Listen for yourself..Obama's Socialized medicine in his words

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Going back to Franklin Roosevelt, the president at the time of the
first three Indiana Jones films, he was called all kinds of things, like
socialist, communist, Jewish ("Rosenfeld"), born in Canada, etc.

"Mr. President, there is a man name Jones here to see you"
 
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For the first video in my viewpoint CLEVER EDITING!
I believe Obama is better than the dictator ship Bush and DICK tried to pull of our system Dick tried to crossover branches over our system to make him control multiple branches while bush had the other and hell dick shot a guy.
That and would most likely would have reoccur with McCain and Palin the takeover and the shooting!

BTW OBAMA is not a Nazi if anything he is mor of a communist and the communist system could have worked with a few adjustments of their system are made!


Personally Isocracy is the way to go!
 
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UIMJ said:
Part of our culture is to be a melting pot for the best ideas around the globe, from which we fashion a good policy and way of life. Just because an idea is rooted in a Socialist background does not make the entire idea an anti-capitalist one.
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The founding fathers were strongly against socialism.


INSOMNIAC, what are you talking about??? You're just rambling. Communism could have worked??? HAHAHAHAHA! You have no idea what you are talking about.
 
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The founding fathers were strongly against socialism.


INSOMNIAC, what are you talking about??? You're just rambling. Communism could have worked??? HAHAHAHAHA! You have no idea what you are talking about.
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Just expressing my opinion on the current state of what could have been!
I'm not taking any off it back to side with your unchangeable cookie cutter view point!
OR anyone else!!!
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RedeemedChild said:
And what's wrong with Socialism? FDR, Benjamin Franklin, George Washington, Andrew Jackson, Condoleezza Rice and many more also have or held some Socialistic views to some extent.

Besides if Socialism works well then mosey on along and stop complaining.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=111420898
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What??? George Washington and Benjamin Franklin held no socialist views! They hated socialism!

"When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."-Franklin

"Repeal that [welfare] law, and you will soon see a change in their manners. ... Six days shalt thou labor, though one of the old commandments long treated as out of date, will again be looked upon as a respectable precept; industry will increase, and with it plenty among the lower people; their circumstances will mend, and more will be done for their happiness by inuring them to provide for themselves, than could be done by dividing all your estates among them."-Franklin


No. Real Americans WON'T "mosey along". This country, AMERICA, was founded on certain principles that were AGAINST socialism. If you want socialism, go to Europe. How can you not care at all about our founding?
 
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Im gonna develop a space program and develop a group of people who admire Isocracy and build a colony on mars and rename it "Isocracy rock" and declare my independence from the world!
 
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Le Saboteur said:
Your invective against Obama is astounding in that you manage to equate him with socialists and fascists in the same breath; that's amazing.
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Nazi is short for Nationalsozialismus: National Socialism. :rolleyes:
 
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Trennas said:
Interesting discussion. I will not go into whether who I think is right or not, because I think you will probably eat me alive...
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Pay attention to U.S. politics for any length of time, and you'll quickly learn that Strict Constructionists and True Americans :)rolleyes:) are not interested in an actual discussion of socialized health care/nationalizing the banks/whatever. To them, the Founding Fathers thought of everything, and the Constitution is not open to interpretation -- a dead object, instead of a living, breathing document.

They'd rather beat their chests, wave flags, and rend their garments instead of coming up with some sort of alternative. 74% of Americans believe in health care reform, and the Republican Party has taken its collective head and stuck it in the sand like an ostrich. You can note the shaping of this thread, and that other one on Obama's Speech to Muslims for evidence of this here.

Karl Marx said:
"A sympathy for the working class or proletariat and a belief that the ultimate interests of workers best match those of humanity in general."
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It's this quote that the ideologically Right want to use to hang the 'Socialist' tag on Obama. Too bad that they're uninterested in actually asking a member of the socialist party if Obama conforms to their platform or not.

Human Events: Is Obama a Socialist?

