Marion, Willie or Elsa?

Choose, but choose wisely


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Brooke Logan

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I like all of Indy's girls, but my favorite is a toss between Marion and Willie but I choose Willie because I have a soft spot for underdogs.:)

I think she's badly misunderstood.

I like that she's a working woman, has the guts to go out of the country and pursue her dreams, the bond she, Indy and Short Round form, and the humor she provides.

She's also gorgeous and a good person.

I want Willie to return for the next film! Preferably with Short Round. I liked the idea of them sticking together after Temple.
 

Finn

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Palaceslave_82 said:
Yes! Let the Willie appreciation commence!
They say it's a healthy habit. But still not something to do or allude to in public.
 

Mickiana

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"Shanghai slapper"!!! Now that is a term I could not use where I live. Many Chinese immigrants have settled in my suburb to the point it's called China Town! It would be taken the wrong way (when talking about Willie of course).
 

foreverwingnut

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Which Indy babe is it?

Karen Allen was a fun, balsy actress and the filmmakers loved her so much that they considered- for a moment- keeping Marion in all the films. Marion, though, even in the fourth installment, just comes across as very childish I think. So would she be the one I'd want for my own? Nope. Kate Capshaw, in my opinion, was the most versatile of the Indy starlets and was a shinig light in a very dark film. Willie, though, is spoiled, so I'd have to pass. Now, Elsa- there's an awesome dame! Allison Doody, I think, was the prettiest of the Indy starlets, so that's one point for Elsa. A blonde bombshell to behold and actually got prettier with age. Also, let's face it, she was an equal to Indy in almost every way. Elsa was very young to have such an impressive degree in archeology, even younger than Indy when he first enrolled at Chicago. Yet, she became a star in the field much faster than Indy. She is a brave adventurer, asking to be the first one into the catacombs in search of Sir Richard. Her devotion to the Reich was only superficial in that she was Austrian, but her tears for the book-burning showed her indifference to Hitler's cause. Indy, too, felt an overpowering lust for the Grail- a lust that was Elsa's undoing and might well have been Indy's if not for his father. Elsa clearly was in love with Indy and I like to think she might have redeemed herself had she survived. So, my vote is for Elsa as the best Indy babe.
 

Vance

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qwerty said:
Do you people realy believe that if Elsa was real and she lived in todays world she would be a Nazi.
Imagine that. Elsa is real Austrian woman. She is realy after the grail. She has a job and a life. Everything that happens in the world has the same influence on her like on anybody else. Now the question is: Is she a nazi?
I don't think so.

Avoiding the obvious political jokes... Elsa is the kind of woman that would gladly side with any evil in the world if there was opportunity in it. She's not a sadistic evil person, but she is evil in the sense that her moral compass broke off years ago.

There's some good left in her, but it's deeply buried, with her affection for Indiana mired in her 'femme fatale' role - and it even took the shooting of Henry Sr. just for some of a more just nature to really show through.

She was a true Nazi, and not just a characature of one. She was a Nazi because it was convienient for her to be one, just like many of the party leaders. In the end, she never even betrayed the Nazis... just Donovan, who had already admitted he was using them too.

Edit: And I completely and utterly necroed this without realizing it. Sorries, all!
 
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Montana Smith

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Vance said:
Avoiding the obvious political jokes... Elsa is the kind of woman that would gladly side with any evil in the world if there was opportunity in it. She's not a sadistic evil person, but she is evil in the sense that her moral compass broke off years ago.

There's some good left in her, but it's deeply buried, with her affection for Indiana mired in her 'femme fatale' role - and it even took the shooting of Henry Sr. just for some of a more just nature to really show through.

She was a true Nazi, and not just a characature of one. She was a Nazi because it was convienient for her to be one, just like many of the party leaders. In the end, she never even betrayed the Nazis... just Donovan, who had already admitted he was using them too.

I wouldn't see her that way.

Indyland is scattered with obsessives driven by the need to acquire some artifact or other. They align themselves with the faction they imagine might assist them best.

Belloq despised Hitler and his Nazis, which is made especially evident in the novelization:

"A museum piece." Belloq spoke with obvious contempt, staring across the room at the German. How little they know, he thought. How little they understand of history. They put their faith in all the wrong things: they build their monumental arches and parade their strutting armies-failing to realize you cannot deliberately create the awe of history. It is something that already exists, something you cannot aspire to fabricate with the trappings of grandeur. The Ark: the very thought or the possibility of discovering the Ark made him impatient. Why did he have to speak with this miserable little German house painter, anyhow?

