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Montana Smith

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Stoo said:
Unfortunately, my 'evidence' is in a box in storage far, far away. That said, I don't need to provide proof. Just watch "Revenge of the Sith" and "The Clone Wars". You'll see!:gun:
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What, seek out revisionist works? Heresy!

Incom Corporation T-65 X-Wing Space Superiority Fighter - The X-wing is among the most advanced single-pilot starfighter ever produced. The starfighter receives its name from its double-layered wings, which separate into an "X" formation during combat to increase the craft's field of fire. Each wing is armed with a high-powered laser cannon and accurate proton torpedo launchers. Although the X-wing is designed for just one pilot and no passengers, the X-wing jockey is never truly alone thanks to the astromech socket located behind the cockpit. One of the X-wing's greatest assets is its durability: the fighter's reinforced titanium alloy hull, deflector shield projectors, and transparisteel canopy ensure that it can withstand several hits without suffering serious damage. The X-wing's history is nearly as important as its capabilities. Designed by Incom Corporation in the early days of the Empire, the X-wing schematics found their way into Rebel hands when several Incom engineers defected to the Alliance. The Rebels began producing the X-wings in modest numbers and the vehicle has quickly become one the most important weapons in the Alliance arsenal.
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Koensayr BTL-S3 Y-Wing Attack Starfighter - Prior to the advent of the X-wing, the Y-wing served as the Rebel Alliance's primary attack starfighter. The snub fighter, characterized by its triangular cockpit and two long engine pylons was considered outdated by the time of the Battle of Yavin, but its durability and heavy-firepower has ensured it a place in Alliance fleet. While the Alliance relies on the Y-wing for everything from escort duty to reconnaissance, the starfighter was originally designed for close-quarters combat with space stations and large starships. Light bombing runs and surgical strikes are also part of the Y-wing's mission profile. The starfighter's modular weapons emplacements allow it to be upgraded easily, yet another reason for its continued success. While the Rebel Alliance maintains the largest fleet of active Y-wings, the starfighters are also in heavy use by criminal organizations, mercenary groups, pirates, and privateers.
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Stoo said:
Here I am debating "Star Wars" on an Indy board.:eek:
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It could be worse.

Much worse.

You could be discussing disco!
 
Stoo

Stoo

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in the early days of the Empire
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Mr. Smiff, you just shot yourself in the foot.:gun: Here is where the debate crumbles, like a pile of prairie dog dust in the wind.;)
 
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Montana Smith

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Stoo said:
Mr. Smiff, you just shot yourself in the foot.:gun: Here is where the debate crumbles, like a pile of prairie dog dust in the wind.;)
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That is, designed after all the sleek Naboo craft and whatnot. They were a product after all the Clone Wars shenanigans. The Empire was formed at the end of Revenge of the Sith, when Tarkin began building his big disco ball. :whip:
 
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Montana Smith

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Mitchellhallock said:
Not the disco references again:(
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Death by Disco.

Disco dancing was an Imperial enforcement, aided by a lack of bathrooms.

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Rocket Surgeon

Rocket Surgeon

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Stoo said:
Those are good videos, Rocket. Thanks for bringing attention to them, otherwise, I'd never have known.:hat: Coincidentally, the guy who made them subscribed to my YouTube channel about 2 weeks ago.
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As entertaining as entertaining can be...a great piece of work!

Regarding the XWing issue, my impression was that the X-wings were state of the art, back when they were first made. However what the Rebellion was able to get their hands on were patched together from a scrap yard.
 
JRJENNINGS86

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im going to throw this idea out.... i love the Force Unleashed, since the character Starkiller was designed and voiced from Sam Witwer..... i think The Force Unleashed should be turned into a Live Action adaptation.... maybe not a movie but perhaps a mini series? thats my day dream:hat:
 
kongisking

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JRJENNINGS86 said:
im going to throw this idea out.... i love the Force Unleashed, since the character Starkiller was designed and voiced from Sam Witwer..... i think The Force Unleashed should be turned into a Live Action adaptation.... maybe not a movie but perhaps a mini series? thats my day dream:hat:
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I did love the story of Force Unleashed. Gameplay, not so much.
 
JRJENNINGS86

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the story is very well done. i like that George Lucas was on board with it too. i read an interview of the TFU writer and he said that presenting the story to Gerogre was scary for him. once Geroge heard it he was all about it pitching some of his ideas that he always wanted to use but did not have room for. Knowing that it was Vader who basicaly started the Rebal Alliance is awesome too.
 
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dr.jones1986

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Montana Smith said:
"Your lack of faith is..."

I have loads of official Lucasfilm guides to Star Wars, and they all say the same thing. The X-Wing was top of the line. In at least one report the Incom T-65 was a secret project that was snatched away from under Imperial noses, and handed to the Rebellion.

Their design was intended to reflect World War II fighter aircraft, and in The Complete Making of Star Wars there is a bit about the X-folding wings opening up like a western gunfighter drawing his revolver.

