Stoo said:
??? The abundance of Go-Motion in "Doom" is a well-documented fact. (Do you really need reference for that?)
Yes. Provide the documentation Stoo, please! If it's SO Well Documented it should be easy. right?
Stoo said:
Don't blow things out of proportion, Rocket. I am not "marginalizing" the ENTIRE book.
I'm not, but is it better that you're just marginalizing the part the debunks your claim?
Stoo said:
Remember, you asked me to "interpret" the statements on those 2 pages and that's precisely what I did.
...and as I feared it seems you're lost in translation!
Stoo said:
Re: Rocket Surgeon, "Your fandom seems to blind your reason"
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Fandom of Starlog?
No, your fandom period.
Stoo said:
The issue had quotes from an animator and is not the only source of info regarding pre-"Dragonslayer" Go-Motion. (It's just the only one I can remember clearly and can pinpoint.)
What ever you say is the truth, it only goes to reason that your memories are enough to refute a text book!
Stoo said:
Re: Rocket Surgeon, "Induced blur is NOT Go-Motion. It's a technique unto itself,"
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I never claimed that it was. Please read again:
Induced blur is not a "technique" (as you called it). It's an "effect" and there are various "techniques" that can be used to achieve it. (Honestly, Rocket, if you're trying to educate me about animation then you can save your breath.)
No, but I can see, with the way you parse things, how you would think so.
Stoo said:
And...so...what? This is extremely weak. There are other "tasks" missing from the list, too (which is another example of simplification in the text of the ILM book). So according to you, if the "task" is not in that short paragraph, then it was never done?
No, please do not put "words in my posts" so to say. It's a fruitless task to try and prove a negative, why do you persist in asking me to?
Stoo said:
The brief list on this page is NOT complete so it can't be treated as gospel. Doing so only limits your view of the larger picture.
I never proported that it was all inclusive, yet for the sake of economy in writing it would have been simple and easy to note the beginnings of go-motion...which they did, Dragonslayer.
Really Stoo, the book plainly says, (and as you like to obsess...kiddiefied, so a child should be able to understand it) that at the time they were filming ESB Go-Motion was a thing of the future. You can recall whatever you choose, but it does NOT change that line of text.
Stoo said:
I was hoping this would be a sane and rational conversation but instead you type this garbage? (FYI, I don't even own "Off the Beaten Path".) Be real and not Herman Munster!
It was meant as an attempt at levity, I don't presume to know what you own...the shot was aimed squarely at the book and it's flaws.
Stoo said:
??? It proves that Go-Motion started with "Empire". Your reply proves that you'll spin anything to discredit the evidence and suit yourself .
...and Space Ghost proves there are Ghosts in Space.
I'm not spinning any thing...I'm quoting a book by and about the artists who created the effects. I'm affraid it's you who are spinning. You have no proof, just hearsay and recollections.
Stoo said:
The invention of Go-Mo was not an accidental "discovery" by ILM. The process was an intentional solution for creating blur with the latest technology (hence, "modern trick").
Provide a source that proves it was used in Raiders. You got that remote Indy fine, come on!
Stoo said:
To repeat, the method was already ESTABLISHED and had THE NAME, "go-motion", BEFORE the device for "Dragonslayer" was even built . The DEVICE was built in order to perfect the process and use it in a more controlled manner. Why is this so hard for someone of your intelligence to understand? It's not rocket science, Rocket Surgeon.
No it's not. It's simple lines from a text book, not some mish mashed collection of memories all stirred up in a stew, stoo!
Stoo said:
Wow. Rocket did some googling and gave himself a crash-course on animation blur. Nice try but you've excluded some other methods (which I guess DON'T EXIST because, according to your logic, they weren't mentioned in your internet search.) If you're feeling so Google Happy, why not do a search for Go-Motion in "Empire"?
Again I'm not tring to be inclusive but to at LEAST provide some basis other then foggy memories for my assertions!
Stoo said:
Now you've completely lost scope. Creating a blur effect with the use of a motion-control system (designed by ILM) is the VERY BASIS of Go-Motion! If you're going to dismiss the relevant quotes from your own ILM book with cheap shots about my ability to "walk before running", then it's quite clear you still have a lot to learn.
Yes, the VERY basis...ahem The walk before the run.
Stoo said:
I run quite well, thanks, but you're either still crawling or your legs have failed and you've nothing left to stand on.
You're taking this VERY personally, but simply saying this means you've simply said things. Talk is cheap...provide a reference and proof other then interpretations and memories.
Stoo said:
There's no "redefining" going on. The problem here is your misunderstanding & definition of what Go-Motion actually is. (Have you reviewed the jeep shot with an objective eye, as suggested?)
Have you found ANY shred of proof to support your game of Jenga?
Stoo said:
Re: Remote controlled periscope Indy
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Erm...You said "I've NEVER read that before. Where did you get that one?" but now it has become "I didn't remember that..." Talk about revisionist...
Uh, they're not mutually exclusive statement sweetheart. Instead of picking a point of concession, why don't you try to prove you irrational statements!
Stoo said:
Your whole post doesn't provide anything other than disparaging comments and a completely pointless "lesson" on known, motion-blur techniques of the past. It's a mystery as to why you choose to ignore & disrespect what I've presented, all the while displaying unabashed belligerence.
Well, you're taking things the wrong way, which is to be expected they way you "interpret" the text of the book.
Stoo said:
You want to "fight" but you have nothing to "fight" with other than 2 skimpy sentences from the ILM book
...and you're coming to this gun fight with a knife, a plasic one at that which has been left in the heat too long and is quite limp.
Hmmm, your "memories" or an ILM book, hmmmm...Stoo's opinion or a documented fact? Hmmmm...
Stoo said:
and a repetative barrage of condescending insults. Way to go, Rocket...
(singing) "If you don't know me by now..."
Really, you should lighten up!
Stoo said:
Until you realize/acknowledge that Go-Motion began with "Empire", continuing this conversation about the "Raiders" shot is futile. I can't believe you're actually arguing about this.
Sorry, I'm just not going to take your word on something that a ILM book refutes.
Stoo said:
As for the "Starlog" quotes, I can't provide them because they're sitting in a box in storage very far away. (However, I did point out the exact issue, #37, so go buy it off ebay and read it.)
I did my research...not going to do yours sweetheart!