Belloq used the Nazis for his own ends.

I see Elsa in the same situation, only her obsession is much more deeply entrenched than Belloq's. For Belloq the Ark is a quest propelled by ambition - just as it is for Indy. The fortune and glory of the goal itself.

With Elsa it's much more a need that she cannot deny. Whereas Belloq took full precautions (or so he thought) when opening the Ark, Elsa was incapable of detaching herself from the object that gripped her mind. She would follow that quest to the death because at that point in her life there was nothing else.

On top of that Elsa never displayed any material allegiance to the National Socialists. She wore no Party badge. She wasn't a member of the SS-Ahnenerbe. In the desert the fieldcap she wore was devoid of insignia.

It was no surprise that she put her trust in the Nazis. She was Austrian, as was Hitler. The Anschluß had taken place in March 1938. No doubt Hitler had sought out her expertise just as much as she'd sought his assistance in forming an expedition to find her Grail.
 

foreverwingnut

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MontanaSmith, my fedora is off to you. I had left an earlier post showing my bid for Elsa, so yesterday I tried to defend that bid with a new post. Unfortuantely, I failed and abandoned the post. I found it difficult to articulate that Elsa wasn't a willing Nazi stooge, but an opportunist- two differences that somehow didn't sound so different in print. You articulated that very idea so well. Your post has reinvigerated me to post a personal observation: Elsa was fresh out of academia and suddenly she is given a promising opportunity to find one of the most sought-after relics in history. She now had a chance to prove the myths. She now had a chance to shine in the archeological community. If any of us were Austrian in those days, fresh out of academia and hungry for discovery, would we turn our backs on such a golden opportunity? We know she never intended to hand the Grail over to Germany. After all, she kept the Grail diary close to her heart even though Donovan inteded it as a gift to Hitler. It's a matter of putting ourselves in a similar cituation to Elsa. The climax puts Indy in her position, when he, too, has the Grail nearly in his grasp, filling him with lust. Henry, Sr. felt the obsession of the Grail throughout his entire life nad his relationship with Junior tooke a backseat. I can honestly say that if I had the opportunity to steal the Holy Grail away from the Nazis by pretending to be a their stooge, I like to think I would at least try. "It belongs in a museum" as Indy might say. For whatever her deeper reasons might have been, Elsa was certainly playing a very courageous game of deception.
 
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Vance

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Montana Smith said:
I wouldn't see her that way.

I think you're making a couple of assumptions about the Nazis which are erroneous, because we can't seperate what we know of them now from what even most party-members knew and believed in 1937.

The war hadn't started. The final solution hadn't even been imagined. For most political observers, Churchill was considered a lunatic and Hitler a progressive force for Europe. Only a handful of people with foresight, or really learned the Great War's lessons, really could see what was happening.

This is why I said that Ilsa is a true Nazi character, and not one of the charicatures that we've seen in media since the war's onset. She used the party in precisely the way the party advertised itself to be used. She was also a high-ranking party member, hence her invitation to Hitler's rally. This was explicitly stated in the movie.

In other words, we're forgetting the Ilsa hadn't yet directly faced the evil of the Nazis just yet, because they haven't happened. She had no problems actually going to the rally, for instance, but was in tears once she was there. She was facing confliction with herself about her obsession, her loyalty, and her admirations to the "Jones Boys" who obviously really hated the side she had chosen.

As a literary device, she's a conflicted femme-fatale who must have her end in the story.

Belloq despised Hitler and his Nazis, which is made especially evident in the novelization:

Belloq saw the Nazis for what they were, but felt he could use them to further his own ambitions. He was the ultimate mercenary, as he himself admitted, and would stab them in the back the moment a better deal would come along. Note that when the Ark is found, the relationship between Vogel and Belloq reverses to where Belloq is clearly the man in charge...
 

Montana Smith

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Vance said:
I think you're making a couple of assumptions about the Nazis which are erroneous, because we can't seperate what we know of them now from what even most party-members knew and believed in 1937.

