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Old 05-15-2008, 02:05 PM   #26
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I just plowed through 5 discs of Corey Carrier, which I had never seen. So, Indiana was a female dog, and Indy speaks of a sister named Susie who died young?! News to me.

It has its moments. Carrier's age fluctuations aren't a problem, and he acts rings around the Phantom Menace kid (no great feat). But unless he's wandering off making mischief, it's dullsville. The Puccini half in Florence where he's sidelined is dreadful and predictable. They didn't even bother to weave operatic themes into the plot: no 'tainment, no edu-. The set decorators are the stars here in this obligatory look at pre-war Europe and beyond.
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Old 05-15-2008, 02:40 PM   #27
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I finally picked up Volume 1 last Sunday and finished watching it last night. I love this show. I did watch it when it was originally on, but haven't not seen it since. Never had any recordings on video or the previous VHS releases, and never saw any of the later reedited versions done in the mid-90s, so this was almost like watching a brand new show for me.

It is kind of annoying that the plot suddenly wraps up and changes to a new story about halfway through, but once you get pass that slight awkwardness, it's not too bad. I enjoyed all of the episodes and was pleasantly surprised to find it even better than I remembered it being. The loss of the Old Indy bookends and other bits and pieces don't really bother me since I'm not exactly used to the original episodes, though I do wish Lucas had just approached this like any other regular series with individual 40-something minute episodes that play out in a usual fashion. From what I understand, episodes originally jumped around in continuity from one week to the next, so it's no wonder the show had the audience reception it did. And I still wish there had been some bonus features related to the show itself, like commentaries, cast/crew interviews, "making of" documentary.

But either way, I'm very impressed with this show. I finished off Volume 1 much sooner than I thought I would, so now I'm anxious to get the next two and work my way through those episodes. Looking forward to it.

Oh yeah, I love Lloyd Owen as Henry Sr. I was wondering if he'd been cast because of his voice or if he had purposely studied Connery in order to do a "younger" impression. But he nailed it perfectly, and at times sounds exactly like Connery, especially those "Junior!" moments. I just wish he was in more episodes.
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Old 05-16-2008, 08:53 AM   #28
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"I finally picked up Volume 1 last Sunday and finished watching it last night. I love this show. I did watch it when it was originally on, but haven't not seen it since. Never had any recordings on video or the previous VHS releases, and never saw any of the later reedited versions done in the mid-90s, so this was almost like watching a brand new show for me.

It is kind of annoying that the plot suddenly wraps up and changes to a new story about halfway through, but once you get pass that slight awkwardness, it's not too bad. I enjoyed all of the episodes and was pleasantly surprised to find it even better than I remembered it being. The loss of the Old Indy bookends and other bits and pieces don't really bother me since I'm not exactly used to the original episodes, though I do wish Lucas had just approached this like any other regular series with individual 40-something minute episodes that play out in a usual fashion. From what I understand, episodes originally jumped around in continuity from one week to the next, so it's no wonder the show had the audience reception it did. And I still wish there had been some bonus features related to the show itself, like commentaries, cast/crew interviews, "making of" documentary.

But either way, I'm very impressed with this show. I finished off Volume 1 much sooner than I thought I would, so now I'm anxious to get the next two and work my way through those episodes. Looking forward to it.

Oh yeah, I love Lloyd Owen as Henry Sr. I was wondering if he'd been cast because of his voice or if he had purposely studied Connery in order to do a "younger" impression. But he nailed it perfectly, and at times sounds exactly like Connery, especially those "Junior!" moments. I just wish he was in more episodes."


I agree, Volume 1 of the YIJC is excellent. It's probably my least favorite of all three volumes, but it's still great. I appreciated it a lot more after watching it last October than I did when I first saw the episodes back in the '90's.

Corey Carrier as the small IJ may be insignificant to some, but in many of these shows you see hints of who the IJ character will become later. However, these episodes are great in their own right as well.

Some of my favorites from the Volume 1 Correy Carrier episodes include: Peking 1910, British East Africa 1909, Benares 1910, France 1909? (with Picasso), "Travels with Father", Vienna 1909? (with Princess Sopie), and most of the others.
The episode where Carrier is obviously older (because it was filmed much later) is somewhat off-putting, but I do understand the reasons behind this.

Also, it's very significant that in these episodes you see the good relationship he had with his mother, making the later SPF episodes where he talks about her very poignant.

