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Old 06-09-2011, 03:51 PM   #26
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I have tried to identify this coin in the DVD Introduction but can not find a match to an actual coin.
Good eye, Mr. Boyd! That coin is buried in the shadows. If anyone can identify it, it's you. Will try to get a better screen grab but can't promise anything.
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This poster shows a French gold "Rooster" coin attacking a German soldier.
WOW. Nice going. Do you have one of these? I'll have to keep my eye out for this poster the next time I watch that episode...

On a side note: Someone was selling Roman coins at a street market here recently but I passed on them because they seemed over-priced. I might be able to get something better in Italy this summer. You've inspired me, WilliamBoyd!
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Indy's Roman Coin Identified - Nero Sestertius

I believe that I was able to identify the Roman coin in the DVD introduction.
The introduction displays a box full of souvenirs, including some coins.

The coin appears to be a Nero Sestertius with the "Roma Seated" design.
The 1st century emperors Galba, Vespasian, and Titus also issued this type.
It may be a modern replica as the box coin appears to be smaller than a sestertius.

The design shows "Roma" personified as a woman in armor, seated, next to a shield.
The word "ROMA" appears at the bottom of the coin.

The DVD coin, taken from a larger image of the DVD introduction:


A Nero sestertius:


Ancient coin dies were cut by hand and the images for the same coin type
could vary from artist to artist, so the coin would not be an exact match.

Since only the reverse side of the coin is visible, it is not possible
to tell which emperor issued the coin, but Galba, Vespasian, and Titus
issued only one or two types and Nero issued many, so it is probably Nero.

The "Roma Seated" design has been used many times over the years,
it appeared on the reverse of the pre-decimal British pennies.

A real Nero Sestertius of this type in good condition is an expensive coin,
reputable coin dealers sell them for at $1000 and sometimes much more.
Worn and corroded examples are cheaper.

There are many replicas for sale much cheaper, and I suspect that the coin
in the box is a replica, as who would want to subject a rare coin to damage
from items moving around in a box.

Nero is a much more well-known emperor than the other three,
and would appeal more to Indiana Jones, as well as the prop man.

I watched the episode "Attack of the Hawkmen" recently, Indy sets fire
to a German aircraft factory, Nero liked fires too.


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Old 10-02-2011, 03:48 PM   #28
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Some more coins from a "Young Indiana Jones" episode

Some more coins from a "Young Indiana Jones" episode:

These are from the "Ireland, April 1916" episode:

The DVD is "Love's Sweet Song" and includes the
"Ireland, April 1916" and "London, May 1916" episodes.

These are two of my favorite episodes as:
1. I'm Irish.
2. Elizabeth Hurley looks nice (London episode)


Indy and friend walking in Dublin.
Later they move into cheap lodgings and do not have much money.


A group of British coins from the early 1900's.
The coins are bronze pennies and silver sixpences and shillings.
A shilling was worth about US 25 cents then.


One penny has the head of King George V, these were made from 1911 to 1936.

The reverse design on the British penny, the seated warrior woman with the shield,
is the same design used on the Roman sestertius (above).

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Old 10-02-2011, 05:09 PM   #29
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The reverse design on the British penny, the seated warrior woman with the shield,
is the same design used on the Roman sestertius (above).

Good old Britannia!

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Old 10-23-2011, 01:40 PM   #30
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Some more coins from a "Young Indiana Jones" episode:
Good going, WilliamBoyd. Just when I thought the well was dry, you found more (and identified them, too)!

I'll have to fire up my scanner and continue with the ones from the "Greatest Adventures" book.
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Old 12-07-2011, 09:37 AM   #31
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Some people have Indiana Jones books, some have games, some have...

a Nero Sestertius



Nero Sestertius, Roma type
(IMP NERO) CLAVD CAESAR AVG GERM PM TRP XIII PP
Roma seated left on armor holding long sceptre and resting left arm on shield
Struck: AD 67, Rome Mint

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WilliamBoyd, here's another Indy coin for you to identify (from the "Greatest Adventures" book):



Looks like it's from Germany...
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Looks like it's from Germany...

WilliamBoyd, if it's any help: the imprint reads 'Minister vom Stein Deutschlands Führer in schwerer Zeit 1757-1831' ("Minister vom Stein, Germany's leader during troubled times 1757-1831") and refers to Baron vom Stein, which I know about because my partner went to a school named after him - unfortunately a rather little-known person in Germany today.
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It is a German Westphalen Notgeld coin from the early 1920's.
Notgeld are token-like coins struck during a period of extreme inflation.

Here is one for sale in Germany:
They are pretty common, this seller wants Euro 30 for his.
Note the denomination, 50 million marks!


http://www.muenzauktion.com/kohlross/item.php5?id=1590

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Old 05-15-2012, 10:52 PM   #35
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It is a German Westphalen Notgeld coin from the early 1920's.
Notgeld are token-like coins struck during a period of extreme inflation.

