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Old 11-14-2011, 02:10 AM   #376
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Lairdo's right, that Squanto track is very "Phantom Train" indeed. Good find!

Also glad to hear he's busy generating interest in the soundtracks. I tried to sign up to Intrada's message board a while back to do the same thing (they have a requests section on there), but never got accepted. The only thing that bothers me about them is that they only do the limited release sets that are usually pricey and sometimes sell out soon after release then are impossible to find. Wouldn't it be better to just do a digital release through iTunes or Amazon so more people could get it for cheaper? Seems like it would be cheaper for them anyway without the media/packaging costs.

Because Digital downloads are usually Lossy.
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Old 01-16-2012, 09:56 AM   #377
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Dig More Additional Music

In "Northern Italy, June 1918 / Tales of Innocence":

Several times throughout the episode, Laurence Rosenthal incorporates cues from the traditional, Italian tune, "La Tarantella Napoletana".

Also incorporated into a brief part of the soundtrack is the song that Indy sings while having a bath. It is, "Oh, You Beautiful Doll" from 1911. Lyrics by Seymour Brown and music by Nat D. Ayer. (Coincidentally, Irving Berlin, whom Indy would eventually meet in 1920, later reworked the music in 1928 for a play, "The Swing Party of 1928".)

@Tash: The analysis spreadsheet has been updated accordingly.
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Old 01-17-2012, 04:01 PM   #378
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I'm old school, so would have no interest in digital downloads of these YIJC soundtracks. I would like to see a boxed CD set with all the bells & whistles, i.e. most/all of the music included in the show, in-depth liner notes, etc. Sure, it's wishful thinking - but, if we got anything along the lines of the IJ film soundtrack boxed set from 2008, I would be happy

That being said, if a CD set like this doesn't come out in 2012 it may be less likely that it will come out at all, given that the music industry seems to be scaling back when it comes to CD production:

http://www.side-line.com/news_commen...=46980_0_2_0_C
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Old 01-24-2012, 02:29 PM   #379
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I sent MV Gerhard (the head honcho of La-La Land Records) an e-mail suggesting Young Indy in the wake of the recent release of Paramount's "Star Trek: The Next Generation, Vol. 1". Here's his answer:

Amazing post. I feel 20 years younger immediately No suprise of course that Lucasfilm is sitting on it. If only someone would make a move in the direction of release Ah...my greatest dream
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Old 01-26-2012, 11:20 PM   #380
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Way back on page 6, I wrote:

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Hey Stoo -

Given your expertise in mashing up the covers (e.g. the Old Indy), do you think you could take a stab at creating a CD cover or two for our "Unreleased Tracks" collections? I'm thinking in the vein of the Vol 1 OST's cover - bold monochrome color overall, with the margins containing color cutouts, all given an "oil painting" filter.

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YES! I would love to do some. Great idea! 2 Volumes would be better, I think. (Down the road we could possibly get more for a Volume 3...) Would it be called "Unreleased Tracks", though, since they sort of aren't unreleased? That said, I can't think of a better title. Personally, my preference would be having the music chronologically....

Let me know when you decide on an order but it might be a little too earlier considering not all the tracks have been fully identified yet.

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Well, we could call 'em "Vol 6" and "Vol 7" and so forth.

Wouldn't that be Trenches/Oganga/Hawkmen, then Austria/Russia/Barcelona/Praugue/Daredevils/Peacock? That's a pretty good breakup anyway, with the first one having strong military/adventure themes, the second being a wider mix.