Also great in Volume 1 were the first four SPF episodes, "Princeton 1916, Mexico 1916, Ireland 1916, and London 1916". London is probably one of the best episodes in the series.
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Old 05-16-2008, 01:22 PM   #29
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I agree, Volume 1 of the YIJC is excellent. It's probably my least favorite of all three volumes, but it's still great. I appreciated it a lot more after watching it last October than I did when I first saw the episodes back in the '90's.

Yeah, I feel the same way. While I remember watching the series back in the early-90s, I think I remember being a little disappointed that it wasn't just all adventure and treasure seeking like the movies, so I probably enjoy it much more nowadays than I did back then.

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Corey Carrier as the small IJ may be insignificant to some, but in many of these shows you see hints of who the IJ character will become later. However, these episodes are great in their own right as well.

I loved little Indy! I thought Corey Carrier did a great job, and I wish there had been more episodes with him. The noticable age difference from Egypt to Tangiers was a little jarring, but not too bad.

I loved some of his antics, too, like telling about how they make mummies during dinner and forcing everybody out of the room, when he's playing with the baseball in the train car and wakes everyone up when he loses control of it and breaks things, or the chaos he causes during the party at the beginning of "Russia 1910." Haha!!

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Some of my favorites from the Volume 1 Correy Carrier episodes include: Peking 1910, British East Africa 1909, Benares 1910, France 1909? (with Picasso), "Travels with Father", Vienna 1909? (with Princess Sopie), and most of the others.

I loved "Travels with Father." I don't recall those episodes from the original run, but I think that was my favorite of the Carrier bunch. I wish there had been more father-son episodes like that. I like how both of them were worried about having to be together when Anna was going to leave for a few days.
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Old 05-19-2008, 01:33 PM   #30
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I loved some of his antics, too, like telling about how they make mummies during dinner and forcing everybody out of the room, when he's playing with the baseball in the train car and wakes everyone up when he loses control of it and breaks things, or the chaos he causes during the party at the beginning of "Russia 1910." Haha!!"



Those were great scenes. His mischievousness reminds me of a couple of cousins I have - they're older now, but when they were younger they would be disruptive like that.

Also very funny was the scene when he got the better of the would-be horse thief in the China 1910 episode, and laughed about it - hilarious.
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Old 05-19-2008, 05:27 PM   #31
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Those were great scenes. His mischievousness reminds me of a couple of cousins I have - they're older now, but when they were younger they would be disruptive like that.

Also very funny was the scene when he got the better of the would-be horse thief in the China 1910 episode, and laughed about it - hilarious.


There is a scene in the very first episode, when he hits the baseball through the window, and he gets a look *exactly* like my 5 year old. I could totally see my kids doing the stuff he did if we didn't have video games. Even then, they still get into plenty of misadventures!
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Old 10-22-2008, 03:37 PM   #32
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A big thumbs to Travels With Father! I really enjoyed the portrayal of Tolstoy. Having watched his documentary beforehand made me think that when Indy encountered him that it might have been his final walk, but that would have made for a depressing way to wrap the episode. I loved Indy's comeuppance at the end when he offered to introduce a flabbergasted Henry!
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Old 10-23-2008, 05:07 AM   #33
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We got a release of the first volume here in the Netherlands as well. Picked it up and sat down with a friend to watch the first episode, "My First Adventure". Maybe I was expecting too much, but I thought it was pretty boring. Indy unravels a "complicated" murder mystery but halfway the movie it's all suddenly done, he makes friends with slave and the other half of the film they are kidnapped by slave traders. And Lawrence of Arabia coincidentally happened to be in the neighbourhood, riding his bike through the desert. "Mister Lawrence!"... I don't mean to sound sour, but is the whole season like this? I remember watching an episode or two when I was young, where Indy was in his twenties and I think I liked it back then. Maybe this is just not for me, but are there any episodes in the first set that are better then the first one?
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Old 10-23-2008, 07:20 AM   #34
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Tat little story line stopped bacause it are episodes editted together into movies, the stories continues with older Indy, which you can see in Spring Break Adventure.
But I like the teenage Indy episodes better as well, there are 2 of them in the first set, though Travels With father, with little Indy, is pretty good as well.

