Happy V-Day to All!

Pale Horse

Moderator
Staff member
Didn't Indy tell us all to go to the library more?

Saturday, February 14 is St. Valentine's Day. This day has come to mean flowers and candle light for lovebirds, crunchy little hearts and cards for gradeschoolers, and bitterness for those left behind.

However, the name behind the mushy cards and flower sales belonged to one or more legendary Christian men who were executed under Roman Emperor Claudius II (AD 268 - 270).

Claudius II is best known for his sound beating of the Goths. The majority of his reign was spent at war and fighting rebellion and opposition. His devotion to conquest led the Emperor to declare that no young men of fighting age could be married; they needed to focus on being soldiers. Yet according to tradition, a Christian priest named Valentine opposed Claudius' decree and secretly married young Roman soldiers to their brides. When this illegal activity was discovered, Valentine was killed.

Another tradition tells of a young man named Valentine who was imprisoned when Claudius II outlawed Christianity. The Emperor declared Christianity treasonous by definition, since no Christians would worship Caesar as Lord. Valentine was imprisoned for his faith, but while in prison, he continued to minister the Gospel of Christ even to his jailors. He befriended one jailor, who asked him to pray for his blind adopted daughter. Valentine prayed for the girl and she gained her eyesight. Valentine had the opportunity to witness to the jailor and his whole family, and a large number of them believed in Jesus. When the news reached the Emperor that Valentine was making converts even while in prison, he had Valentine beheaded on February 14, AD 269.

According to the story, young Valentine sent a note to the healed girl just before his execution. They may or may not have been in love, but he signed it, "from your Valentine" forever changing February 14th for Christianity.

St. Valentine's Day originally fell during the Roman holiday of Festival of Lupercalia. In some traditions, men went around hitting women with bloody strips of goat skin during this festival, and in other traditions girls and boys were paired up for a week. Take your pick. The holiday in Christian tradition, however, did not start out with any romance involved; it was reserved as a day honoring martyrs. In Chaucer's "Parliament of Fouls" composed around 1380, we get the first hint of Valentine's Day having a romantic connotation. In it Chaucer stated:

For this was sent on Seynt Valentyne's day Whan every foul cometh ther to choose his mate.

Martyr yourself in the way you see fit...
 

Nurhachi1991

Well-known member
|ZiR| said:
No fair. Kristen Bell; one of the few women I'd switch teams for. Too cute. (y)



Agreed, though I don't laugh--I just find it a little weird. There's some tears and loneliness up in this thread. And that's OK.



Good luck. Try to not play it up too seriously or you might come off crazy. Even if it doesn't lead to bumping uglies, it's a sweet gesture. Who wouldn't like to get some chocolates on Valentine's Day (if only from a friend)?



Thats not what I'm after with this girl I just genuinely like her she is sweet down to earth and very cute to. I gave her the candy she seemed to like it and I bailed. I couldn't even focus on Jason killing everyone during the film just her haha I know that sounds lame but it's true
 

No Ticket

New member
Thus begins another V-Day for poor NT to spend alone. *tear*

... Happy Valentine's to those who are all like in love or whatever. And I guess to the rest of you too haha. I am still just trying to get this girl's phone number right now. haha. By trying I mean I chickened out the first time. No Ticket is lame. Did you guys know that?
 

The Magic Rat

New member
Nurhachi1991 said:
Thanks man I just got back from the store got her a box of candy and I'm going to go for it. Today is Friday the 13th and I'm going to see the new Jason flick after school nothing could bring me down today even if she does reject it.

That's great, let me know how it goes (or at least how the movie was :p )

Rocket Surgeon said:
hey, you drive your slick machine over the jersey state line?

As a matter of fact I did-and you, sir, have a good taste in music :)
 

The Man

Well-known member
Awww...

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Violet

Moderator Emeritus
herr gruber said:
Did you all know that Valentines Day was created by Simon Valentine, a greetings card designer who made a fortune.
:D

LMAO! Well done. Well done to Pale for posting those paragraphs too. Believe it or not, I actually already did know that. I read it up a couple of years back.

Rocket Surgeon said:
Indulging my arbitrary contradiction disease, and/or love of spirited debate:

There's nothing wrong with a day to remember and focus on caring, sharing and appreciating those in your life not merely your signifigant other.

All these things your saying have in them an element of truth but are hardly the totality of the Observation. Instead of looking for what you may receive, take the first step. There's someone out there who has done something nice for you, it's those people you should send a card make a call, visit in the home or hospital...and none of it have to say Valentine. Not at all.

If that's too hard send an Anti Valentine to a friend who will get a laugh, at least you'll be inspiring a good feeling for the day and maybe making a memory!

There are people who are worse off than you out there, show some one they're appreciated.

Valentines day is only as commercial as you allow it to be, and pining away while desperately romantic and the fodder of Fabio covered pulp is tragic and a plot device for Farrelly Brothers Films and the ilk.

