Star Wars: The Force Awakens

Dr. Gonzo

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As opposed to opening a new thread on the next two Star Wars films after the 7th film, I'm placing this info here as well as in the "Disney acquires Lucasfilm" thread.

So it is being widely speculated and confirmed in some places that Lawrence Kasdan has been hired to write the screenplay for either Star Wars 8 or 9 as well as co-producing both...

At first this sounded a bit like fan boy hooey, but now several legitimate sources are just about confirming it, including a friend of mine that has been 99% accurate on information he sends my way.

http://www.slashfilm.com/disney-loo...cript-star-wars-episodes-8-and-9/#more-149265
 

AndyLGR

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Montana Smith said:
The first leaked picture from Star Wars VII:

star-wars-episode-VII.jpg
Thats very good.
 

AndyLGR

Active member
Dr. Gonzo said:
As opposed to opening a new thread on the next two Star Wars films after the 7th film, I'm placing this info here as well as in the "Disney acquires Lucasfilm" thread.

So it is being widely speculated and confirmed in some places that Lawrence Kasdan has been hired to write the screenplay for either Star Wars 8 or 9 as well as co-producing both...

At first this sounded a bit like fan boy hooey, but now several legitimate sources are just about confirming it, including a friend of mine that has been 99% accurate on information he sends my way.

http://www.slashfilm.com/disney-loo...cript-star-wars-episodes-8-and-9/#more-149265
I arent sure what to make of it. On the one hand he was involved in 2 of my favourite movies ever (ESB & ROTLA), but on the other hand I arent sure if it would be better to have a fresh pair of eyes on the films.
 

kongisking

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AndyLGR said:
I arent sure what to make of it. On the one hand he was involved in 2 of my favourite movies ever (ESB & ROTLA), but on the other hand I arent sure if it would be better to have a fresh pair of eyes on the films.

Huh. Never expected that to happen. Damn, this is good news! (y)
 
Montana Smith said:
The first leaked picture from Star Wars VII:

star-wars-episode-VII.jpg
Now let's blow this thing so we can all go to Country Kitchen Buffet!


Kasdan? worked the first time around, but, cmon, getting the writer of the now commonplace "second act needs to be the darkest" cliche to do the same thing again..."it's like poetry"...poetry thats supposed to make billions of dollars, eh, Disney?
 

Raiders90

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Montana Smith said:
It was contrived in that he met so many movers and shakers of the day just so George could introduce them to the kids.

When he met Kafka even the adventure became a surreal exercise, as though stepping into one of the author's novels.

The TV series was more unrealistic, in terms of style, than surviving a fall from an aeroplane in a life raft, because the Indy films were about the pulp serial. But George saw an opportunity to push his growing interest in education. The pulp serials which inspired Indy were cerebrally unchallenging films intended to keep a child's interest from one week to the next. Lucas and Spielberg's motive had been to update them for a modern audience. The education aspect is something unrelated and 'out of character', in that the films were intentionally, and unintentionally, full of so many factual errors.

It was the beginning of the end for Indy, considering the mess that happened in 2008. In the midst of that came the mess that were the SW Prequels.

Hence, as before, keeping these thoughts on topic, Lucas selling Indy and Star Wars is the best thing that could happen to them. There's a chance of seeing something of a more classic nature, rather than something that's the product of a mind no longer in step with the original creations.

The way I see it, for all we know, Indy in his own universe could be something of a famous person. I mean Chatter Lal refers of his name years ago at Oxford, and refers to Indy as imminent.

I don't really find the YIJC to be the beginning of the end for Indy. It's just another chapter in his story.

His surviving all the things we see in the original trilogy (such as the fall from the mountain on the raft) through the fridge are just part of the fun that is Indy.

I find Indy meeting the historical figures he met no more unrealistic than Indy acquiring his hat, the idea of using a whip as a weapon, his future adventure wardrobe, his fear of snakes, along with his desire of being an adventurer, all in a span of fifteen minutes.

This isn't gritty realism, it's Indiana Jones. If he can have his biggest life changing events occur during 15 minute in 1912, happen to find the Sankara Stones, The Ark of the Covenant, the Holy Grail, the Crystal Skull, coming face to face with Adolf Hitler, surviving the events of the truck chase, tank chase, the raft ride, and the fridge, I can buy what we see in the YIJC. If Indy's said to exist in a universe where the Hindu Pantheon, the Old Testament God, the New Testament God, and Aliens all apparently exist, I can buy the YIJC. And Harrison Ford's cameo as an older Indy solidifies the series as canon, at least for me.

As I stated in another thread, the YIJC are Lucas' last great work. I accept them as the story of Indy's youth, and use the Bantam novels to fill in the blanks in his history--And they do help bridge the gap as in the Bantam novels, in the first few Indy is much like he is in the YIJC, and he develops fully into the Indy we meet in Shanghai in 1935.