It's a paradox that thirty years before A New Hope starfighters were much sleaker than the later clunky TIE fighters and X-Wings. By rights they ought to have been more like Fash Gordon rocket ships - but that wouldn't likely sell well to a young audience who wanted all things futuristic, even though it was all "a long time ago".

Filming prequels a long time after the original brings with it a natural problem: real-life often outpaces imagination. (As with the cathode ray tube screens in Alien and Aliens...)

It's just another thing that sets the prequels apart from the original trilogy. Something that jars (no pun intended).
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Exactly, the Rebel ships are supposed to be cutting edge but vastly outnumbered by the inferior Tie Fighters who attack in swarms. The only reason the Rebel ships look beat up is because they cannot afford to worry about aesthetics like the Empire can. They have to worry about practicality not pomp and circumstance.

In fact in TCU2 the Rebels still do not have X-Wings and that game is supposed to be like a year before ANH.

I heard Lucas liken the period of the Galactic civil war to WW2, where things are gritter and less based on beauty. He mentioned the period prior to the Empire as being like the Victorian age where things were less functional and more about style. The Clone Wars is sort of like the middle ground. That is when starships become more rugged and less sleek. They are more about functionality. The pre clone wars naboo starfighter is much sleeker than the Jedi starfighters, V-Wing and ARC-190 starfighters (the precursor to the X-Wing).

The X-Wing is easily the best all around fighter during the Galactic Civil War. The Y-Wing kind of gets a bad rap but its actually really effective for its role. A great bomber and assault craft. What it lacks in agility it more than makes up for in toughness.
 
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dr.jones1986

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Montana Smith said:
"Your lack of faith is..."

I have loads of official Lucasfilm guides to Star Wars, and they all say the same thing. The X-Wing was top of the line. In at least one report the Incom T-65 was a secret project that was snatched away from under Imperial noses, and handed to the Rebellion.

Their design was intended to reflect World War II fighter aircraft, and in The Complete Making of Star Wars there is a bit about the X-folding wings opening up like a western gunfighter drawing his revolver.

It's a paradox that thirty years before A New Hope starfighters were much sleaker than the later clunky TIE fighters and X-Wings. By rights they ought to have been more like Fash Gordon rocket ships - but that wouldn't likely sell well to a young audience who wanted all things futuristic, even though it was all "a long time ago".

Filming prequels a long time after the original brings with it a natural problem: real-life often outpaces imagination. (As with the cathode ray tube screens in Alien and Aliens...)

It's just another thing that sets the prequels apart from the original trilogy. Something that jars (no pun intended).
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Exactly, the Rebel ships are supposed to be cutting edge but vastly outnumbered by the inferior Tie Fighters who attack in swarms. The only reason the Rebel ships look beat up is because they cannot afford to worry about aesthetics like the Empire can. They have to worry about practicality not pomp and circumstance.

In fact in TCU2 the Rebels still do not have X-Wings and that game is supposed to be like a year before ANH.

I heard Lucas liken the period of the Galactic civil war to WW2, where things are gritter and less based on beauty. He mentioned the period prior to the Empire as being like the Victorian age where things were less functional and more about style. The Clone Wars is sort of like the middle ground. That is when starships become more rugged and less sleek. They are more about functionality. The pre clone wars naboo starfighter is much sleeker than the Jedi starfighters, V-Wing and ARC-190 starfighters (the precursor to the X-Wing).

The X-Wing is easily the best all around fighter during the Galactic Civil War. The Y-Wing kind of gets a bad rap but its actually really effective for its role. A great bomber and assault craft. What it lacks in agility it more than makes up for in toughness.
 
Dr Bones

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Just watched an episode of the CGI Clone Wars and it wasn't half bad for a kids show.

It was the fist time I have seen it and by coincidence the epsisode I happned to watch had what looked like a Crystal Skull in a trophy room.

Apparently there are other Indy relics such as the staff of Ra and the Ark in other episodes.

Cheesey but a nice nod to Indy.
 
Rocket Surgeon

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Sci-Fi Scandal! Second Sy Snootles Speaks, Claims Lucas Was Keeping Company With First Snoot

One of the more curious points uncovered by our research for said article concerned the timeline of the two most famous Lapti Nek recordings: While Internet resources generally suggest that the Michele Gruska Club Mix of the song was recorded and released after Lucasfilm lost the master tapes of the Annie Arbogast version actually heard in the film, several behind-the-scenes videos that predate Jedi's completion (all easily found on YouTube) clearly feature variations of the Gruska recording.

If Lucasfilm already had a couple different takes of Lapti Nek under their belt by Gruska, including the widely released Club Mix, why did they drop Arbogast's version into Jedi's final cut? No disrespect to Annie, her Lapti Nek is spunky and classic, and she also wrote those delightfully wacky Huttese lyrics, but she was just an in-house sound engineer for Lucasfilm whereas Gruska was apparently an independently contracted professional session musician. An e-mail to Lucasfilm yielded no help ("I apologize, but I do not know the answer to that," wrote PR person Amy). Intellectual curiosity growing by the minute, we tracked Michele Gruska down (via Facebook, of course) to see if she could drop some knowledge. Did she ever!

