Rocket Surgeon
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Excellent picks...can't wait to dig in to these!
That's the beauty of threads like this.Montana Smith said:There always seems something new to discover in Raiders, as I never noticed this before!
I was seeing a dark, maroon type red when juicing up the colours but VP screengrabs show that it is indeed black and definitely with captain's insignia. If the fire brigade was the only one to use an all-black kepi, I think you've nailed it, Smiffy! Good show, ol' boy!Montana Smith said:These are cropped pictures from VP's collection. In the first one the two vertical bands are visible, but are close together:
The hat appears to be black, and with the chinstrap missing.
I wonder if it's the kepi of a captain of a French fire brigade, similar to this slightly squashed one from the early Third Republic (1870-):
ArnoldTohtFan said:I don't wanna get everyone excited, as it may just be a goof in the costume department, BUT... I think I just noticed something new
In Raiders, I'm pretty certain that the metal Nazi eagles on Gbler and Dietrich's uniforms are different. Gobler's eagle appears to be gold, while the one on Dietrich's cap is silver. The difference is best seen when they are concluding their discussion with Belloq, standing side by side, just before they introduce Toht at the digsite.
Also, of minor note, the shirt/collar Dietrich is wearing beneath his tunic also appears to be different to that of Gobler. Dietrich's is a mint-ish colour, while Gobler's is khaki.
Perhaps you can post the screenshots, so we can see if I'm right AND if I'm the first to notice
dr.jones1986 said:I was always curious, at the end of TOD when the British come to the rescue Captain Blumburtt's soldiers seem to have two different types of headgear. Some seem to have a blue turban and others have a khaki hat. I assumed that maybe it had to do with religious differences. All the major religions of India are associated with turbans, especially Sikhs, though this does not appear to be a typical Sikh turban. Anybody have any idea about this?
Stoo said:@Montana Smiff: More on this later...I'm going to 'GO APE' on this subject!
It's Alive! Nice ressurection! This thread ALWAYS entertains and informs...dr.jones1986 said:...Captain Blumburtt's soldiers seem to have two different types of headgear. Some seem to have a blue turban and others have a khaki hat. I assumed that maybe it had to do with religious differences. All the major religions of India are associated with turbans, especially Sikhs, though this does not appear to be a typical Sikh turban. Anybody have any idea about this?
Montana Smith said:The blue turbans are Sikh... The broad-brimmed hats with turned up sides are likely Hindus. Sergeant-Major Gandhi while serving in the Ambulance Corps during the Second Boer War (1899)...These illustrations may throw the Sikh idea back into the melting pot as they may even be Muslims
Stoo said:Just wanted to mention that the word, "puggaree", means, "turban". (A closer pronunciation would be "pagri / pakri".) It became mandatory for colonial British troops to have a piece of cloth (puggaree) folded & wrapped around their helmets in countries with Muslims. This particular "look" became standard to the point where puggarees were a staple on any 1930s pith helmet.
Montana Smith said:Looking forward to that.
This is one of the few Indy related subjects that still remain of interest to me.
The entire, European colonial period is a pet passion of mine and my specialty is the Brits. (DISCLAIMER: I have never been to India and am not an expert but do know quite a bit about its day under British Raj.) To fully explore these uniforms will take a few posts so, please, bear with me!dr.jones1986 said:I was always curious, at the end of TOD when the British come to the rescue Captain Blumburtt's soldiers seem to have two different types of headgear. Some seem to have a blue turban and others have a khaki hat. I assumed that maybe it had to do with religious differences. All the major religions of India are associated with turbans, especially Sikhs, though this does not appear to be a typical Sikh turban. Anybody have any idea about this?
Blumburtt says he is from the 11th Poona Rifles. Neither of these units resemble the real-life Poona Rifles (more on them later) but what has always amused me is that some of the shoulder flashes say, “12”!Stoo said:Montana Smiffy can obviously focus on the Germans and I can easily do the British & Indian troops since that is my area of expertise. (Please, leave them to me because I can't wait to finally expose a glaring goof about the Poona Rifles.)
dr.jones1986 said:...they are said to be the 11th Poona Rifles.
Montana Smith said:When you first asked about the headgear I looked at my copy of the WEG TOD Sourcebook, and they'd somehow recorded the 11th Poona Rifles as "11th Puma Rifles" !
Apparently this was also the case with The Ultimate Guide and The Lost Journal.
Rocket Surgeon said:Couldn't they secure the rights to the name?
Turn off your "NetNanny"...Montana Smith said:I'm still looking for photos of the 11th Poonani Rifles.
Rocket Surgeon said:Turn off your "NetNanny"...