I never liked it that they married. I don't like it even more that she returned. I kind of wish there was a new girl. I never really liked Marion. What do you think about the marriage of the two?
Even though I'm not a fan of Marion, don't get me wrong, I'm happy he was married, but I wish it wasn't her.
I like it; she was the only 'Indy Girl' that was a match for him. She had a history with him and people like him. Not to mention the audience has already been invested in her character.
I like Marion, but was disappointed they brought her back. I've been saying for a while they should've replaced Marion/ Mutt with a new Indy girl(preferably a redhead) IMO it would've improved the movie quite a bit.
Since they did bring her back, I don't mind he got married to her too much, though I do think it closed the character to the point that any future Indiana Jones has is limited.
Although I don't like the idea of a married Indy for a possible future installment, I think it's a good thing he finally did it. Indy was pushing his 60's in that movie. And it seems just right that Marion got the ring.
Maybe we could all cotton up to the situation better if they had fleshed out Marion's character a bit more rather than dumping her down Brody-style.
I didn't like it. I'd rather he either didn't marry, or a new woman had been added to this film for him. Just like each movie had a girl for him, I wanted this one to have a new woman. It was part of what I liked about the Indy series, getting to know different heroines (or anti-heroine I guess in Elsa's case).
Hi Stoo. I have read threads where you are in them. Thanks for noticing my joining of the raven. I would always read threads (Alot of them with you) and i just decided to join. And what do you know, my first post and thread, your in it!
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In my earlier post I said that I was undecided but now my mind is made up. Since I never voted on the other poll (and it's been closed), I've just voted, "yes", on yours. The sole reason being that the marriage lends more legitimacy to the Old Indy bookends.
When I first saw KOTCS, I was really young and it was the first Indy movie I ever saw. And Raiders was the last so when i saw it I heard Marion so my face made a frown and I was like, "Hey wait a minute! Marion! She was in Crystal Skull! She returned in it! Agh!!!!!
So in a way Indy marrying Marion was a good thing because it means that it's over and there's no danger of a fifth movie.
But what a way to finish. Not with a bang but a whimper.
I disagree with "the end of the serial" Indiana Jones movies don't particularly need a romantic side to make a new film. They are about action. Today being Harrison's 70th birthday is more of a show stopper than anything. Also where is the "don't care either way" option in the poll?
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I loved the wedding. It actually got me misty-eyed in the theater, seeing Indy finally find true happiness. This movie could have ended with the words, AND THEY ALL LIVED HAPPILY EVER AFTER, and it would have worked. I just liked seeing Indy at last become a father and have a family of his own, thus bringing his personal journey full circle. If Indy 5 is made, they'll have a helluva time creating a better ending for the Jones Saga then this.
The wedding can either be interpreted as one of two things: one, as the definitive curtain on the story of Indiana Jones, as I thought, or it represents a new beginning filled with incredible possibilities as far as deepening Indy's character development, and exploring his relationship with his new family.
I loved the wedding. It actually got me misty-eyed in the theater, seeing Indy finally find true happiness. This movie could have ended with the words, AND THEY ALL LIVED HAPPILY EVER AFTER, and it would have worked. I just liked seeing Indy at last become a father and have a family of his own, thus bringing his personal journey full circle. If Indy 5 is made, they'll have a helluva time creating a better ending for the Jones Saga then this.
My thoughts exactly. Corny or not, I got misty, too. I'm guessing more mature (older, mostly married, and having kids) Raveners like the Marion/marriage angle.
Personally, I've always hated that just about any movie sequel involves the main dude getting a new "love of his life." To me that just says he has a new girlfriend that week, and that she'll be gone shortly after the credits roll. Why invest in that? I loved that Marion returned. I even liked the idea of Indy having a son. They just didn't pull it off with CS and Shai.
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The wedding can either be interpreted as one of two things: one, as the definitive curtain on the story of Indiana Jones, as I thought, or it represents a new beginning filled with incredible possibilities as far as deepening Indy's character development, and exploring his relationship with his new family.
I'm with the second interpretation, new beginning, deepening of character, and an exploration of a new life with his wife and family. Not sure if that'd make a great movie, but it's a good way to Indy to wind up.
I'm not much on the YIJC, but in one episode, didn't his kids (son and daughter if I recall) come get him out of lockup? He was jabbering about breaking out of a Nazi prison castle. Was one of them supposed to be an incarnation of Mutt?
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The first time I saw Raiders, i didn't like Marion. I don't know why, maybe I wished I was in her position. But after awhile, and especially after seeing Crystal Skull, you realize they are meant to be together, and they want to be together. I find myself smirking during that final scene, knowing this meant new beginnings for someone who has faced a lot of endings. I hope they make an Indy 5, and deal with this new part of their lives.
On a seperate poll I voted Elsa as my favorite Indy gal, but on the subject of marriage, I think it was only appropriate that Indy should marry Marion. Her father, Abner, was Indy's mentor in the field. Indy was Marion's first lover, which has a special meaning for both of them. She shared in Indy's finding of the greatest of all ancient relics, the Ark of the Covenant. She was just as bull-headed and tough-as-nails as Indy and certainly as self-reliant. I smiled when Indy in KotCS said, "There were a few (loves), but they all had one problem- they weren't you, Honey." I'll repeat something I've mentioned before that holds merit here: Lucas and Spielberg originaly wanted Marion in all the adventures. Like it or not, she was always intended to be Indy's true love.