But I'm looking forward the Volume 2: The War Years, might be the bet set of the 3, Indy in the trenches
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Old 10-23-2008, 08:05 AM   #35
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Don#t judge it by My first Adventure, Please, its the worst episode of the entire series in how its currently presented. Persist!! You won't regret it. I can't watch that episode anymore, yet I think its the best series in the world, so... PERSIST!!
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Old 10-23-2008, 09:48 AM   #36
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We got a release of the first volume here in the Netherlands as well. Picked it up and sat down with a friend to watch the first episode, "My First Adventure". Maybe I was expecting too much, but I thought it was pretty boring. Indy unravels a "complicated" murder mystery but halfway the movie it's all suddenly done, he makes friends with slave and the other half of the film they are kidnapped by slave traders. And Lawrence of Arabia coincidentally happened to be in the neighbourhood, riding his bike through the desert. "Mister Lawrence!"... I don't mean to sound sour, but is the whole season like this? I remember watching an episode or two when I was young, where Indy was in his twenties and I think I liked it back then. Maybe this is just not for me, but are there any episodes in the first set that are better then the first one?

Though I am generally not a fan of the old Indy (George Hall) bookends, I will admit that the original presentation of the "Egypt 1908 and "Mexico 1916" adventure (with the bookends) is the best - this was broadcast as "Curse of the Jackal" back in 1992 on U.S. TV, as the first episode of the series.
One of the reasons this worked so well is that the Old Indy segments in COTJ really served to link both episodes, something that was definitely lost completely when "Egypt 1908" was modified as "My First Adventure" - this was exacerabated by the fact that the second half of MFA featured an obviously older C. Carrier, which didn't help the continuity issue much...
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Old 10-23-2008, 06:56 PM   #37
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I agree. The first one was probably the strangest of them all with how it was edited together. We just finished Volume 2 and have really been enjoying them.

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Don#t judge it by My first Adventure, Please, its the worst episode of the entire series in how its currently presented. Persist!! You won't regret it. I can't watch that episode anymore, yet I think its the best series in the world, so... PERSIST!!
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Old 10-24-2008, 12:41 AM   #38
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The first one was probably the strangest of them all with how it was edited together.

It angries up the blood...
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Old 10-24-2008, 10:19 PM   #39
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I blew thru those first ones so quickly that I missed a lot of details. Now I'm taking my time to soak up more nuances and watching each a couple of times over. But I distinctly remember that first ep having a lot going for it. I really enjoyed the opening sequence with baby Indy and Cory's voiceover.

I'm very guilty of watching stuff on TV with half the attention it deserves, mainly because I'm usually doing something while it's on and I drift in and out of the room. Also because it gives everything I watch immense replay value, as I'm always catching things on the next go-round.

For instance, in Travels with Father, Tolstoy and Indy apparently introduce themselves off-camera. Indy refers to him several times as Lev, which I didn't get. This caused me to look up Leo online where I discovered Lev was his given name. I kept going back and looking for a scene where they revealed their names, but it's just not there. I thought that was an interesting creative choice, since that would be a common type of scene (indeed, even within the scope of the show itself).

My guess is this is one of the edits that cause long-term fans the most problems, since I don't remember the two episodes being strongly connected and Cory is noticeably older in the 2nd ep. But if this was the one with the African music, then I am gonna be extremely biased toward it anyway.

On my end, I thought it was a bit of a stretch to have Lawrence in Arabia years before the war started, although I understand them taking some liberties with the general era. This one in particular stand out to me as too much since they do cover the war years later, as I understand.

I'm just now getting ready to watch my first ep with a teenage Indy!
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Old 10-26-2008, 05:06 AM   #40
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Alright guys, thanks, I'm going to give it another chance then, see if it will grow on me a bit.
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Old 10-26-2008, 07:06 AM   #41
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Not so much a stretch as a bit of creative genius VF wing. It may be a bit ham fisted the way Ned is introduced, but Lawrence was in the middle East at the time, and was an archaeologist, so having him cycle over is not too much of a stretch of the imagination. He was a crazy guy, wishing to do his masters Thesis on Crusader Castles, he bought a gun an set off to the middle East alone, he was robbed once, and had to shoot at someone to scare them off at another point, but the sands of Arabia left an indelible mark on his psyche.

Whats so great about this in the context of Young Indy is how Ned basically forms the framework for Indy's growth and adventures. As you'll see, its because of Ned Indy becomes an archaeologist, its because of Ned Indy fights in the war, the way the use Ned in both the episodes hes in and the ones where hes merely refered to is, in my opinion, one of the best things about Young Indy, you'll see for yourself how their relationship evolves.