Wow, William, amazing! And what a turnover speed in getting this info out.

I understand the coin picture is from the "Indiana Jones - The Greatest Adventures of Indiana Jones" book (which I have just ordered for 1 penny from Amazon UK ). In what context is this coin depicted, if I might ask?

I am just curious on what occasion one would see Indy dealing with Westphalian emergency money in the early 1920s Maybe getting over Marion by drinking a few beer too many at the Pinkus Müller brewery in Münster?
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Old 05-16-2012, 09:16 AM   #36
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I suspect that the coin's denomination would be involved, for example,
"How would you like to be a millionaire?".

The horse on the coin's reverse is pretty.

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The horse on the coin's reverse is pretty.

This is the 'Westfalenross' ("Westphalian steed") - also called 'Welfenross' (yeah, you guessed it: meaning "Welf steed") after the House of Welf - that is shown on Westphalia's coat of arms since 1815 (after Waterloo, Vienna and all that stuff). It is still on the coat of arms of the current German federal state of Rhineland-Westphalia.

It is similar/heraldically related to the Saxon Steed shown on the coat of arms of former Duchy of Saxony and now federal state of Lower-Saxony. Lots of mythical lore around it, namely it being a depiction of Odin's horse Sleipnir, or the Hengist/Horsa equine double act that lead the Saxons to England ('Hengst' meaning "horse/stallion" in German).

I admit with some embarrasment that I am not well versed with coins (still can't identify small euro cent coins properly when in a hurry ), but when I saw the aquiline nose on that coin's obverse, Freiherr vom Stein immediately came to my mind, hence why I was able to read the imprint.

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I am also curious how the Westphalen coin figures into the story.

My understanding is that these particular coins were not actually issued for use
but were made as commemoratives.

That is why they are usually found in good shape.

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It is a German Westphalen Notgeld coin from the early 1920's.
Notgeld are token-like coins struck during a period of extreme inflation.

Here is one for sale in Germany:
They are pretty common, this seller wants Euro 30 for his.
Note the denomination, 50 million marks!


http://www.muenzauktion.com/kohlross/item.php5?id=1590
I knew you could identify it! Looks like Indy has more than one of those because there is a 2nd Notgeld in the same photo spread. A measly, 10,000 marks.


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My understanding is that these particular coins were not actually issued for use but were made as commemoratives.

That is why they are usually found in good shape.
William, do you mean the particular coins in the image you posted were commemoratives or do you mean Notgelds in general? Some quick research says that they were indeed issued for use but not by the bank, therefore, weren't considered legal tender. (You're the expert so I'm just aiming to clarify this.)
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I understand the coin picture is from the "Indiana Jones - The Greatest Adventures of Indiana Jones" book (which I have just ordered for 1 penny from Amazon UK ). In what context is this coin depicted, if I might ask?

I am just curious on what occasion one would see Indy dealing with Westphalian emergency money in the early 1920s Maybe getting over Marion by drinking a few beer too many at the Pinkus Müller brewery in Münster?
Yes, it's from the "Greatest Adventure" book (as are some others I posted earlier in the thread). The coins in the book have no context other than to help illustrate that Indy is a globe-trotter. They are sprinkled randomly throughout the pages along with several banknotes from different countries and various other ephemera.

Quite the bargain to pay only $0.01 for the book! When you get your copy, be sure to post your thoughts here: The Greatest Adventures of Indiana Jones

As for how he obtained the Notgelds, your guess is as good as any! Maybe Indy acquired them at a curio shop while in Flensburg during WW2?

Thanks for all the wonderful information, Archaeos. You are quickly becoming a highly esteemed addition to The Raven!
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My comment about commemoratives applies to the Westphalen Notgeld coins only.

Most Notgeld coins were used extensively at the time and show signs of wear and circulation.

Most of the Notgeld coins that I have seen have pretty basic designs,
a small image, the name of the city or state, the denomination, and the date.

Also they were usually made of zinc or some other inexpensive metal.

Technically, Notgeld coins are actually tokens, as they were usually not legal coins.

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William, do you mean the particular coins in the image you posted were commemoratives or do you mean Notgelds in general? Some quick research says that they were indeed issued for use but not by the bank, therefore, weren't considered legal tender. (You're the expert so I'm just aiming to clarify this.)



I would love to know a bit more about that as well, WilliamBoyd8, as this is a bit confusing. Is it that as Notgeld, it was issued by third parties and used as monetary tokens (yet not legal tender, which only a central bank can issue), but that it was mostly picked up as commemorative coins by people? I don't get the logic, unless Westphalia was full of coin aficionados untroubled by the hyperinflation, and could entirely focus on the aesthetic side of all this...