Obama's No Socialist. I Should Know.

The Manifesto of the Communist Party

Das Kapital, Vol. 1

Paul Krugman of The New York Times also has an interesting article on health care. You can read about it here.

Oh, and I forget who mentioned it, but of course I direct you to The Huffington Post; it's where the counterpoint to the all nay-saying is going to come from. I'll also redirect you to the Fox Forum as the appropriate place for all your ranting and raving about AMERICA!
 
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Le Saboteur said:
Pay attention to U.S. politics for any length of time, and you'll quickly learn that Strict Constructionists and True Americans :)rolleyes:) are not interested in an actual discussion of socialized health care/nationalizing the banks/whatever. To them, the Founding Fathers thought of everything, and the Constitution is not open to interpretation -- a dead object, instead of a living, breathing document.

They'd rather beat their chests, wave flags, and rend their garments instead of coming up with some sort of alternative. 74% of Americans believe in health care reform, and the Republican Party has taken its collective head and stuck it in the sand like an ostrich. You can note the shaping of this thread, and that other one on Obama's Speech to Muslims for evidence of this here.



It's this quote that the ideologically Right want to use to hang the 'Socialist' tag on Obama. Too bad that they're uninterested in actually asking a member of the socialist party if Obama conforms to their platform or not.

Human Events: Is Obama a Socialist?

Obama's No Socialist. I Should Know.

The Manifesto of the Communist Party

Das Kapital, Vol. 1

Paul Krugman of The New York Times also has an interesting article on health care. You can read about it here.

Oh, and I forget who mentioned it, but of course I direct you to The Huffington Post; it's where the counterpoint to the all nay-saying is going to come from. I'll also redirect you to the Fox Forum as the appropriate place for all your ranting and raving about AMERICA!
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You have no idea what you're talking about. That was just proven when you said one couldn't be a fascist and a socialist at the same time.

The Founding Fathers WERE against socialism. Nobody's just assuming they were. Do some research. Read their quotes and speeches.

Of course the socialist parties won't say Obama's a socialist! They know people of America won't follow socialism! If they deny it, people like YOU will believe them and vote for socialists like Obama.

The Huffington Post, unlike Fox, is a HATEFUL website.

Your problem is you want to completely change America from what it was intended to be and always has been. If you don't like America and what it stands for, then leave!
 
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The Founding Fathers do not equal today's America. They wrote the Constitution with the thought in mind that it could be changed to fit the times and improved upon.

I'm just saying that the ideals of the Founding Fathers may not apply (is that the right word?) to today.
 
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Le Saboteur said:
74% of Americans believe in health care reform, and the Republican Party has taken its collective head and stuck it in the sand like an ostrich.
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But are that many Americans ready to say hello to a marginal tax rate of 50-60%? Like I said, Obama's own people (Geithner & Summers) refuse to rule out tax hikes on the middle class (those making less than $250K per year) as a way to pay for this plan. Such a tax hike would violate one of Obama's key promises, and would would seriously harm his chances for re-election (remember Bush Sr. and "read my lips"?)

Until Obama makes it clear how he plans to pay for this proposal, he can expect zero support from the House and Senate, because what they do will be remembered in the 2010 midterms coming up. They don't want to **** off their constituents.

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Interesting discussion. I will not go into whether who I think is right or not, because I think you will probably eat me alive, but Kevin's comment about surtaxes made me wonder how the US tax system actually works.. Here in the Netherlands we work with so-called tax scales. The amount of money you make puts you in a particular scale and you pay a higher percentage of taxes the further up in the scales you go. Seems to work pretty well here so far.
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Here in the USA we have a similar system, called a Progressive Tax System. Basically the more you make, the higher your tax percentage. The proposed surtax would basically be a tax on top of the already levied tax, and would break down as follows:

1 percent surtax on AGI between $350,000 and $500,000 (singles between $280,000 and $400,000)

1.5 percent surtax on AGI between $500,000 and $1,000,000 (singles between $400,000 and $800,000)

5.4 percent surtax on AGI beyond $1,000,000 (singles beyond $800,000)
 
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bennihana123 said:
The Founding Fathers do not equal today's America. They wrote the Constitution with the thought in mind that it could be changed to fit the times and improved upon.