I'm not making any assumptions about the Nazis. I'm writing only about the way the characters are portrayed in the ficticious world of Indiana Jones.

Vance said:
The war hadn't started. The final solution hadn't even been imagined. For most political observers, Churchill was considered a lunatic and Hitler a progressive force for Europe. Only a handful of people with foresight, or really learned the Great War's lessons, really could see what was happening.

Churchill was touted as a warmonger for seeing the probable future of Europe.

Hitler was not considered a progressive force by those who suffered under his policies. The concentration camp at Dachau opened in 1933, the year Hitler became Chancellor. Within a few years it had a terrible reputation.

Mein Kampf was first published in 1925 and 1926. Hitler's intentions were clear. As were his actions against the Jews, Socialists, Communists, gypsies, the disabled.

On July 14, 1933, the German government instituted the “Law for the Prevention of Progeny with Hereditary Diseases.” This law called for the sterilization of all persons who suffered from diseases considered hereditary, including mental illness, learning disabilities, physical deformity, epilepsy, blindness, deafness, and severe alcoholism. With the law’s passage the Third Reich also stepped up its propaganda against the disabled, regularly labeling them “life unworthy of life” or “useless eaters” and highlighting their burden upon society.

http://www.ushmm.org/museum/exhibit/focus/disabilities/


The horrors of Nazi policy were not as hidden as some expect. They were open, which became a problem in 1936 when Germany hosted both the Summer and Winter Olympics.

People supported the NSDAP for a variety of reasons. For some it meant accepting the benefits and looking the other way when it came to the less palatable aspects. For others it was a genuine excuse to indulge in brutality.


Of course, Germany wasn't alone. Britain had it's own anti-semitism and even its own 'Crystal Night'. Yet in Germany the actions were sanctioned by the the will of the Government.

Vance said:
This is why I said that Ilsa is a true Nazi character, and not one of the charicatures that we've seen in media since the war's onset.

You mean 'Elsa', as opposed to 'Ilsa' (She-Wolf of the SS). There was no 'true' Nazi character. (Speak to Dr. Tyree on that subject).

'Caricatures' such as Major Toht existed. Monsters such as Oskar Dirlewanger. And there existed those who became more conflicted, such as Oskar Schindler, whom Spielberg celebrated in film. He was an opportunistic Nazi Party member before he turned to helping Jews escape.

Vance said:
She used the party in precisely the way the party advertised itself to be used. She was also a high-ranking party member, hence her invitation to Hitler's rally. This was explicitly stated in the movie.

Point me to the evidence that Elsa was a Party member, because I've looked and never found it.

Vance said:
In other words, we're forgetting the Ilsa hadn't yet directly faced the evil of the Nazis just yet, because they haven't happened.

You should really read some firsthand accounts of 1930s Germany before jumping to conclusions like that.


Vance said:
She had no problems actually going to the rally, for instance, but was in tears once she was there. She was facing confliction with herself about her obsession, her loyalty, and her admirations to the "Jones Boys" who obviously really hated the side she had chosen.

We know nothing of her loyalty to the Party, but we know much about her obsession with the Grail.

Vance said:
Note that when the Ark is found, the relationship between Vogel and Belloq reverses to where Belloq is clearly the man in charge...

You mean Dietrich. The situation there is clear. Belloq was the archaeological expert. Dietrich was the officer commanding the force protecting the find, who begrudgingly deferred certain repsonsibilities to the Frenchman.
 
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Marshall2288

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Montana, your posts are always a treat to read because it certainly appears you know your stuff on this one!

I voted Elsa cuz she's the hottest. Plain and simple.

But I'm glad there are people like you who vote and defend for other reasons.
 

Vance

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Montana Smith said:
Hitler was not considered a progressive force by those who suffered under his policies. The concentration camp at Dachau opened in 1933, the year Hitler became Chancellor. Within a few years it had a terrible reputation.

We could go on at length on this tangent, but the main reason Hitler and is regieme were able to do the things they did in the early 1930s is that no one wanted to believe the extremism. (There are many, many examples of this today...)

Simply put, It's amazing and horrifying what people will turn their blinders to when they, themselves, are comfortable. In Elsa's case, she was simply 'away' on her missions and quests for the Grail - easily enabling her to avoid confronting the evils of the regieme head on - until she was dragged to Berlin and saw it first hand. (Though, this is an anachronism, as the major book burning rallies would be a year or so later...)

