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Old 03-17-2017, 12:09 AM   #1
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Post-"Indy 5" Film Models

There's been a lot of discussion of what might come after Indy 5, but as far as I can find, there's no proper thread for the discussion.

I've listed as many of the scenarios as I could think of below. Let us know which ones you'd like to see, or if you'd like something else instead.

Traditional Sequel
Ford returns to lead Indiana Jones 6.

Recast Sequel
The James Bond model. A new actor is cast as Indy and the timeline rolls forward, but the character's newly found youth is never addressed.

Traditional Prequel
A younger actor is cast as Indy for a film set in the same continuity as the other films, but set at a point prior to the existing films. Could also feature Ford in bookends.

Traditional Spin-Off*
A film taking an established character or element from the first five films and making a movie about them in a time period that's close to or after Indy 5. Can exist in a different genre than the other Indy films. (Possibilities: Adult Short Round, one of Indy 5's newly introduced characters.)

Successor-Based Spin-Off*
The "Creed" model. A film that specifically features a character who plays a successor to Ford's Indy, perhaps even having Ford's Indy in a mentoring role. Required to stay within the Indiana Jones archaeological adventure genre.

Prequel Spin-Off*
The "Fantastic Beasts" or "Han Solo" model. The younger adventures of one the series' other established characters. Can exist in a different genre from the other Indy films. (Possibilities: Belloq, Henry Sr., Sallah, The Grail Knight, Mola Ram, one of Indy 5's newly introduced characters.)

Traditional Reboot
A new actor plays Indy in a new continuity that attempts to stay within the basic rules of the former series, while making some slight changes. Remakes and fresh stories are equally possible.

Re-Imagined Reboot
A new continuity that banks on the "Indiana Jones" name but plays by it's own rules. Semi-modern, modern, and even futuristic stories are possible.

(*For the sake of discussion, let's assume any spin-offs would have some kind of "From the world of 'Indiana Jones'" branding or label somewhere in their marketing.)
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Old 03-17-2017, 06:41 AM   #2
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I have a hard time seeing Ford doing an Indy 6 unless Spielberg pulls a Peter Jackson and does 2 movies back to back or shoots those movies with 1-3 years between them. Of course you never know with Ford. He just loves playing that character.

I think it's inevitable that Indy will eventually be recast but it probably won't be a complete reboot. We're dealing with a character who we've only seen in 4 movies (putting aside the Young Indy series for a minute) so only a handful of adventures and we know from the movies he's been on several expeditions and adventures from his archaeology profession but he also apparently fought in World War II and spied on the Russians for a number of years. So there's plenty of options to explore there while staying in that same Indy universe Spielberg, Ford and Lucas created for us.
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Old 03-17-2017, 12:08 PM   #3
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I feel like a reboot with a new actor is what's going to happen, because Disney will not want to stop at a fifth movie, and what's the point of buying an IP called "Indiana Jones" if you're going to make a new lead character?

My preference would be to stop making live action films once Ford is done, and instead follow up Indy 5 with animated films set in the 30s/40s for Harrison Ford to voice. To me that's the only tasteful way to move forward, but there's just no way the studio is going to be able to resist at least trying a reboot.
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Old 03-17-2017, 12:51 PM   #4
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Great thread.

The only movie types I'd be interested in watching are a Traditional Prequel or, possibly, a Traditional Reboot (if done intelligently and tastefully). Nothing else would work for me, here's why.

-Traditional Sequel: IMO Ford is way, waaay too old already - "Harry? Let it go."
-Recast Sequel: I have no interest in watching Indy in the 1970s or 80s.
-Traditional/Prequel Spin-Off: Nah, the series is too character-centered. Indy rules, everyone else is just an accessory.
-Successor-Based Spin-Off/Re-Imagined Reboot: We don't need this. I'd rather watch Lara or Nate.

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My preference would be to stop making live action films once Ford is done, and instead follow up Indy 5 with animated films set in the 30s/40s for Harrison Ford to voice.
I would definitely dig an animated film, but frankly Old Ford sounds nothing like Young Ford. Might as well use a voice actor.
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Old 03-17-2017, 02:26 PM   #5
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and what's the point of buying an IP called "Indiana Jones" if you're going to make a new lead character?

Because of this argument, I'll point out that some of these are NOT mutually exclusive.

With so many studios going for universes and multi-track series, as Star Wars has, it could easily be the case that they can do more than one of these film models at a time. You could have a traditional prequel one year and a successor film the next, and a prequel spin-off the year after that, and so on in a continuing rotation.