I'm just saying that the ideals of the Founding Fathers may not apply (is that the right word?) to today.
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Absolutely false. The Founding Fathers constantly wrote about how certain things can NEVER happen or change in America. Socialism is clearly one of these.
 
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Kevin said:
But are that many Americans ready to say hello to a marginal tax rate of 50-60%? Like I said, Obama's own people (Geithner & Summers) refuse to rule out tax hikes on the middle class (those making less than $250K per year) as a way to pay for this plan. Such a tax hike would violate one of Obama's key promises, and would would seriously harm his chances for re-election (remember Bush Sr. and "read my lips"?)
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Of course they're not. Americans are still very much in the want category, but don't want to pay for anything. But they have forgotten Wilde's maxim about those that "know the price of everything and the value of nothing."

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Until Obama makes it clear how he plans to pay for this proposal, he can expect zero support from the House and Senate...
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Zero support is a stretch. If they really wanted to, the Democrats could ram it through the house, and probably the Senate. It'll take some work. That aside, there is the approximate $100-billion dollars a year we're currently wasting in the Iraq debacle. Priorities are going to need to be decided, then stuck to.

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Your problem is you want to completely change America from what it was intended to be and always has been. If you don't like America and what it stands for, then leave!
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Thank you for continuing to prove my point. Especially considering that socialism wasn't coined until around 1850.
 
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tnswman said:
http://www.breitbart.tv/uncovered-v...h-care-plan-will-eliminate-private-insurance/

It can't get any more simple than that.

This President has EVERY right to push for HIS vision of America. However, it should be understood by AMERICANS that this man is a long time socialist thinker.

This is the SAME type of plan that even the Nazi party tried to achieve. This can be best explained here: http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/ezraklein_archive?month=09&year=2006&base_name=nazi_ideas

Now, I fully understand that MANY blindless followers still use the tired old defense that ANYONE who does not support this President is a Racist. However, that has now just proven that they simply are unable to defend this man's policies or beliefs.

In reality, Obama has and continues to show how much of a racist and Socialist that he is. The threats that this healthcare bill will bring to America and it's citizens are not only scary, they are proven to FAIL!

NONE of this is hidden well either...One simple needs to READ THE BILL...Here: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.3200:

I have read it and am ASTOUNDED that any of these Socialist ideas could EVER be presented in an AMERICAN House Bill.

So, go ahead...Read it yourself...If you can't understand it, I'm sure your ignorant old "you are a racist...if you don't agree 100% with Obama" comments will help this Nazi like Administration succeed.
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Seriously. Get a life.
 
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Le Saboteur said:
Of course they're not. Americans are still very much in the want category, but don't want to pay for anything. But they have forgotten Wilde's maxim about those that "know the price of everything and the value of nothing."



Zero support is a stretch. If they really wanted to, the Democrats could ram it through the house, and probably the Senate. It'll take some work. That aside, there is the approximate $100-billion dollars a year we're currently wasting in the Iraq debacle. Priorities are going to need to be decided, then stuck to.



Thank you for continuing to prove my point. Especially considering that socialism wasn't coined until around 1850.
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Sorry if hard working Americans don't want to be taxed to death. They aren't entitled to keep the majority of money they make, right?

It doesn't matter when the term "socialism" was coined, it's ideas have been around since the beginning. If you would actually learn something and read the quotes and speeches by our Founding Fathers, you would know that they were STRONGLY against socialistic ideas.
 
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Short Round said:
Absolutely false. The Founding Fathers constantly wrote about how certain things can NEVER happen or change in America. Socialism is clearly one of these.
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There are these things called amendments...
 