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The first time I saw Raiders, i didn't like Marion. I don't know why, maybe I wished I was in her position. But after awhile, and especially after seeing Crystal Skull, you realize they are meant to be together, and they want to be together. I find myself smirking during that final scene, knowing this meant new beginnings for someone who has faced a lot of endings. I hope they make an Indy 5, and deal with this new part of their lives.
I think the series is rife with new possibilities now, unlike so many on here who think Indy being a dad is somehow going to shackle his badass potential. Um, what? If anything, being a dad will inspire him to be even more tough and gritty if their lives are at stake (look how ferociously badass he was trying to save his father from the tank in LC).
So in a way Indy marrying Marion was a good thing because it means that it's over and there's no danger of a fifth movie.
I agree with you. This closure is the one single aspect that makes me doubt that Lucas is truly serious about a fifth film, or that he will be capable to find a story that weaves KOTCS further into a fifth story that builds on the marrying ending of KOTCS. All this talk about V is just coming to terms and dealing with guilt and professional dissatisfaction that the Beards have after their glorious grandious fourth attempt blew up in their faces like a nuclear puff of smoke.
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The sole reason being that the marriage lends more legitimacy to the Old Indy bookends.
Do go on, please... I would love to read some elaborations...
You mean because of the guitar-playing grandson and the daughter, i.e. Mutt's younger sister?
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I'm not much on the YIJC, but in one episode, didn't his kids (son and daughter if I recall) come get him out of lockup? He was jabbering about breaking out of a Nazi prison castle. Was one of them supposed to be an incarnation of Mutt?
To answer your questions, Sir Goodeknight:
1) Indy's lawyer is due to show up at the police station (not his kids).
2) The prison castle he jabbered about wasn't a Nazi one since it was during WW1.
3) No family member (seen or unseen) in any bookend is ever specified as being his son.
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Do go on, please... I would love to read some elaborations...
You mean because of the guitar-playing grandson and the daughter, i.e. Mutt's younger sister?
Correct. Many people/fans don't give a tinker's cuss about the Old Indy segments and don't want to consider them canon since they were cut from the "Adventures of Young Indiana Jones" VHS/DVD releases. Being a staunch defender of the TV bookends' place in Indy-lore, I am pleased that the wedding took place...on film.
Without a marriage at that period in Indy's life, the various, younger, family members in the TV series wouldn't make much sense, unless some extremely convoluted explanation could be imagined to justify their existence. The best part is that the timing of the wedding works well with the ages of those whom are shown/referred to in the Old Indy scenes. (Whether that was intentional or coincidental is anybody's guess!)
To answer your questions, Sir Goodeknight:
1) Indy's lawyer is due to show up at the police station (not his kids).
2) The prison castle he jabbered about wasn't a Nazi one since it was during WW1.
3) No family member (seen or unseen) in any bookend is ever specified as being his son.
Well, three strikes for me. (And please pardon the faux pas about the Nazi castle.)
I did come across a great YIJC bookend, dinner table scene (Thanksgiving?) with a room full of Indy relatives. Saw it on a neat place called StooTV on YouTube.
I agree with you. This closure is the one single aspect that makes me doubt that Lucas is truly serious about a fifth film, or that he will be capable to find a story that weaves KOTCS further into a fifth story that builds on the marrying ending of KOTCS.
I didn't see the wedding as a 'closer' for the series at all, really. But it fits and if it keeps us from having another Indy (since Harrison is past the age most would accept him as Indy) then that's fine.
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All this talk about V is just coming to terms and dealing with guilt and professional dissatisfaction that the Beards have after their glorious grandious fourth attempt blew up in their faces like a nuclear puff of smoke.
That's kinda silly to say that they felt any 'guilt' or what have you. We're not in their heads. And people kept asking them about V just like they did about IV. I do wonder if they'll ever stop asking. The beards shouldn't feel guilt even if they did anyway.
The film was a box office and a success with moviegoers and critics. Of course they're going to toil with the notion of another one. It hardly blew up in their faces. Nothing's come to fruition and that's just fine. They need to just say "we're done", though. I'd be happy to hear it. But by keeping the rumor alive, they keep the possibility alive if they DO want to make another. To me, that time has passed, but oh well.
As far as the wedding goes, I don't see how Indy goes out with a "whimper". Happy endings are a good thing.
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If anything, being a dad will inspire him to be even more tough and gritty if their lives are at stake (look how ferociously badass he was trying to save his father from the tank in LC).
Ha! Maybe you're onto something! Liam Neeson ala Taken, except with Indy!
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Like it or not, she was always intended to be Indy's true love.
I understand that, and that's fine, but I think the problem for me is that Harrison Ford has such great chemistry with all his leading ladies that it was hard for me to pick one as a favorite or say that's who I wanted Indy with. And that's why I would have liked to see another woman for Indy in the fourth film, to see Harrison Ford work that magic again and create another memorable romance for Indy.