My problem with the episode is not Ned then, but its the way the murder mystery resolves itself, why in the name of Nebechudnezzer would demitrios leave his Detonating plunger with the mummy? It simply makes no sense whatsoever... that and how it just suddenly ends and transitions into the Morrocco sequence, its just not well done at all.
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Old 10-27-2008, 12:52 AM   #42
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Okay, after watching Spring Break Adventure (more on it later), I of course had to go right back to My First Adventure, since they are directly connected by Dmitri (sp?) and the Jackal.

The murder mystery is the part that I glazed over before , and still have yet to view properly. But the first part of the episode is pure magic. Yes, I really do have to concur that Lawrence had a dramatic impact on young Indy. From equating the world's assorted belief systems to quelling the all-too-natural tendency to seek treasures of the past for profit, it's clear that his fireside chat had a profound impact on the boy. It was a wonderfully written and played scene. This is the Origin of Indiana Jones.

Where I was having issues before with Lawrence's presence in Egypt was due to my misunderstanding that he didn't travel to the Middle East until the war was underway. Again I'm looking this stuff up online after the fact and further discovering that he was a truly fascinating and admirable individual. That's the highest kudo I can give to this show, is that it encourages learning. My whole life I've believed Lawrence of Arabia was a fictional character from a movie.

And... I don't wanna know too much about it beforehand, but I'm now really looking forward to Ned's eventual return in the series!
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So what did you think of Sean's first episode?
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Old 10-28-2008, 03:56 PM   #44
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Where I was having issues before with Lawrence's presence in Egypt was due to my misunderstanding that he didn't travel to the Middle East until the war was underway. Again I'm looking this stuff up online after the fact and further discovering that he was a truly fascinating and admirable individual. That's the highest kudo I can give to this show, is that it encourages learning. My whole life I've believed Lawrence of Arabia was a fictional character from a movie.
If you stick with it (and would be wise to do) you're in for a ride, vf wing! Not sure how old you are but you blew my socks off with your "Lawrence of Arabia" revelation
even though it's nothing to be ashamed of. Your "highest kudo" is right on the mark since, along with some great adventure, you gain historical/philosophical knowledge.
Sometimes, the lessons are a too forced but the pay-off in the end cannot be denied.

Being already familiar with some of the characters when the series aired (Selous, von Lettow, Meinertzhagen, Australian Light Horse, etc.), I was learning new things
about them and was amazed at how dead-on the details were after doing some more research. Some detractors to Young Indy say how impossible it would have been
for him to meet all these important figures but the path of Indy's life weaves right into the "hot spots" of early 20th century history. Lawrence in Egypt in 1908
is one of the larger stretches (Jeremiah explained it so well that I have nothing to add) and if you get over that leap, the rest almost naturally falls into place.

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And... I don't wanna know too much about it beforehand, but I'm now really looking forward to Ned's eventual return in the series!
The only thing I will say is that it's a different actor and that Ned/T.E. & Demetrios are not the only characters from Egypt to re-appear.
Down the road, there is another...and it's not Rashid 'cause he's dead.

As you go along, there are threads in this section on each, individual chapter that could use a bump!
Much more specific discussion to be had should you ever feel so inclined.

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why in the name of Nebechudnezzer would demitrios leave his Detonating plunger with the mummy? It simply makes no sense whatsoever...
Ha. Ha! You're funny. Yes, it makes no sense whatsoever. Anyway, the original ending is better, where we are told that Demetrios escapes
and T.E. misses the boat by 5 minutes.

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Alright guys, thanks, I'm going to give it another chance then, see if it will grow on me a bit.
You will probably enjoy Volume 2 & 3 a great deal more. If you get hooked, you will then probably want to re-visit #1 and see it in a new light.
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Old 10-29-2008, 02:19 PM   #45
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Demitrious: I've hidden it, you'll never find it!!

Lawrence: Really? For some reason I'll believe you and not bother searching you. Right, I'd better let you go then

Demitrious: Are you sure? I mean you could have me arrested, threaten to beat me up, I dunno, have me black listed or something.

Lawrence: Too much effort really

Demitrious: Spose you're right, I guess its off to mexico then

(queue mexican guitar thing - aka - demitrious's theme)

The best thing about Young Indy is how various different elements, Characters, plot points etc, come together towards the end in very natural ways. When he references things hes dones, or when he meets people again... it really makes it more real for me, especially that 'other' character from Chapter 1 Stoo mentioned. In fact the episode where he reaccurs is one I'm fond of for precisely that reason, continuity is great when you're a fan. A reward for paying attention
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Old 10-29-2008, 04:44 PM   #46
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I have finally been able to buy the first DVD Volume (the others will follow suit), and watched the first episode - I realized it's the first time I've seen this edit and the Tangiers part.