So having a new lead character for one track isn't a deterrent from that track happening as long as other tracks keep the Indiana Jones character around.
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Old 03-17-2017, 03:53 PM   #6
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I suspect a Traditional Prequel set T-100 years. Like the push to screen John Carter 100 years after the novel. Sign an actor born in 1998 for 50 years. Shoot for 2 or 3 movies a decade. They seem young but if it doesn't work they can always try again in the 1930s/2030s.
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Old 03-17-2017, 06:41 PM   #7
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Unless Spielberg wants to make an Indy 5 + 6 back to back then Ford is unlikely to return. I think with the amount of pre-production time they are taking its still a distinct possibility Spielberg will make 2 Ford Indy movies back to back or with a small gap between the 2. If 5 goes well production & story wise I can see Ford & Spielberg saying to each other lets revisit it for 1 final adventure before its gets too old.
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Old 03-18-2017, 08:02 AM   #8
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I would apply a similar scenario just like Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade.

Cast a new actor to make a pre-titles sequence circa 20's/30's, and the rest of the movie with Harrison in his last adventure as Indy.

On Indy 6 we would back in time to Indy's first treasure hunts with the new guy as Henry Jones Jr
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Old 03-18-2017, 09:24 AM   #9
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Traditional sequel - hits theatres in 2021 for the 40th anniversary of Raiders.
If Harrison can play Indy at 77 then he can play Indy at 79.
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Old 03-18-2017, 06:41 PM   #10
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Traditional sequel - hits theatres in 2021 for the 40th anniversary of Raiders.
If Harrison can play Indy at 77 then he can play Indy at 79.

This. I really hope they will write Indy 5 and 6 together (possibly as two parter) with a 2 year gap between their releases. This year Ford would have a year to rest before starting shooting again.
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Old 03-18-2017, 10:25 PM   #11
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First post!

I would love a Short Round movie. Perhaps Indy 6 is Creed-style sequel where Indy and Short Round are re-united, only Short Round is angry with Indy over not keeping in touch as he looked at him as a father. Some posters mentioned Short Round as villainous at first, maybe a gangster who finds a better path. Then after that, go the James Bond route and just continue in the 40s with a different actor. Spin offs in between if audiences like the direction like Star Wars.
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Old 03-19-2017, 05:29 AM   #12
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First post!

I would love a Short Round movie. Perhaps Indy 6 is Creed-style sequel where Indy and Short Round are re-united, only Short Round is angry with Indy over not keeping in touch as he looked at him as a father. Some posters mentioned Short Round as villainous at first, maybe a gangster who finds a better path. Then after that, go the James Bond route and just continue in the 40s with a different actor. Spin offs in between if audiences like the direction like Star Wars.

According to the Lost Journal of Indiana Jones, he did. Granted, Disney will probably ignore the expanded adventures, but I'd rather them not.
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Old 03-19-2017, 09:32 PM   #13
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Agreed, great thread.

Logic says Re-Imagined Reboot but I have to hedge when a thoughtful (historically), period specific films like Tarzan falter.

Though the live action Beauty and Beast just did well this weekend and is on its way to 1BN, so who is to say how much risk Disney is willing to take to restart the franchise. Watch Wonder Women this June. It's performance may be telling on whether Disney is willing to go back to the early part of the century (i.e., before 1936 with a new, younger Indy).

That said, given how much Kennedy has skewed Star Wars female, I don't think we get a Ms. Indiana Jones (especially with Tomb Raider getting rebooted) -- not that I would mind with the right talent under the hat.
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Old 03-20-2017, 02:46 PM   #14
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I know this won't happen, but I think possibly the best solution would be to make a spin-off prequel series about a 30-something year old Abner Ravenwood.

First of all, he has a pretty awesome name that would work great in a movie title: "Abner Ravenwood And The ______" has the same kind of fun, pulpy sound to it that the Indiana Jones movies have always had.

And since he was something of a mentor to Indy, it would make sense for his adventures to be somewhat similar to Indy's adventures. Plus, they'd take place in the past, which I, personally, feel works better for this sort of thing than if they did a sequel spin-off about one of Indy's students or whatever.

And, finally, the most obvious advantage is that they wouldn't need to recast Indy. We've never seen Abner, so audiences would be much more accepting of whoever plays him (within reason, of course) than they would be of any attempts to recast Indy as a younger guy.

But, as others have said, it's unlikely that Disney would buy the Indy name, and then NOT use the name or character in future movies. So this probably won't happen, but I do think it would be a good way to make more "Indy" movies, despite the fact that they wouldn't be about Indy.
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Old 03-20-2017, 04:37 PM   #15
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I don't think we get a Ms. Indiana Jones (especially with Tomb Raider getting rebooted) -- not that I would mind with the right talent under the hat.

*cough* Charlize Theron *cough*


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Old 03-20-2017, 09:42 PM   #16
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*cough* Charlize Theron *cough*

[In my best Brad Pitt Fight Club voice]Exactly!