Here's one possible breakdown:

Vol 6: 49 minutes

Main Title: Laurence Rosenthal
Young Indiana Jones Fanfare 0:55:00

Florence, 1908: Laurence Rosenthal
Attraction is a Law of Physics (Florence 1908) 1:23:00

India, 1910: Laurence Rosenthal
Indian Rules (India 1910) 0:47:00
DVD Credits (Journey of Radiance) 1:16:00

Travels with Father: Laurence Rosenthal
Tolstoy Among the People (Travels with Father) 3:09:00

Somme, 1916: Frederic Talgorn
Book Fight / Lt. Moreau Takes Command (Somme 1916) 1:35:00
Artillery Fire Begins (Somme 1916) 0:42:00
To the Battle (Somme 1916) 1:48:00
Flames of Horror (Somme 1916) 1:31:00
Lancers of Death (Somme 1916) 0:49:00
Tunnel / Behind the German Lines (Somme 1916) 2:36:00
Suspense (Somme 1916) 2:47:00
Main Title - Somme (Germany 1916) 2:27:00
Now's Our Chance (Germany 1916) 1:50:00
Run! (Germany 1916) 1:03:00
Painful Lessons (Germany 1916) 2:12:00
Let's Bury Some Stiffs (Germany 1916) 3:40:00

Verdun, 1916: Joel McNeely
Do Any of You Speak German? (Verdun 1916) 1:11:00
Return from the Mission (Verdun 1916) 0:51:00

Paris, 1916: Joel McNeely
Your Leave Has Been Canceled (Paris 1916) 0:54:00

German East Africa, 1916 / The Congo, 1917: Joel McNeely
A Stray Bullet (German East Africa 1916) 1:38:00
It's Treason, Segeant! (German East Africa 1916) 1:50:00
500 Miles Down River (German East Africa 1916) 1:39:00
Bee Sting / Dutch Boy (Congo 1917) 1:36:00
Our Situation is Desperate (Congo 1917) 1:49:00
Delirious Indy (Congo 1917) 2:38:00
My Name is Albert (Congo 1917) 1:31:00
The Chief's Son is Dying (Congo 1917) 1:04:00
Waving Goodbye (Congo 1917) 0:43:00
Ronstand's River Arrest (Congo 1917) 0:32:00
Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring (Congo 1917) 1:20:00

Vol. 7, 46 Min

Attack of the Hawkmen (Ravenelle/Ahlhorn, 1917) Joel McNeely
This Will Never Work (Ravenelle 1917) 1:48:00
Photographic Session (Ravenelle 1917) 1:59:00
Indy's First Dogfight (Ravenelle 1917) 1:03:00
Welcome to Germany (Ravenelle 1917) 1:01:00
Do Any of You Speak German? (Verdun 1916) 1:11:00
Truck Fight and Biplane Escape (Ravenelle 1917) 2:54:00
Off to Paris (Garryowen) (Ravenelle 1917) 0:38:00
Dogfight with the Red Baron (Ravenelle 1917) 2:28:00
Out of Danger (Ravenelle 1917) 2:38:00
Arrival in Hanover (Ahlhorn 1917) 1:24:00
Serving Schnapps / The Camera (Ahlhorn 1917) 1:37:00
Note in Pocket (Ahlhorn 1917) 0:10:00
Ran Into Some Trouble (Ahlhorn 1917) 1:06:00

Austria, 1917: Laurence Rosenthal
Get One Thing Straight (Austria 1917) 1:07:00
Arriving at the Swiss/Austrian Border (Austria 1917) 1:32:00
Sixtus' Papers (Austria 1917) 0:32:00
Mistaken for Someone Else (Austria 1917) 1:08:00
Wrong Compartment (Austria 1917) 0:40:00
Friends of Frederic (Austria 1917) 2:15:00
Mr. Max (Austria 1917) 0:27:00
To the Dungeon (Austria 1917) 0:53:00
Rooftop Chase 1:54:00

Russia, 1917: Laurence Rosenthal
The Bridges of Saint Petersburg (Russia 1917) 1:35:00

Barcelona, 1917: Laurence Rosenthal
Bistro Guitar (Barcelona 1917) 2:16:00
Barber Shop (Barcelona 1917) 1:19:00
Duel Accepted (Barcelona 1917) 0:23:00
Scheherazade Medley (Barcelona 1917) 7:22:00

