ResidentAlien
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Eric Solo said:Anyway, back to the topic... JW has 46 Academy Award nominations. Second only to Walt Disney in nominations.
And Stanley Kubrick never once won an Academy Award.
Eric Solo said:Anyway, back to the topic... JW has 46 Academy Award nominations. Second only to Walt Disney in nominations.
ResidentAlien said:Do you believe everything someone tells ya?
Great art should stand on it's on. It shouldn't need an explanation from it's creator.
ResidentAlien said:And Schindler's List is awful.
And yes, I'm of Jewish descent so don't give me **** about it. Movies are not good merely because they're based on some historic narrative. Same goes for Saving Private Ryan. Garbage through-and-through. And much of the reason why I so dislike Spielberg as a director.
But go ahead, cite those as examples to why I don't know my Williams scores! You're moderately amusing (though wearing thin fast...)
drwynn said:One final reply and then I'll stop my rant;
One can certainly make the point that they do not personally care for Williams' music. That's all well and good.
But for one to listen to Williams' music, analyze it from a musically-educated standpoint and then say it isn't GOOD when viewing it from those viewpoints...well, that's just ridiculous. That's exactly why I think that Resident Alien's claims regarding Williams have no credibility or validity. Resident Alien can say he dislikes Williams as much as he wants...but for him/her to say Williams is merely "competent", or that Williams is "trite", or that Williams' music isn't "good" is utterly ridiculous. Unless Resident Alien has thoroughly analyzed Williams' music...dissected it bit by bit using music theory and compositional education...and approached the music from a musically informed standpoint (which I doubt he'she has), then he/she absolutely cannot say those things with any real credibility.
ResidentAlien said:Zzzz... Overly intrusive and bombastic. Complimentary is not how I'd describe his music.
drwynn said:My point in writing what I wrote about Williams' liner notes is this; Williams pointed out that his main emphasis when writing the scores to "Schindler's List" and "Saving Private Ryan" was to not let the music get in the way of the storytelling or become too instrusive when one views the film. And I was saying that his attempt to do so was a clear success when one listens to the musical score from those films.
No Ticket said:But your missing the "music is subjective point" and the fact that "good" is a relative term. It doesn't matter how much you dissect the music or analyze it... music is more soulful than that. You should be able to FEEL good music. You shouldn't have to take classes to understand it's good. That's over-complicating the essence of what goes into creating music.
Understanding the finer points of what makes up a piece is good. But it still doesn't tell you if the music is good or not. Only an individual himself can really say if it's good or not. And that applies to his opinion only.
Now, that being said... you can determine if someone is a skillful composer.
drwynn said:I understand your point, though...but, again, surely you can see mine too, right?
No Ticket said:Oh yeah. I got what you were trying to say. Yes, there's no way you can just say Williams is just plain bad or unimaginative even if you don't care for his music.
oh sorry if it was me I just got a little excited*grunt*I didnt mean for everyone to get all butt hurt.But whatever I like John Williams ALOT,and I was just stated my opinion like everyone else around here .If you dont like him I dont care.I just was so happy all my feelings poured out (even though i knew it was no doubt he was scoring it) no offenseResidentAlien said:Nor did I ever.
But to rave about him or Spielberg or any other individual part of Indiana Jones (with the possible exception of Ford who I respect greatly--though again am not a huge fan of--for his paving the way for a newer, more modern brand of leading men) is frankly absurd. Indiana Jones is greater than the sum of it's parts.
But to call Williams great or a genius is equally stupid... and someone here did exactly that. Calling him competent is a far more respectful and fair judgment. That's acknowledging some degree of skill but reserving some outlandish claim of genius.
sarah navarro said:oh sorry if it was me I just got a little excited*grunt*I didnt mean for everyone to get all butt hurt.But whatever I like John Williams ALOT,and I was just stated my opinion like everyone else around here .If you dont like him I dont care.I just was so happy all my feelings poured out (even though i knew it was no doubt he was scoring it) no offense
ResidentAlien said:Nor did I ever.
But to rave about him or Spielberg or any other individual part of Indiana Jones (with the possible exception of Ford who I respect greatly--though again am not a huge fan of--for his paving the way for a newer, more modern brand of leading men) is frankly absurd. Indiana Jones is greater than the sum of it's parts.
But to call Williams great or a genius is equally stupid... and someone here did exactly that. Calling him competent is a far more respectful and fair judgment. That's acknowledging some degree of skill but reserving some outlandish claim of genius.
sarah navarro said:Oh Snap !!!!Schooled Son!!!!
John Williams clearly fits that description.