People supported the NSDAP for a variety of reasons. For some it meant accepting the benefits and looking the other way when it came to the less palatable aspects. For others it was a genuine excuse to indulge in brutality.

As I said, people joined the party to get what the party promised them. While this is true of much of any political party, the Nazis really rewarded ambition to a much more blatant degree. This at once made them very powerful, and eventually irredemably evil.

There was no 'true' Nazi character. (Speak to Dr. Tyree on that subject).

I meant that Elsa was more realistic as a person than what we usually see in post-war features. Yes, there were monsters, and many of them, but the vast majority of Germans were not. Many simply found their place in the machine - willingly or no. The fact that Elsa was shown a little more sympathetically than most (but, really, only a little) doesn't really alleviate that she chose to be a Nazi. Though it may not have been a well informed choice.

Point me to the evidence that Elsa was a Party member, because I've looked and never found it.

She's in the 'party box' at Hitler's rally. You are not there if you're not a member of the party, and a respected one at that.

You should really read some firsthand accounts of 1930s Germany before jumping to conclusions like that.

I have, but perhaps I should have said "to the degree". Nazi Germany hadn't quite fallen into the moral abyss just yet, but it was clearly on its way. Most of the world was still in denial about what was happening (check out the NYT articles of the 1935-1937 period) and what was to come... This would, of course, change very quickly.

Really, at this point, there's more of a problem with the scenes in Venice in the movie. Musolinni's Italy wasn't exactly a welcome place to go adventuring, either...

You mean Dietrich. The situation there is clear. Belloq was the archaeological expert. Dietrich was the officer commanding the force protecting the find, who begrudgingly deferred certain repsonsibilities to the Frenchman.

Right, mixed up my stock-German-commanders there. But, yes, my point was just to illustrate that Belloq and Elsa weren't really the same sort of character.
 

Montana Smith

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Vance said:
In Elsa's case, she was simply 'away' on her missions and quests for the Grail - easily enabling her to avoid confronting the evils of the regieme head on - until she was dragged to Berlin and saw it first hand. (Though, this is an anachronism, as the major book burning rallies would be a year or so later...)

Book burnings date back to the May 1933 "Action against the Un-German Spirit" during which students held pro-Nazi demonstrations.

http://suite101.com/article/fighting-the-fires-of-hate-museum-exhibit-on-nazi-book-burning-a369790

...attendance at the book burning was mandatory. All who were personally invited and neglected to attend were penalized in various ways.

“This invitation to the book burning in Munich outlines the order of events: invitees ‘must arrive at the designated area at precisely 11 p.m. At 11 p.m. the torchlight procession of the entire Munich Students Association will be arriving. 1. The united bands will play parade music 2. The festivities will begin at 11 with the song "Brothers, Forward!" 3. Speech by the leader of the German Students Association Kurt Ellersiek 4. Burning of the nation-corrupting books and journals 5. Group sing-along of ... songs’. Landeshauptstadt München, Stadtarchiv”


Vance said:
She's in the 'party box' at Hitler's rally. You are not there if you're not a member of the party, and a respected one at that.

That's interesting, because I just looked at the stills from those scenes. And I've finally spotted the evidence that she was a Party Member!

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For once the props department didn't use the Gold version. I don't know if it's possible to read the legend on the badge, since there were very similar non-Party NSDAP supporter pins. Though the chances of one of those being used is highly unlikely.

It is significant, however, that she is only seen wearing the Party Badge when she's compelled to do so. Away from Hitler she doesn't wear it. Not even in Vogel's presence. Her association is for a specific reason, which has nothing to do with politics, but with opportunity. Hitler serves her need to claim the grail for herself.

Her material allegiance is confined only to the one specific occasion in the film where she couldn't be seen otherwise.


Vance said:
I have, but perhaps I should have said "to the degree". Nazi Germany hadn't quite fallen into the moral abyss just yet, but it was clearly on its way. Most of the world was still in denial about what was happening (check out the NYT articles of the 1935-1937 period) and what was to come... This would, of course, change very quickly.

The German State was deep in the moral abyss from the moment Hitler became chancellor. As he affirmed his grip on power and spread his influence and orders throughout every aspect of German life the people were in an almost impossible situation. Some made the best of it, some resisted as best they could, and some indulged their vices with newfound freedom.