Prague, 1917: Laurence Rosenthal
A Train to Catch (Prague 1917) 1:02:00
The Amazing Flight of the Filing Cabinet (Prague 1917) 2:19:00

Vol. 8, 38 min

Daredevils of the Desert (Palestine, 1917): Laurence Rosenthal
Assault on Gaza 1:08:00
Deception Chase 0:45:00
Meinertzhagen's Plan / These Documents are Real 2:16:00
??? / Riding with Ned 1:07:00
Talking with Ned / One More Question 2:14:00
Gaza or Beersheba? 0:45:00
Desert Brigands 2:35:00
A Trader in Fine Goods / The Wells are Rigged 2:22:00
Bit of a Gallop / First One Over the Trench Wins 1:32:00
Re-Wiring the Wells / Final Showdown 1:18:00

DVD Credits (Tales of Innocence) 1:07:00

The Treasure of the Peacock's Eye: Steve Bramson
The Letter (Extended) 2:39:00
Stories Concerning Antiquities 1:13:00
Goodbye For Now 0:59:00
Finding the Treasure (Part 1) 0:30:00
Finding the Treasure (Part 2) 0:33:00
China Sea & Musical Number 1:16:00
Our Diamond is Getting Away 3:52:00
Faraway 0:33:00
It Stops Here 3:02:00

Winds of Change: Joel McNeely
The Future is Here 1:00:00

Mystery of the Blues: Joel McNeely
DVD Credits (Mystery of the Blues) 1:27:00

Hollywood Follies: Laurence Rosenthal
Chariot Race 1:39:00
Broadway To Hollywood 2:26:00
Indy, Let's Go! 0:40:00

...

The lengths could use some tweaks, and each disc should have a title. Also, I've put some of MDew's tracks inline (e.g. "China Dreams") but not others (e.g. "The Man I Love"); they really should be in there but I'm rushed for time a the moment.

Discuss!
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Old 01-28-2012, 08:16 PM   #381
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Given your expertise in mashing up the covers (e.g. the Old Indy), do you think you could take a stab at creating a CD cover or two for our "Unreleased Tracks" collections? I'm thinking in the vein of the Vol 1 OST's cover - bold monochrome color overall, with the margins containing color cutouts, all given an "oil painting" filter.
Actually, the only soundtrack artwork that appears to be an oil painting is Volume 4. The others look like they were done with acrylics. But, yes, recreating the style of Matthew Peak's designs in the first 3 would be the ultimate plan.

Tash, your breakdown & running order looks great! You've organized them very nicely but I do have a few questions regarding these following tracks from "Daredevils":

-??? / Riding with Ned 1:07
-Gaza or Beersheba? 0:45

Are the question marks there because we haven't chosen a title or because those portions haven't been 100% identified?
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The lengths could use some tweaks, and each disc should have a title. Also, I've put some of MDew's tracks inline (e.g. "China Dreams") but not others (e.g. "The Man I Love"); they really should be in there but I'm rushed for time a the moment.
You think the extra volumes should have titles? The original didn't. Sticking with numbers would be best.
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...recreating the style of Matthew Peak's designs in the first 3 would be the ultimate plan.

Agreed!

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-??? / Riding with Ned 1:07
-Gaza or Beersheba? 0:45

Are the question marks there because we haven't chosen a title or because those portions haven't been 100% identified?

"??? / Riding with Ned"

Ah, that track should be left out, sorry. (I have it unchecked in iTunes.) It's the end credits from the My First Adventure DVD. It's got more of the T. E. Lawrence themes which are re-used in Daredevils, but IMHO we should save it for our hypothetical "Vol 0" (a collection of tracks from "Curse of the Jackal", like the "Pancho Villas Camp" track from Best of the West).

"Gaza or Beersheba?" is just the name of the track (it's a quote from the episode). My preference would be to actually include the quotation marks for tracks we've named with quotes.