If the Chronicles were on par with the prequels, we'd have had Indy and Belloq being childhood friends and Henry Sr. having gone to University with Belloq's father; We'd have had an explanation for EVERYTHING. We'd have Indy's vaguely hinted at "knighthood" in LC be validated as being part of a long forgotten Christian prophecy. The YIJC leaves as many questions open as it answers. We don't know when that defining moment is when Indy finally puts on the gear and steps out into the wild for the first time; We have hints of it and experiences which show us how he became so good at surviving and cunningly getting by, and we see where his cynicism begins to develop and how he and Henry fell out. If it was like the prequels, we'd have had young Indy being a totally unlikable, borderline evil brat.
 
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Montana Smith

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Raiders112390 said:
If it was like the prequels, we'd have had young Indy being a totally unlikable, borderline evil brat.

Rather than the sugary sweet Anakin who showed children important people from history.

The YIJC were a divergence from the Indiana Jones films. Lucas used the 'Indiana Jones' name because it was in the popular consciousness, and could be employed for other means. Is there an equivalent of falling from a 'plane in a liferaft in the series? The YIJC only gets wild during a hallowe'en story, and crazy for an introduction to Kafka.

To me it feels as far from the films as the Star Wars Prequels felt to the OT. That was the reason for bringing up YIJC in the Star Wars 7 thread: Lucas' transformation with regards to his two major universes. The YIJC chronicles were out of step with the films, just as the SW Prequels were out of step with the OT.

Something which has how hopefully been checked by Disney's acquisition of Lucasfilm. Even if Lucas is involved in the writing of Star Wars 7, there's a chance that others will override any future Jar Jar-isms.

But it's only a chance. A chance that didn't previously seem possible with Lucas fully at the helm. Disney may, in fact, demand more Jar Jar-isms!
 

Montana Smith

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Lucasfilm in colour.

Good
Bad

1977 SW
1980 TESB
1981 ROTLA

1983 ROTJ ? Ewoks, the beginning of the SW downfall
1984 TOD
1984 The Ewok Adventure (Caravan of Courage)
1985 Ewoks: The Battle of Endor

1989 TLC
1992-93 YICJ ? the beginning of the Indy downfall
1997 SW Special Editions ? Greedo shoots first
1999 TPM ? Jar Jar Binks
2002 AOTC
2005 ROTS
2008 KOTCS ? Mutt Binks, monkeys and snakegate


...

2015 SW VII under Disney ???
 

Lego Indy

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I thought that ROTS (Ep 3) was pretty good. Best of the prequels. It has been ranked pretty high on Rotten Tomatoes too.:whip:
 
the Ewok movies are bad? I think they are pretty exceptional, especially for made for tv films. Battle for Endor has more going for it than all the prequels combined.
 

Grizzlor

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featofstrength said:
the Ewok movies are bad? I think they are pretty exceptional, especially for made for tv films. Battle for Endor has more going for it than all the prequels combined.
They are not bad, they are incredibly bad! I rewatched them recently and they were terrible. The effects were so bad, and neither film had anything to do with Star Wars.
 

Montana Smith

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featofstrength said:
the Ewok movies are bad? I think they are pretty exceptional, especially for made for tv films. Battle for Endor has more going for it than all the prequels combined.

You're right. They were excellent films...if compared to something like Ed Wood's Plan 9 From Outer Space or The Phantom Menace.

Zip-up suits, cardboard feet and creatures on prominent wires make these look like rejected episodes from old Doctor Who series. Would've made more sense if Lucas had chosen the full Muppet routine.
 

kongisking

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Montana Smith said:
You're right. They were excellent films...if compared to something like Ed Wood's Plan 9 From Outer Space or The Phantom Menace.

Zip-up suits, cardboard feet and creatures on prominent wires make these look like rejected episodes from old Doctor Who series. Would've made more sense if Lucas had chosen the full Muppet routine.

Funny you mention Muppets, as I've had tons of fun speculating with friends about what a Muppet version of Star Wars would be like. Hilarious it would be, methinks.
 
kongisking said:
Funny you mention Muppets, as I've had tons of fun speculating with friends about what a Muppet version of Star Wars would be like. Hilarious it would be, methinks.

I'll stick with the single Muppet Show episode crossover.
 

Dr. Gonzo

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Star Wars VII gets it's director...

J. J. Abrams

http://www.slashfilm.com/j-j-abrams-to-direct-star-wars-episode-vii/

Looks like he's got command of both "Star" enterprises...

...see what I did there? Eh? Ehh?

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/46795355@N07/8411695597/" title="Star-Wars-Abrams-Logo by Chad Bronder, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8361/8411695597_f0ec621520_z.jpg" width="550" height="293" alt="Star-Wars-Abrams-Logo"></a>
 

Vance

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And Star Wars becomes yet another "summer blockbuster" quick-buck machine - with not much more to the franchise than that. If you listen carefully, you can hear millions of Star Wars fans crying out ....
 

kongisking

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Vance said:
And Star Wars becomes yet another "summer blockbuster" quick-buck machine - with not much more to the franchise than that.

Yup. Because the name "J.J. Abrams" automatically makes me think that this franchise will become a megaton moneymaker. Because Star Wars has never been that before, and God forbid any change...

:rolleyes:
 
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