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Quite the bargain to pay only $0.01 for the book! When you get your copy, be sure to post your thoughts here: The Greatest Adventures of Indiana Jones

Thanks for the invite! I will do that, although the book has not yet arrived. But for £0.01 (not being pedantic here ), I am not complaining about shipping being slow.

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As for how he obtained the Notgelds, your guess is as good as any! Maybe Indy acquired them at a curio shop while in Flensburg during WW2?

Sorry if I am ignorant here, but what did Indy do in Flensburg during WWII *mustknowanyreferenceorsource*

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Thanks for all the wonderful information, Archaeos. You are quickly becoming a highly esteemed addition to The Raven!

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Next Young Indiana Jones coin story:
Those look challenging. Have fun!

Here's another one from the "Greatest Adventures" book (the other side is shown with the date but I want to see how close WilliamBoyd's expertise can identify it):



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Sorry if I am ignorant here, but what did Indy do in Flensburg during WWII *mustknowanyreferenceorsource*
Nothing is really known but Indy & Mac talk about their situation in WW2 Flensburg, while outside the warehouse at the beginning of "Crystal Skull". (There's also a reference to the event in the "Lost Journal" book.)
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Nothing is really known but Indy & Mac talk about their situation in WW2 Flensburg, while outside the warehouse at the beginning of "Crystal Skull". (There's also a reference to the event in the "Lost Journal" book.)

I was hoping that there is some "expanded indyverse" substantiation to that small talk. My knowledge of Indiana Jones, you should know, is mostly focused on the movies and the series. I am very week in respect to books, comics etc., so I had hopes that this would have been picked up somewhere. But thanks for this!

I will also try to post my "Greatest Adventures" book review sometime next week (just got back home/office from abroad, much to do), as per your invitation.

And NOW, back to WilliamBoyd's next challenge *tata*..:
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The coin is an aluminum Germany 50 Reichspfennig.
The 'F' at the bottom is the mintmark, Stuttgart.

Here is what similar ones look like with both sides:


Germany 50 Reichspfennig 1935-A (Berlin mint)
They made this type only in 1935.


Germany 50 Reichspfennig 1942-A (Berlin mint)
The well-known trademark was added for 1939 to 1944.

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The coin is an aluminum Germany 50 Reichspfennig.
The 'F' at the bottom is the mintmark, Stuttgart.
Once again, Master Boyd, you nailed it (and with extra details)! Not only is this fun, it's educational.
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Germany 50 Reichspfennig 1935-A (Berlin mint)
They made this type only in 1935.
Indy has a 1935 one:


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I will also try to post my "Greatest Adventures" book review sometime next week (just got back home/office from abroad, much to do), as per your invitation.
Back from München, eh? Looking forward to your review, mein freund.
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Catherine Zeta-Jones as Maya, the belly dancer / spy:



Just for anyone's information, the coins that she wears are actually costume jewelry imitation coins.

The imitations are usually thinner than regular coins, and light in weight so that they can be worn.

Their inscriptions usually have meaningless imitation Arabic script.

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Might be a silly query, but when you say costume jewelry imitation coins, do you mean
a) for the movie wardrobe only
b) as applications or embellishment for clothing that were/are worn by Arab women/real-world civilians?
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The imitation coins are usually made of brass and are meant for dancer costumes.

Real dancers wear them, also the lady in the television show.

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"Daredevils of the Desert" episode coin identified.

Just for completeness, the coin which the "beggar" Indy receives from the uniformed officer
is an Ottoman Egypt 40 Paras dated AH (Moslem) 1277, Sultan's reign year 10,
which is around AD 1869, meaning that the coin was old when the episode was set in 1917.

The 40 Para coin is a large coin, around 38mm, which would photograph well for television.

There were 40 Paras to the Piastre, then was worth around US five cents

I managed to finally get a screen capture of the obverse (front) of the coin,
which confirms the denomination, as the 10 and 20 Para coins look similar, except for size.


"Daredevils of the Desert" coin obverse
The design at the bottom which looks like three vertical dots is actually a worn
Arabic character for the number "4", which usually looks like a letter "W" on it's side.


"Daredevils of the Desert" coin reverse

Here is what an actual one looks like:


Ottoman Egypt 40 Paras AH 1277 Regnal year 10 (AD 1869)

These are pretty common coins for collectors.

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Ottoman Egypt 40 Paras dated AH (Moslem) 1277, Sultan's reign year 10, which is around AD 1869,
WillyBoyd, I'm continually impressed by your knowledge but when this coin was discussed in posts #3 & 6 by Demitasse & yourself, the Arabic 1277 date was considered 1861 A.D. What was the deciding factor that now makes it 1869?

One can't help wonder if using this old (even for 1917) coin was intentional or not. It makes much more sense to use a special piece of money in an espionage contact than an early 20th century one. If it was, indeed, intentional than the series took much more attention to detail than I previously thought.

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