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some of you guys need to un-twist your panties. Calm down.

I like President Obama very much.

I think he is a GREAT President!! I fully support him.

He is a White guy, who has some African in his ancestry.

Anyway.........

What is wrong with Socialism? When it is combined with Nationalism, it becomes............GASP!!!! National Socialism. .....Actually, the BEST form of Government for its citizens.

There are many National Socialist Governments in the World today. .....Oh, they don't call themselves that........because they would be condemned and criticized for doing so, due to the artificial stigma attached to the words "National Socialist", but nonetheless they are indeed National Socialist.

Japan, Singapore,.....these countries are indeed National Socialist. I.E. the put the health, benefit, and welfare of their citizens above ALL!!

Translation: They don't allow the International corporations to RULE their countries, as the US does. They don't sell their people down the river for the benefit of the profit margin of the multinational corporations......as the US does! They don't OUTSOURCE jobs ........as the US does! They have PATRIOTISM, and love of Country,......as the US does NOT!

At least until now.

Now we have Mr. Obama.

He seems to love his country, and to want the best for it.

WHAT A HUGE CHANGE FROM THE LAST PRESIDENT!! Who sold his soul to the multinationals, and to a certain Foreign Country

("Beware of Foreign Entanglements" .........G. Washington).

President Obama wants to end senseless overseas wars, and bring Health Care to all of the American People. ..........wow, what a horrible concept!

Some of you guys need to calm the F@#$ down, and think about what you are ranting about.

Get a grip. Health card for AMERICANS is not a bad thing..........HELLO!
 
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Speaking of panties in a twist, here's Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi accusing her opponents of "carrying swastikas." (Maybe they're just Native Americans, trying to warn us about the miserable state of government health care on reservations?) For a fine collection of such accusations and the real history of 20th century ideologies, read this book.
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Americans ready to say hello to a marginal tax rate of 50-60%?
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That's where we're headed, a tax rate higher than France. Just think of every 2% as one week of servitude to feed the government, before you feed, clothe or house your own family. This is caring?
 
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monkey said:
some of you guys need to un-twist your panties. Calm down.

I like President Obama very much.

I think he is a GREAT President!! I fully support him.

He is a White guy, who has some African in his ancestry.

Anyway.........

What is wrong with Socialism? When it is combined with Nationalism, it becomes............GASP!!!! National Socialism. .....Actually, the BEST form of Government for its citizens.

There are many National Socialist Governments in the World today. .....Oh, they don't call themselves that........because they would be condemned and criticized for doing so, due to the artificial stigma attached to the words "National Socialist", but nonetheless they are indeed National Socialist.

Japan, Singapore,.....these countries are indeed National Socialist. I.E. the put the health, benefit, and welfare of their citizens above ALL!!

Translation: They don't allow the International corporations to RULE their countries, as the US does. They don't sell their people down the river for the benefit of the profit margin of the multinational corporations......as the US does! They don't OUTSOURCE jobs ........as the US does! They have PATRIOTISM, and love of Country,......as the US does NOT!

At least until now.

Now we have Mr. Obama.

He seems to love his country, and to want the best for it.

WHAT A HUGE CHANGE FROM THE LAST PRESIDENT!! Who sold his soul to the multinationals, and to a certain Foreign Country

("Beware of Foreign Entanglements" .........G. Washington).

President Obama wants to end senseless overseas wars, and bring Health Care to all of the American People. ..........wow, what a horrible concept!

Some of you guys need to calm the F@#$ down, and think about what you are ranting about.

Get a grip. Health card for AMERICANS is not a bad thing..........HELLO!
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How is he a great president??? Please tell us WHY you think that?

America isn't a socialist nation! Do you care about our history? You are the most anti-American person I have ever come across.

Sorry but the US actually believes in the free market and giving people FREEDOM.

The founding fathers hated your views and you should just leave America since you hate what it stands for.

Get a grip. The Founding Fathers FEARED socialism!
 
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