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Yes, it makes no sense whatsoever. Anyway, the original ending is better, where we are told that Demetrios escapes
and T.E. misses the boat by 5 minutes.

Yeah, I was very surprised - why did they change it like that? The original ending at least leaves things open for Indy to find him again years later; now they apprehend him, and let him go?
I also loved the original - the idea to hop on one's bike to go after a murderer - and then miss him by a mere five minutes! So... British and pre-cellular phones
It would also have worked better I think - now the transition is just abrupt.
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Old 10-30-2008, 09:40 AM   #47
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I'm making my way through volume 1 now too. Watched the first "teenage" Indy episode last night (the Thomas Edison Ep). I'm a bit disapointed that the Intro's and Outro's aren't on the boxed sets. Did they omit Harrison Fords Intro and Outro in the last season during the Jazz episode?

That's a damn Greek tragedy if they did... it was like 95% of the reason I was buying these in the first place.
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Did they omit Harrison Fords Intro and Outro in the last season during the Jazz episode?
Nope, Ford's scenes are all there.
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So what did you think of Sean's first episode?
My first impression is hit & miss. By its reference in the new movie, this is the one that first made me see how essential the series probably would become to my viewing. It all seemed to kind of fly by. It was cool to see him in an "at home" environment, but I'm glad they didn't keep him there very long. I loved that Indy was an inspiration for the Tom Swift novels, when in real life it was quite the opposite!

What was most interesting to me was seeing him his destiny completely opened by the end. I wish in a way they had spent more time dealing with his mother's passing, but can understand why they might not dwell too much on it.
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If you stick with it (and would be wise to do) you're in for a ride, vf wing! Not sure how old you are but you blew my socks off with your "Lawrence of Arabia" revelation
even though it's nothing to be ashamed of. Your "highest kudo" is right on the mark since, along with some great adventure, you gain historical/philosophical knowledge.
Sometimes, the lessons are a too forced but the pay-off in the end cannot be denied.
Oh, I'll be sticking with it alright! I'm sorta committed since I already purchased all three box sets. I'm 38, but not too old for a little schooling!
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Being already familiar with some of the characters when the series aired (Selous, von Lettow, Meinertzhagen, Australian Light Horse, etc.), I was learning new things
about them and was amazed at how dead-on the details were after doing some more research. Some detractors to Young Indy say how impossible it would have been
for him to meet all these important figures but the path of Indy's life weaves right into the "hot spots" of early 20th century history. Lawrence in Egypt in 1908
is one of the larger stretches (Jeremiah explained it so well that I have nothing to add) and if you get over that leap, the rest almost naturally falls into place.
The character himself is so much larger than life it seems that his own experiences would almost have to be dominated by historical figures and events of equal stature. I can definitely deal!
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The only thing I will say is that it's a different actor and that Ned/T.E. & Demetrios are not the only characters from Egypt to re-appear.
Down the road, there is another...and it's not Rashid 'cause he's dead.

As you go along, there are threads in this section on each, individual chapter that could use a bump!
Much more specific discussion to be had should you ever feel so inclined.
Appreciate the tantalizing preview without spoilage! My fear of being spoiled is what's keeping me from digging into those more specific threads. There's also so much going on in each episode and I am almost always multitasking while viewing that I need repeated viewings before I feel comfy discussing things more in-depth in the appropriate threads. Chances are excellent those forays await in the days to come!
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Old 12-29-2008, 03:30 PM   #50
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Volume 1 of the YIJC is probably the most underrated of all of the sets. Though it is not as good as Volumes 2 and 3, it is still excellent and has some great episodes/tele-films.

One of my favorites is the Chinese episode where Little Indy gets very sick and has to be nursed back to health by a local doctor.

Also very good was the episode with Picasso and Norman Rockwell, as well as the Teddy Roosevelt/Africa episode.

And, of course this Volume has the Mexican episode where the teenage Indy meets Remy for the first time.

Probably the best episode in Volume 1, however, is where Indy goes to London in preparation for going off to WW I - superb.
I actually think this episode is probably the turning point in the series since it is the preamble to Indy's fighting in WW I, which is the focal point of Volume 2 and carries over into Volume 3.
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