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You think the extra volumes should have titles? The original didn't. Sticking with numbers would be best.

Sorry, I was typing too fast. I meant: Perhaps every volume should have a title track akin to the YIJC title variations on Vol 1 and Vol 2. This didn't carry through to 3 or 4. I included one on "Vol 6", not sure about the other two. The holy grail is definitely McNeely's unused (and as yet unheard!) alternate title discussed earlier in this thread.

All that said, the opening tracks I listed above for "Vol 7" and "Vol 8" make good intros; "This Will Never Work" from Hawkmen is a gentle introduction that only teases at the bombastic themes to follow, and especially the lilting (and unused?) first 15 seconds, whereas "Assault on Gaza" opens things with a bang.
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Old 01-30-2012, 11:34 AM   #383
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Stoo - I noticed your finding that Paris, 1908 borrows tracks from Paris, 1916. Nifty! Copied to the site. I've also improved my workflow for updating the cue lists on the site so can make those updates more frequently. Any others I should refresh?
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Sorry, I was typing too fast. I meant: Perhaps every volume should have a title track akin to the YIJC title variations on Vol 1 and Vol 2. This didn't carry through to 3 or 4. I included one on "Vol 6", not sure about the other two. The holy grail is definitely McNeely's unused (and as yet unheard!) alternate title discussed earlier in this thread.

All that said, the opening tracks I listed above for "Vol 7" and "Vol 8" make good intros; "This Will Never Work" from Hawkmen is a gentle introduction that only teases at the bombastic themes to follow, and especially the lilting (and unused?) first 15 seconds, whereas "Assault on Gaza" opens things with a bang.
Pesonally, I like the idea of starting each volume with the opening credits music. Afterall, there are *3* variations and, to me, it's fitting to start each volume with the theme (but that's just my opinion).

Yeah, McNeely's unused, alternate title theme...the Holy Grail, INDEED!

Thanks for the clarification on those "question mark" tracks, Tash. I can't think of anything else that needs refreshing at the moment but there WILL be an addition to include for Vol. 6: The music from the "Travels for Father" opening bookends that was cut from the DVD. (I'll be uploading those bookends to YouTube on March 4th and will create an audio file of the rare music at the same time. It might have a few sound effects but at least it's something 'new'.)

P.S. The improvement on the cover for Volume 0 is coming along very nicely...
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Florence, 1908: Laurence Rosenthal
Attraction is a Law of Physics (Florence 1908) 1:23:00
Tash, the only track you have here is the end credits for "Perils of Cupid". It fits, however...

Don't forget to include the end credits for "Florence". (Provided by Fommes and T.E. Lawrence.)

It's one of my favourite pieces. Available music from this episode is RARE so don't let this NUGGET fall by the wayside!
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Tash, the only track you have here is the end credits for "Perils of Cupid". It fits, however...

Yep - the end credits for little indy area bit mix and match.

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Don't forget to include the end credits for "Florence". (Provided by Fommes and T.E. Lawrence.)

Ah yes, I need to incorporate those into my play lists!
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Old 02-09-2012, 10:04 PM   #387
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In any case, the main themes of the covers should be:

Vol 6: Trenches of Hell, German East Africa 1916 / The Congo 1917
Vol 7: Attack of the Hawkmen, Austria 1917, Barcelona 1917
Vol 8: Daredevils of the Desert, Treasure of the Peacock's Eye
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Old 02-10-2012, 01:16 AM   #388
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I still need to know what the song in this scene is! It's a composition piece but I'm not sure what it's called or who it's by.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Er7r39HujU
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I still need to know what the song in this scene is! It's a composition piece but I'm not sure what it's called or who it's by.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Er7r39HujU