This concludes my feel good, optimistic outlook untill Easter...commence b!tching!

There already is a day to show appreciation to others by showing that you care.... That day is called Christmas. If you want a celebration of love, it's called a Wedding Day or an Anniversary. If you want to show appreciation for a certain someone as a friend, it's called a Birthday. In any case, what I don't get, is we really celebrate only three saints in the year: Saint Valentines, Saint Patrick's and Saint Nicholas. I really don't think it's fair on all the other saints don't you agree? Looking at it from that perspective. For example, the European tradition of Halloween is followed up the next day by All Saints Day, which is a day of rememobrance for those that you loved and have passed away. Nowdays, All Saints Day is something that you really don't hear about anymore.

I believe that you should show appreciation and love for people in your everyday actions, help a sibling with their homework even though you think you're working on something more important, sit down and eat dinner with your family with the TV off (when you're able, if not, just sit down and talk to them). Simple, little Acts of Random Kindness is way more powerful in the long term in the end. Acts that are sponteneous and not brought on by a particular day.
 
Violet Indy said:
There already is a day to show appreciation to others by showing that you care.... That day is called Christmas. If you want a celebration of love, it's called a Wedding Day or an Anniversary. If you want to show appreciation for a certain someone as a friend, it's called a Birthday. In any case, what I don't get, is we really celebrate only three saints in the year: Saint Valentines, Saint Patrick's and Saint Nicholas. I really don't think it's fair on all the other saints don't you agree? Looking at it from that perspective. For example, the European tradition of Halloween is followed up the next day by All Saints Day, which is a day of rememobrance for those that you loved and have passed away. Nowdays, All Saints Day is something that you really don't hear about anymore.

I believe that you should show appreciation and love for people in your everyday actions...
Not surprising, I disagree, somewhat!

Christmas celebrates the birth of, to paraphrase a relative of sorts to this site, A New Hope...the person who sacrificed his life to redeem the sins of mankind. Whereas the the giving of gifts is a loving sentiment, it is a secular addition to a religious observance that tends to overshadow and supplant the nature of the day.

St Patrick's Day isn't about overindulging green beer it's more about the celebrating the long over looked and rather misunderstood Catholic policy of inclusion. St Patrick was able to illustrate the compatibility of some pagan values with church teachings, in sharp contrast to those who would enslave the Irish and fruitlessly attempt to forcibly convert them.

I always thought Halloween was an Irish invention but we all like to take credit...again All Saints was the Catholic Church's answer to the perceived threat of the pagan observance...a sort of Death Day, as you put it: "rememobrance for those that you loved and have passed away." Some of us still observe and "keep the tradition alive" to quote an Irish ditty.

There's nothing wrong with a formal day set aside to focus thought and deed on as you say: "appreciation and love for people...". Try not to confuse those who capitalize on the sentimental and the overall ideal of the day.

As my dear sweet Irish mother taught me, "anything run by man is subject to corruption", but those things inspired by God and love will withstand the test of time!

Just look at this msg board for confirmation of that.

Happy St Valentines Day Violet.
:D
 

Violet

Moderator Emeritus
Rocket Surgeon said:
Not surprising, I disagree, somewhat!

Christmas celebrates the birth of, to paraphrase a relative of sorts to this site, A New Hope...the person who sacrificed his life to redeem the sins of mankind. Whereas the the giving of gifts is a loving sentiment, it is a secular addition to a religious observance that tends to overshadow and supplant the nature of the day.

St Patrick's Day isn't about overindulging green beer it's more about the celebrating the long over looked and rather misunderstood Catholic policy of inclusion. St Patrick was able to illustrate the compatibility of some pagan values with church teachings, in sharp contrast to those who would enslave the Irish and fruitlessly attempt to forcibly convert them.

I always thought Halloween was an Irish invention but we all like to take credit...again All Saints was the Catholic Church's answer to the perceived threat of the pagan observance...a sort of Death Day, as you put it: "rememobrance for those that you loved and have passed away." Some of us still observe and "keep the tradition alive" to quote an Irish ditty.

There's nothing wrong with a formal day set aside to focus thought and deed on as you say: "appreciation and love for people...". Try not to confuse those who capitalize on the sentimental and the overall ideal of the day.

As my dear sweet Irish mother taught me, "anything run by man is subject to corruption", but those things inspired by God and love will withstand the test of time!

Just look at this msg board for confirmation of that.

Happy St Valentines Day Violet.
:D

Maybe Australia is a backward country, but you know, when my parents were kids, there was no such thing as Valentine's Day. I've even asked my grandparents (who are of Euro descent) and even they have never heard of such a thing till these days. To me, that destroys any validity of the day being traditional and because of that fact isn't worth celebrating (Love Day I thought was a joke on the Simpsons, turned out to be real in the US and I can tell you, it don't exist here). When I was a kid in school, there was no Valentine's Day until I was at high school in Year 9, and they sold roses for cancer charities. Which I don't have a problem with. I have already said what I have a problem with.