As you say, many outside (and within) Germany were in denial of the real and impending situation.

The November 1938 edition of Homes and Gardens ran a feature on the Berghof:

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The article mentions Mein Kampf, but passes no judgement. It writes of the Berhof "set amid an unsophisticated peasantry". Class and anti-Communism feature heavily in the denial of the Hitler's mistreatment of his own people, and of those within the claimed territories before his invasion of Poland.

Compared to Belloq and Donovan, Elsa appears to be the least reprehensible and the most conflicted.

Belloq had a history of crossing moral boundaries, to whom murder was an acceptable option. Donovan was an early member of the Nazi Party. Elsa is obsessed to the point where the separation of right and wrong is almost impossible.


Just noticed the caption to the last picture: a tiny hint of anti-German sentiment leftover from the end of the Great War: Hitler's German Shepherd is referred to as an "Alsatian".
 
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foreverwingnut

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Elsa Schneider, the enigma.

Elsa is quite the enigma, giving us only subtle hints, but never any solid answers to the secrets she held in heart. As I've stated earlier, "she was playing a very dangerous game of deception", but it is easy to debate about the limits of that deception. In a very compelling presentation, Vance has brought to our attention that Elsa could never have been at the party rally had she not been an accepted member of the Nazi party. However, speaking for myself, Vance's evidence only compounds the enigma. Why does she weep at the book burning? Certainly as an archeologist she must feel the incredible loss of knowledge contained in the books, but is it something more universal? She told Indy, "I believe in the Grail, not the swastika.". This single line speaks volumes to my ears and tells me more about her true character while her actions purposely mislead us. The swastika was the symbol for the ideological blueprint for the New World Order- a symbol of repression, intolerance, and destruction and clearly Elsa was at odds with it. Henry Senior remarked, "The quest for the Grail is not about archeology, it's a race against evil. If it is captured by the Nazis, the armies of darkness will march all over the face of the earth.". Elsa most certainly believed this as well. She emphatically believed in the power of the Grail, for she knew that tricking Donovan into drinking from the false Grail would permanently remove him from the equation. As I stated earlier, Donovan sent the Grail diary to Berlin as a gift to Hitler, but Elsa denied it to the Fuhrer and kept it close to her own heart. Without the map that lead to the location of the Holy Grail, the diary was a useless curiosity to the Nazis, so why should she keep it? Because it was a symbol of a divine quest that she shared with the Jones boys and the Holy Crusaders- a recorded link to her fellow seekers. I think the ultimate truth in the enigma of Elsa's true desires are to be found in the subtleties of her words and her expressions that each of us can interpret in our own way. Allison Doody was such a superb actress that she toys with us. Her eyes show such great expressions of love, avarice, fear, joy- a roller coaster of emotions that created this enigma that we are all trying to decipher. She would be pleased to know that she gave us a unique quest of our own. Thank-you, Allison Doody.
 

Vance

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Montana Smith said:
Book burnings date back to the May 1933 "Action against the Un-German Spirit" during which students held pro-Nazi demonstrations.

I knew that they had them earlier, but I didn't think that the "festival rallies" (with Hitler making them a major party event) happened until shortly before the war itself. Consider me corrected. (That's why I come here. I learn things!)

That's interesting, because I just looked at the stills from those scenes. And I've finally spotted the evidence that she was a Party Member!

Her official bio has her as an 'up and coming star' of the Nazi party as well. But, really, even without the badge, the deference shown to her by the soldiers should have been a clue. :p

It is significant, however, that she is only seen wearing the Party Badge when she's compelled to do so. Away from Hitler she doesn't wear it. Not even in Vogel's presence.

She's a civilian operative, and a 'spy' at that (though I'll use the term a little loosely at this point). The Jones, by this point, have a staunch anti-Nazi reputation, so her wearing the pin through most of the movie would have just been dumb - which she is clearly not.

There's no real reluctance to join the Nazis for her, and she only once shows regret about it (though it is profound). The rest of the time, she was happily playing along with them, even when it included killing two men that she professed affection for.

Her material allegiance is confined only to the one specific occasion in the film where she couldn't be seen otherwise.