Yeah, tagged as "Reverence for Life" on the spreadsheet. I'd have to assume it's Bach... it's maddeningly familiar, but I can't place it. I'm a cultural infidel, though. Stoo?
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I'm not Stoo, but I've been wondering about this one for a while now myself, and I do intend to look into it...
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It's sounding like a variation on the first part of the "Schweitzer Says Goodbye" track from the Vol. 2 soundtrack. (But after a few listens everything starts to blur together for me.)
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I still need to know what the song in this scene is! It's a composition piece but I'm not sure what it's called or who it's by.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Er7r39HujU
Jonesy, in this thread: Music question in Oganga!, you mentioned hearing a longer version of the piece on a classical music station. This, I don't doubt because there are some notes which sound vaguely familiar in what we're calling "Reverence For Life".

Like Tash and Attila suspect, it could very likely be a case of McNeely incorporating a melody from Bach into his own score (as was so often done with other classics throughout the series.)

My mother is a Bach lover so I can play the clip for her next time I get a chance (if nobody solves the mystery before that).

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On a related note, I'm still trying to figure out what Schweitzer is playing on the piano when Indy is looking at the Bach books on the bookshelf. It's probably a Bach Piano Concerto but I can't play my Glenn Gould vinyl records to find out!
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Shameless plug...

Please check out the latest IndyCast where we look at and listen to the music of Young Indy in this 20th anniversary special.

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BRAVO!!!
Cheers Lairdo, Tash & Stoo! Great podcast. You guys made my day at work today! You brought the soundtracks thread to life. Stoo- LOVE your Montreal accent bro! And that was a great summation of the broadcast history of Young Indy. Knowing you, I'm tempted to believe you did that off the cuff, lol! Very interesting to hear tidbits like SPF hating Mata Hari's guts!

Question for lairdo-- forgive my ignorance of the process, but I was wondering- so McNeely or Rosenthal would compose their music, then send it out to European orchestras for recording and then have the finished recordings sent back to LA or wherever? Obviously I guess they could not supervise the recording personally in Europe? Wonder what happened to all that sheet music?! (We really need to get going on a Young Indy museum)

Also wonder what kind of legal wrangling would be entailed for any kind of release of music created by union musicians!?

Guys- your enthusiasm for the music and the series is totally infectious. I have a mind to go on a serious bender, immersing myself in both. Thanks again!

Some of that music after the Young Indy theme in the intro was new to me.

P.S.- Can one of you guys hook me up with the 3 minute spliced version of Truck Biplane Escape?! Mine is only two minutes!
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Cheers Lairdo, Tash & Stoo! Great podcast. You guys made my day at work today! You brought the soundtracks thread to life.

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it.

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Very interesting to hear tidbits like SPF hating Mata Hari's guts!

I would say it was mutual, and actually the actress who played MH was probably the more demonstrative about it. SPF as far as I know was a gentlemen about it.


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Question for lairdo-- forgive my ignorance of the process, but I was wondering- so McNeely or Rosenthal would compose their music, then send it out to European orchestras for recording and then have the finished recordings sent back to LA or wherever? Obviously I guess they could not supervise the recording personally in Europe? Wonder what happened to all that sheet music?! (We really need to get going on a Young Indy museum) ;

The music was recorded in bursts, so I do believe both composers went if they could. Occasionally a music editor would go. As for the sheet music, I suspect it was archived either at LF or in Europe at the recording studio. The only sheet music I saw was when we worked on Chicago 1920. We had to photocopy and assemble copies of the original truck chase to send to Joel in Europe for him to use as part of the recording of the 1950 sequences. But that's not really what you meant - that was more of a special one off because we had the original Raiders parts at the Ranch.

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Also wonder what kind of legal wrangling would be entailed for any kind of release of music created by union musicians!?

My understanding is that the Unions are actually amenable to these releases in limited quantities. This is partly why you see so many smaller films and TV shows getting soundtrack releases. Basically, a few years ago the Unions came up with a small fee structure under the thought that some money for their members is better than none. If you collect soundtracks like I do, you are shelling out every few weeks for something these days between Intrada, LA LA Land, BSX and the outgoing FSM. Varese too.

