. I'm totally left in the dark about this one.

These are the nutshell versions. Let me know if I should elaborate on any of them.

While I do not know if any of these beings were aliens from another planet, they certainly were not from here. Extra-terrestrial, extra-dimensional, the unknown -- Conventional science says none of it is real. Thus, if any one IS real (and they certainly are to me, I've seen 'em!), then all other "impossibilities" must be put back on the table as a possibility. I lean towards extra-terrestrial intervention for ancient works simply due to their seeming obsession with the stars (and by extension, outer space). If extra-dimensional beings built something, would outer space have any more meaning to them than to us? Maybe, but maybe not. It's 50/50. But since most if not all ancient enigmas of structure seem to point to the stars, I'm playing the odds that any non-human intervention was due to extra-terrestrial beings who thus came FROM the stars, rather than extra-dimensional ones.
 
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Matt deMille said:
'm probably breaking my own rules and offering "too much too fast", but in light of Attila's pointing out how I've added to a problem, I'll offer these up out of good will.
Thanks for being so candid, it should only help to illuminate.


I'm curious about your educational background. What notable schools have you attended/graduated?
 

Matt deMille

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I admit, my schooling is in entertainment, not science. I have a Master's Degree from the AFI. Sure, as an entertainer some may look with doubt upon my ability to study science, but there's no reason the two aren't interchangeable. After all, Carl Segan began writing fiction (like Contact) and did quite well at it.
 
Matt deMille said:
I admit, my schooling is in entertainment, not science. I have a Master's Degree from the AFI. Sure, as an entertainer some may look with doubt upon my ability to study science, but there's no reason the two aren't interchangeable. After all, Carl Segan began writing fiction (like Contact) and did quite well at it.
No need for apologies. Hopefully you won' take this the wrong way, have you ever ingested a mind altering substance. If so, how often?
 

Matt deMille

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Don't worry, it's well taken.

I've never had any mind-altering substances. I've never smoked anything, not even cigarettes. I didn't even have alcohol until age 32, and even today I'm a very light drinker (I just don't have the taste for it). When I do drink, it takes a LOT to effect me. My favorite is (of course) Dan Aykroyd's Crystal Head Vodka. In one hour I downed 12 shots of the stuff (it's 80 proof). It took until shot 5 for me to feel anything at all and I was still able to dance after 10. And 6 hours later, when I woke up from sleep, I had zero hangover. In fact the first thing I did was go to the gym for a 2-hour workout.

I went through a battery of psychological tests for years around age 25, and a dozen psychiatrists all said I passed with flying colors, that these were memories and not inventions, conscious or unconscious.

I keep in gold health. I eat healthy and workout regularly. I have friends who are the opposite, and firmly believe that, seeing the results, that mental stability, temper and intellectual capacity are greatly influenced by what we eat and how much we exercise. The brain is electrified chemicals after all, so when we give it more vitamins and positive chemicals (such as endorphins released when working out) it tends to function better. I need less sleep than most people, my metabolism is fast, and I've even beaten asthma this way. I also get a lot of sunlight too for Vitamin D.

So, there's about zero chance that mind-altering drugs or anything like that influenced my stories. Plus, these stories have not changed (many different individuals have kept records) over decades. The lack of change in the tale over time must be the result of it being memory, and objective reality, not a fantasy.
 

Matt deMille

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Don't worry, I'm not offended. Tough questions need to be asked. I know my story is hard to swallow so if I were you I'd be checkin the foundations too.

Anyway, no mental illness. My family is pretty level-headed. My father was a career firefighter and my mother a legal secretary. My grandmother is still alive at age 90. My other grandparents died early. One was a WWII Normandy vet who drank himself to death, one died of cancer, and one died of Parkinson's disease, but that's about it as far as disease. Not much heritage of mental illness though.
 
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