Other than Henry calling her one and Elsa's confirmation? :)

Like I said, the real problem is that most of the time Nazis are protrayed as either thugs or evil masterminds. We don't see too many of the conflicted characters that actually made up most of the Nazi ranks. Elsa was envisioned as the femme-fatale for Indy in this movie, but she was made more symathetic (probably to explain why Indiana would have a soft spot), adding a lot more depth than normal.

If the character had lived, she likely would have indeed defected at the war's onset, or would have suffered one of the early political 'purges'. Certainly she was in anguish about what she was seeing in Berlin, and it was pretty clear that she didn't want to be in Berlin. But she was not absolved of her sins, of course, which is why she died in a very pulp way, refusing to leave the treasure behind...

The German State was deep in the moral abyss from the moment Hitler became chancellor.

Keep in mind that I'm in no way saying the Nazis were ever a force for good. Clearly they were not (which is a lot of the point of my conversation here). I'm only saying that the depths of depravity that we take for granted in our literature now were only hinted at for most people, in the 1933-1937 years. If you were an American, the only alarming thing that the news would talk about was Germany's re-armament. Most eyes were on the Pacific, for good reason.

Europe was trickier. The evidence of what was coming was undeniable, and Nazi activities were growing in both brazenness and cruelty. Yet, most of Europe's press simply wouldn't cover it and even many German citizens (outside of the Berlin area, in particular) were only seeing hints as the worst of things was primarily kept to Party activities.

Only "Crystal Night" made the impact in the press that was required... and that was in November 1938. The evils of Germany were now no longer deniable, and even the New York Times, which had openly been sympathetic to Nazis until this point, had to change tune.

But, of course, anyone who was really paying attention knew that it was already coming, and worse was down the road... but by that time...

The article mentions Mein Kampf, but passes no judgement. It writes of the Berhof "set amid an unsophisticated peasantry". Class and anti-Communism feature heavily in the denial of the Hitler's mistreatment of his own people, and of those within the claimed territories before his invasion of Poland.

I suspect (though this comparison is a bit unfair) that it's a bit like "Dreams of My Father". Many people bought the book to support the Party, but few people who owned it ever bothered to read it - much less understand it.

Compared to Belloq and Donovan, Elsa appears to be the least reprehensible and the most conflicted.

Belloq was a mercenary. He was hired to the Nazis to do a job, and Belloq was happy to take the money and fame - and the Ark too, if he could get away with it. He always refers to the Nazis as 'them' and clearly sets himself apart from them. Had he lived, though, he would have been a Mercenary for the Vichy... there was a certain amount of French pride in him, after all, but he wouldn't help France without coin. He would take Nazi money right up until the invasion of France, though.

Donovan would be a Nazi outright if the party had attained mass in the United States. With his personality, he was a part of them, though he maintained his 'independence' in the way many party leaders did. I think they were going for a "Lindburgh" style association here, but Lindy was never that much of a sympathizer.. and Donovan wasn't shown with any sympathetic traits.
 

Vance

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foreverwingnut said:
Why does she weep at the book burning? Certainly as an archeologist she must feel the incredible loss of knowledge contained in the books, but is it something more universal? She told Indy, "I believe in the Grail, not the swastika."

Like I said, I think that the rally serves as a powerful emotional shock to Elsa. Her initial reluctance to go the rally shows that she, at some level, knew what these events were like, but she was keeping herself from confronting them directly. She gets there and it's tough for her, hence her sought-after moment of silence.

Then, of course, Henry Junior, filled with rage and disgust, stands in front of her. This is the confrontation that she just can't handle and breaks down. She wanted the stand for the grail, but didn't understand what it meant. But it's not until this point that she refutes the Swastica openly, and it's clearly hard for her. (This is a great scene for Allison, and really makes Elsa a more complete character. Without it, she would have just have been a femme fatale spy.)

The most telling point about the whole thing is that Elsa goes from wanting the grail for herself to wanting to share it with Indy. It wasn't even about the glory anymore for her, but the achivement of her dream, and she wanted to share that. But, like I said above, she was fated at this point to atone for her sins, dying by being unable to let go of the treasure.

Interestingly, one of the adventure games for Last Crusade has it so you can save Elsa by catching the Grail with the whip and returning it to the Grail Knight. She defects to England (which was not at all unusual in 1938) just in time for the war to begin.
 
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