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Guys- your enthusiasm for the music and the series is totally infectious. I have a mind to go on a serious bender, immersing myself in both. Thanks again!

Some of that music after the Young Indy theme in the intro was new to me.

Thanks - it was fun to do, and we hope to do another show with more music.
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BRAVO!!!
Cheers Lairdo, Tash & Stoo! Great podcast. You guys made my day at work today! You brought the soundtracks thread to life. Stoo- LOVE your Montreal accent bro! And that was a great summation of the broadcast history of Young Indy. Knowing you, I'm tempted to believe you did that off the cuff, lol!
Thanks, Halfcup! Really pleased that you enjoyed the podcast so much and my hat goes off to Tash & Laird for setting it up. It was a lot of fun to do, though I must admit, the broadcast history part wasn't off the cuff. That was written, rehearsed & recorded separately at a later date. Laird-O edited it in a day before the special was uploaded.

Like you, my girlfriend is from Ontario and she teases me about my accent all the time. I her tell that she's the one with an accent!
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Guys- your enthusiasm for the music and the series is totally infectious. I have a mind to go on a serious bender, immersing myself in both. Thanks again!
Good! Mission accomplished. Immerse yourself. 'Tis the 20th anniversary, afterall.
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P.S.- Can one of you guys hook me up with the 3 minute spliced version of Truck Biplane Escape?! Mine is only two minutes!
If you still have my e-mail address, send me a message because I lost yours when my hard drive died recently. If not, PM me here at The Raven with your e-mail. I can then give you the track. (Awesome tune, isn't it?)

Note: Contrary to what was said on the podcast, "Truck Fight and Biplane Escape" was spliced toghether by our Belgian friend, fommes (not T.E. Lawrence) and named by InexorableTash (not me).

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Since we played our top choice tracks on the podcast, what is everyone else's favourite?
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Since we played our top choice tracks on the podcast, what is everyone else's favourite?

Good idea Stoo. Would be great to feature this thread's top list in our next broadcast.

And I'm glad for your "accent." I think our three voices are distinct enough to make listening easy to follow. Wasn't planned that way, but sometimes these things work out.
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Very interesting podcast! It's fun to see that Young Indiana Jones Chronicles is still alive. I looking forward to hear more of your podcasts.

By the way, my favorite music is the irish songs from Love's sweet song and of course the Bach, Jesu joy of man's desiring or "Jesus är min glädjes källa".

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Note: Contrary to what was said on the podcast, "Truck Fight and Biplane Escape" was spliced toghether by our Belgian friend, fommes (not T.E. Lawrence) and named by InexorableTash (not me).

I still quibble about who named it, but thanks for the correction and my apologies - and continued gratitude - to fommes! As you could probably tell by listening I was suddenly wishing I'd done more research before the recording session when that track came up.

Regarding future episodes - I think we need to wait for Ed to let us know how it rated as far as downloads go. I got a definite bump in the number of daily visitors to my site, but it's still a meager number. (I don't care, it's a labor of love!) We had discussed an intro/20th anniversary episode, followed potentially by specials on each of the 2 main composers, followed by "the rest". I definitely like the "favorite tracks" idea as well.
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Old 04-19-2012, 02:31 PM   #400
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Please check out the latest IndyCast where we look at and listen to the music of Young Indy in this 20th anniversary special.

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Amazing Lairdo, going to listen to it immediately. I am pressing the Raven gang for months to create some special podcast with a Young Indy theme where Skype multi-connection would be used with the most active user for discussions and mutual interviews...so to read this announcement, it was so AMAZINGGGGGGGGGGGG...if there could be only more Young Indy podcasts

Thank you so MUCH FOR THIS!!!!!!!!!!

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Just listening - this is so great Fantastic to hear Stoo's voice

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