I don't care if others celebrate the day coz it's their choice, BUT what I do want people to be aware of, is the potential hurt it can cause young single people who aren't bad people, just not in love and to be aware of some of the falseness that comes with the day. Being a girl, I could go on and on about how bloody competitive it is comes Valentines Day and the taunts that come if you don't have a man on one arm and a rose in the other and would very much rather see what you're suggesting (which if you read my first post, is what I was asking people to do so at least we can agree on one thing) and if people did that, then I wouldn't have a problem.

As for Christmas.... Isn't sacrifice an act of love? Aren't good Christians supposed to apply the teachings and love of Christ to their lives? That's what I've been brought up to believe Christmas is about. "Good will to all men" and that kind of thing. Funny, you didn't say anything about weddings, anniversaries or birthday's. And if you wishing me a Happy V Day, is a form of sarcasm (can't tell since this is all written words and tone can sometimes be lost) something that is meant to anger me, then it certainly says a lot about you, especially being a defender of the day.
 

Indy's brother

New member
Valentine's day is a commercial holiday that gives forgetful husbands another night in the dog house, and gives lonely people an affirmation to their depression. Hey, it's nice to be appreciated, but if your appreciation is the result of a calendar duty, what good is it? It's just another bull s**t holiday that tugs at the heartstrings.

If someone loves you, you should already know it. If you love someone, then they should know it. If your feelings are not reciprocated openly, whether said or unsaid, then it's not love at all. A date on a calendar, or a card, or a dying flower cannot make or break the truth.

Valentine's Day is a holiday for those who are young in love. Training wheels for those who haven't learned how feel, know, or understand their relationship, and need to be consoled by an outward gesture. The true worth of your relationship is manifested in the small moments. That comes with time, and an emotional investment that negates an official day.

All bulls**t aside, Happy Valentine's Day, Violet Indy:
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Nurhachi1991

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This probally applys to most of us on the forum

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Indy's brother

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Nurhachi1991 said:
This probally applys to most of us on the forum

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$156 vs $85? That may compensate for the glass ceiling, but I could really use the $71 difference.
 
Violet Indy said:
And if you wishing me a Happy V Day, is a form of sarcasm (can't tell since this is all written words and tone can sometimes be lost) something that is meant to anger me, then it certainly says a lot about you, especially being a defender of the day.

No good deed goes unpunished, but there are lot's of things to rally against than rampant comercialism. Rather than go down the list point by point I figured I'd hit the high notes...these conversations are getting pretty thick, not for light reading! I could but really it's just to GET TO KNOW YOU..(ME).

All these negative things are valid, and much like a Rorschach test, it brings out the bagage people bring to the table(forum).

It wasn't sarcasm, it was more like Linus punctuating his soliloquy regarding Christmas, you know like: "and that is what Christmas is all about Charlie Brown".

I appreciate the benefit of the doubt regarding tone. For future reference, I tend to fight fire with fire,match up, or step up to a line(drawn in the sand for instance). It's a rare thing for me to lash out at someone who hasn't already drawn "first blood" as it were.

I do tend to have the prove it to me, doubting thomas thing going on and like to ask questions rather than rag on people...but it's only a tendancy.

If I meant to anger you, you'd either be writing in all caps or boarding a plane about now!
 

The Magic Rat

New member
Rocket Surgeon said:
Not surprising, I disagree, somewhat!

Christmas celebrates the birth of, to paraphrase a relative of sorts to this site, A New Hope...the person who sacrificed his life to redeem the sins of mankind. Whereas the the giving of gifts is a loving sentiment, it is a secular addition to a religious observance that tends to overshadow and supplant the nature of the day.

St Patrick's Day isn't about overindulging green beer it's more about the celebrating the long over looked and rather misunderstood Catholic policy of inclusion. St Patrick was able to illustrate the compatibility of some pagan values with church teachings, in sharp contrast to those who would enslave the Irish and fruitlessly attempt to forcibly convert them.

I always thought Halloween was an Irish invention but we all like to take credit...again All Saints was the Catholic Church's answer to the perceived threat of the pagan observance...a sort of Death Day, as you put it: "rememobrance for those that you loved and have passed away." Some of us still observe and "keep the tradition alive" to quote an Irish ditty.

There's nothing wrong with a formal day set aside to focus thought and deed on as you say: "appreciation and love for people...". Try not to confuse those who capitalize on the sentimental and the overall ideal of the day.

As my dear sweet Irish mother taught me, "anything run by man is subject to corruption", but those things inspired by God and love will withstand the test of time!

Just look at this msg board for confirmation of that.

Happy St Valentines Day Violet.
:D

Well said.
 
The Magic Rat said:
As a matter of fact I did-and you, sir, have a good taste in music :)

I don't think I have to tell you the same my man, just take care of the barefoot girl and don't let your dreams gun you down!

:dead:
 
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