Mickiana said:Indy never seems happy about the demise of the villians. At times he seems upset or disturbed. He's a strange character. He will dish out death when he has to, but he seems at least a little bit affected by the death of opponents.
Well, Indy doesn't feel remorse when he blows away truckloads of Nazis in Last Crusade. His dad is shocked, but it's just another day at the office for Indy. He really only seems to feel remorse when it's a big/major bad guy like the chief temple guard or Donovan. Someone closer to his own ability and/or character. He sees his own potential fate when one of his close rivals meets an end.keylan said:Thats what makes Indy such a great hero. He only kills when he has no other option, but does feel remorse for the loss of life at his hands. Only a stone cold killer would feel other wise.
They needed the kids to be hard workers, not sleepy drones. If Shorty was under the black sleep, he couldn't dig as much.chr0n0naut said:If they could convert Shorty why didn't they?
Not at all. Far too aware and in control. He was the mastermind.michael said:Any opinions on whether or not Chattar Lal was under the black sleep of Kali?
goodeknight said:Not at all. Far too aware and in control. He was the mastermind.
TheMutt92 said:It is possible for Mola Ram to be under the black sleep and to also be in control. My explanation would be just that he's been under it long enough that it is who he is, and not the zombie state Indy is in.
Henry W Jones said:I have always looked at it as the bad guys are just that..... Bad Guys. And they use the blood on unwilling participants who get in the way. I'm sure the novel says otherwise. I haven't read it since Doom was in theaters. Me though, I like to think that at least Mola Ram and Lal are just some bad dudes with some serious anger issues.
As far as Shorty, I always got the impression the children were used as slaves until old enough to become useful followers. The maharajah needed to be controlled so was turned at a early age.
chr0n0naut said:I've just read the novelisation of ToD and it descibes Mola Ram as "looking as though he'd just come out of a nightmare" a second before he plummets to his death (after his hand is burned with the final Shankara stone). Indy even feels sorry for him.
I totally disagree with this point of view for a reason nobody has mentioned thus far. Mola Ram doesn't snap back to reality while holding the flaming heart (and in the wide shot, there is a lot of flame). Surely, that would have woken him up!Mickiana said:I believe Mola Ram was under the black sleep of the Kali. But it seems that when he got burned by the Sankara stone he came out of the sleep, but then unfortunately fell to his death.
Stoo said:BUMP.
I totally disagree with this point of view for a reason nobody has mentioned thus far. Mola Ram doesn't snap back to reality while holding the flaming heart (and in the wide shot, there is a lot of flame). Surely, that would have woken him up!
that is what i thought , mola ram is magical !!!! wooooo !The Drifter said:Damn good point, Stoo! But perhaps the same 'power' that granted him the ability to extract hearts also protected him from said magical flame?
Or perhaps Mola wasn't under the Black Sleep at all. That is a much simpler explanation and it makes more sense (despite what is written in the novel about him waking up from a nightmare when being burned by the stone).The Drifter said:Damn good point, Stoo! But perhaps the same 'power' that granted him the ability to extract hearts also protected him from said magical flame?
Stoo said:I can appreciate the fact that the authour, James Kahn, tried to inject/suggest something deeper into Mola Ram's character but [..]
The blazing stones sear Mola Ram's flesh and he screams in pain. The light suddenly dies in his eyes and for one instant he looks at Indy as if awakened from a nightmare --
Mola Ram loses his balance and Indy grabs for the stones. He manages to clutch only one of them as Mola Ram screams and falls!
Mickiana said:I believe Mola Ram was under the black sleep of the Kali. But it seems that when he got burned by the Sankara stone he came out of the sleep, but then unfortunately fell to his death. A classic tale of tragedy. He brought about his own downfall, in this case, literally. Tragedy is also about avoiding redemption, hence he meets his doom even after he is released from the evil spell of the Kali. I will go as far as theorising that the same thing happened to the giant thugee guard. When Indy wacks him with a saw, the big fella drops the rock on his own head and this appears to wake him from his sleep. Fire may not be the only trauma that can do this. Unfortunately, by this time his sash has been snagged by the rock crusher and he has to carry on the path that he decided on - to his doom and paying for his evil ways with his life. These tales of tragedy seem to me to be the center point of the whole story while Indy is almost an unwitting pawn being thrown around in a game. Of course he has his own motivations and creates many consequences through his actions.
Mickiana said:That's a point, but we don't know if they willingly drank the blood or were forced to. In the end, I think the whole being under the spell of the kali is a metaphor for having given up choice, or at least thinking there wasn't any choice left open to them. Who was the first to drink the blood of the Kali? Was it deliberate or unwitting? I will wager that it was a choice to go down a certain path, at least in its origins. People under the spell of the kali are like zombies and zombies are people who are largely unconscious, who have become automatons of their own desires or someone else's.
Stoo said:Or perhaps Mola wasn't under the Black Sleep at all. That is a much simpler explanation and it makes more sense (despite what is written in the novel about him waking up from a nightmare when being burned by the stone).
lndianaJones said:In the novel it is described just as it was in the movie "Mola Ram held the heart high: still beating, dripping blood, it began to smoke. Then it, too, burst into flame. And then it disappeared." I just read the book to my daughter as her bed-time story. She loved it.