"I auditioned [in Los Angeles] to sing for Return of the Jedi, then they asked me to sing Lapti Nek for the Jabba The Hutt scene," wrote Gruska (pictured, left), who currently works as a vocal coach in California. "It was both another day's work and challenging on two counts, one, learning this new made-up language on the spot was not too easy, [and] two, it was unnerving singing for [20th Century Fox music supervisor] Lionel Newman, THE John Williams, and George Lucas."

Gruska got the job and, ecstatic, shuttled to San Francisco to record the final version(s) of Lapti Nek some time before Return of the Jedi was completed. So how did Annie Arbogast's Lapti Nek, which can be assumed was merely a scratch track before Gruska was hired, wind up in the final cut?

"My version was definitely going in the scene," remembers Gruska. "But unfortunately at the time the rumor was Anne was keeping company with George Lucas." Oh well.

Scandalous, if true! Perhaps that explains why the Arbogast master tapes were mysteriously lost and why George later digitally scrubbed Lapti Nek out of every post-1997 Jedi release. Maybe the affair ended badly. On the other hand, there's just as much reason to believe absolutely nothing ever went on between George and Annie in a non-professional capacity. Maybe George just thought Annie sounded more like an alien than Michele Gruska, so he put the former in the movie and saved the latter for the commercial vinyl releases (where polished, professional singing counts for more). Shame on you, Kevin Burns, for missing this subplot in your otherwise great Empire of Dreams documentary.

But I kid the Schenectady-born director who also helmed Behind the Planet of the Apes. The tales of Carrie Fisher partying all night with Harrison Ford and big handfuls of yay on the set of Empire Strikes Back are admittedly leagues more interesting than any canoodling that went on between the Supreme Beard and one of his underlings. Still, if either party wishes to come forward and refute (or confirm!) this wild accusation made by Michele Gruska, by all means hit us up. This story is sort of the Schwartzenegger love child deal of the Star Wars universe.
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Rocket Surgeon

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Stoo said:
Wo...it was explicitly stated that the X-wings & Y-wings were old, outdated ships! (Can't recall the source, sorry.)
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This is my recollection as well.

They might have been top of the line in their day but the kind of X-Wing Luke was flying was a "used model."
 
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Rocket Surgeon said:
This is my recollection as well.

They might have been top of the line in their day but the kind of X-Wing Luke was flying was a "used model."
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Indeed. If one looks closely at the ILM models, there are bits & pieces which are not white (ex. yellow & light blue/gray) which suggests they were patched together with spare parts.
Montana Smith said:
I have loads of official Lucasfilm guides to Star Wars, and they all say the same thing. The X-Wing was top of the line. In at least one report the Incom T-65 was a secret project that was snatched away from under Imperial noses, and handed to the Rebellion.
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Poorly researched 'fan fiction' nonsense with the word "official" stamped onto it.:sick:
dr.jones1986 said:
Exactly, the Rebel ships are supposed to be cutting edge but vastly outnumbered by the inferior Tie Fighters who attack in swarms. The only reason the Rebel ships look beat up is because they cannot afford to worry about aesthetics like the Empire can. They have to worry about practicality not pomp and circumstance.
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What the rebels "cannot afford" is a fleet of brand new, cutting edge, top-of-the-line, fighters. (At least, that was the story back in the late '70s.;)) Even the snowspeeders were originally planned to be modified, Y-wing cockpits because the idea was that the rebels didn't have enough cash to buy new ships.
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In fact in TCU2 the Rebels still do not have X-Wings and that game is supposed to be like a year before ANH.
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Just because they didn't have X-wings a year before "A New Hope" doesn't necessarily mean those fighters were the latest & greatest. After being crippled so badly, the Alliance must have acquired some outdated fighters out of sheer desepration.
 
JRJENNINGS86

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there wouldn't be an aliance with out Starkiller. he didnt need no spaceship. i imagine if givne the chance, he could have crushed the Death Star with a snap of his finger. Luke is a wimp compared to Starkiller.
 
Henry W Jones

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JRJENNINGS86 said:
there wouldn't be an aliance with out Starkiller. he didnt need no spaceship. i imagine if givne the chance, he could have crushed the Death Star with a snap of his finger. Luke is a wimp compared to Starkiller.
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Starkiller is fun in a game but come on. Anakin has more "medichlorians" than Yoda and doesn't rip stardestroyers out of the sky. You have to amp things up for game play. But really? Starkillers the most powerful Jedi ever? That's kinda what the game implies if you compare ability levels to the movies. I like the character but comparing a movie character to one that has only appeared in EU is like comparing apples and oranges. Plus going off EU, Lukes no chump in the books after ROTJ.
 
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