In all seriousness, Theron's performance in Fury Road had more Indiana Jones in it than anything Chris Pratt has ever put forth (and I'm a MCU junkie).


. . . .thinking about how Theron would work in the role. Since she is a little older, I would start with a story with a younger intro played by a young action vet, someone like Chloe Grace Moretz.


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Old 03-21-2017, 08:49 AM   #17
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Since she is a little older, I would start with a story with a younger intro played by a young action vet, someone like Chloe Grace Moretz.

Wait till you see Atomic Blond before you decide this premise.
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Old 03-22-2017, 07:37 PM   #18
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Wait till you see Atomic Blond before you decide this premise.

Wow. Looks like a heck of a movie -- like one from the '90's. Can't wait.



[. . .though, sadly, Ms. Theron isn't exactly looking young -- even accounting for the period lighting and the special effects makeup in half the scenes.]
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Wow. Looks like a heck of a movie -- like one from the '90's. Can't wait.



[. . .though, sadly, Ms. Theron isn't exactly looking young -- even accounting for the period lighting and the special effects makeup in half the scenes.]


She's 41. Wasn't Harrison Ford 39 when filming Raiders? 42 for Doom and 47 for Crusade?
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Old 03-24-2017, 05:53 AM   #21
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Well I guess if Disney went for a Miss Indiana Jones franchise, Charlize would be a good pick for the role.
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Old 03-30-2017, 06:52 PM   #22
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Tradition Prequel - Have them flash back to a younger Indy (early 1930's) in Indy 5 and introduce an actor who could take the reins as Indy in a prequel movie.

Successor-based Spin-off - Maybe you can introduce a new character in Indy 5 who would have the potential to wear the hat, but I think your best bet is to continue the story of Mutt. Recast Mutt (use Dave Franco or Scott Eastwood or something) and take that character new places and through new adventures. I definitely don't see them using Shia LaBeouf as a Successor though. I wouldn't want that anyway.

Traditional Reboot - I'm pretty skeptical about this option but you could also just recast Indy. I know that replacing Harrison Ford is a scary thought because of how much he is the Indy are one. But, Disney is already remaking a Han Solo. Theres NO way Disney is going to just let a huge franchise like that just end with one movie under their belt. I definitely don't want to see them destroy a great franchise though.
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Old 04-05-2017, 05:01 PM   #23
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Traditional or successor-based spin-off would be my favorite. Let Indy be Ford, and pass the mantle to someone else.

Funny thing occurred to a friend and I when we were watching Kingdom of the Crystal Skull: it would've been funny to watch a spin-off about the kid in the library at the end of the motorcycle chase. I mean, here's a guy who has his professor and a hooligan in a motorcycle pop out from underneath his desk after terrorizing half the library... and he's so completely unfazed that his reaction is to just "oh, Doctor Jones? I have a question about the readings..." I would freaking love to watch a movie in which he takes the "get out of the library!" advice to heart. Never happen, of course.
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Old 04-06-2017, 04:29 AM   #24
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HOW SOON we get another film after Indy 5 is probably going to have an impact on the kind of story they try to tell.

1-2 yrs window is most viable option for a Tradition sequel.
1-4 yr window if they go for a successor spin-off or a prequel that uses Ford in limited capacities.

If either the successor spin-off or traditional prequel don't have Ford, they and the Traditional spin-offs or prequel spin-offs could really be done at any time.

5+ yrs is where I'd peg either of the reboot options as possibilities. Either would mean that Indy 5 is Ford's last, and I absolutely cannot see them starting work on a reboot immediately after it. It would definitely have to wait a few years.

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But, as others have said, it's unlikely that Disney would buy the Indy name, and then NOT use the name or character in future movies.

This doesn't reflect the current media landscape, which is giving us things like a Rocky movie that doesn't have him in the main role or the title, and
a series of movies set in the Harry Potter world that doesn't feature Harry Potter.

The fact that a series originated with a title character no longer means that the original title character is necessary for the series to continue.
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Old 04-06-2017, 11:20 AM   #25
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I have a question on this. First of all- Indiana Jones 5 has been assured by Disney. However, is there any assurance that a sixth film is planned? I know that it's incredibly doubtful that Disney will just let it rest and move on to other things- but I was just curious if there was something to confirm that more movies are in fact coming.

I have another possibility that is not listed here though. My preferred option would be that Harrison Ford makes this 5th. Indiana Jones movie and then it all just stops. I have no interest in seeing further movies made without Ford as Indy.
(If I had to choose a successor though, I might like seeing Sean Patrick Flanery resume his role from The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles in the movies- but I doubt that would happen either.)

I hope that whatever Disney does doesn't throw out all the Expanded Universe stuff from the comics and novels and video games and rpgs and such- but we'll see what happens.
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