who likes it?

who likes KotCS?

  • i do

    Votes: 118 81.4%
  • i don't

    Votes: 27 18.6%

  • Total voters
    145

Col. Detritch

New member
Originally Posted by Montana Smith
Indiana Jones as a series is one of those 'family projects' that, as fans, we can appreciate (as with the original three Star Wars films). By 'family', I mean that many of the same production crew and actors stayed with the project, giving it greater continuity, and the feeling that there is more to this series than a simple money-spinner. When I watch a Steven Seagal or a Jean-Claude van Damme action movie (which I don't often do!) I don't see much love for the project - they might as well be straight to DVD 'quick buck' movies: all action and no heart.

When I watch KOTCS, with all its faults, I still see the spriit of an Indiana Jones movie, albeit updated by the nature of the technical ability available to it. Without CGI Lucas wouldn't have attempted the ants or the monkeys, or maybe even the 'aliens'. The technical ability of the age can sometimes be a temptation too far (as I believe it was with the Star Wars prequels, Episodes I-III). The kids will demand a great spectacle in return for their cash. Yet, for me, Harrison himself helps to keep KOTCS on track. I don't see him as anything other than the older version of the character we first saw in Raiders.

Yes! :gun: Nailed it! That is exactly how I feel and its a shame that not all film series can be like this instead of a sequle because the first made money!:mad:

And Montana you got it again, Indy is all about escaping impossible odds and impossible situations in heroic and impossible ways. Plus Indy had to witness the mushroom cloud it was an important symbol. Frankly I'm surprised it wasn't on any of the posters.:hat:
 

Mickiana

Well-known member
Many of the exciting moments in Raiders were about plausibility. Dodging flying darts, jumping over a deep pit, scrambling under a quickly descending wall, out running a huge boulder, running away from natives, leaping from a horse onto a moving truck and running away in time from an exploding plane are all plausible. The fridge escape was implausible. I'm not saying I didn't like it, but it's fair to say it was implausible. The reason why we are discussing the faults of KotCS is because of the plausibility of those marvelous scenes from Raiders. Raiders had a good balance of plausible and implausible. The Ark and its ghouls are implausible and we know that. KotCS chose a balance weighted towards implausible, that's all.
 

Darth Vile

New member
Mickiana said:
Many of the exciting moments in Raiders were about plausibility. Dodging flying darts, jumping over a deep pit, scrambling under a quickly descending wall, out running a huge boulder, running away from natives, leaping from a horse onto a moving truck and running away in time from an exploding plane are all plausible. The fridge escape was implausible. I'm not saying I didn't like it, but it's fair to say it was implausible. The reason why we are discussing the faults of KotCS is because of the plausibility of those marvelous scenes from Raiders. Raiders had a good balance of plausible and implausible. The Ark and its ghouls are implausible and we know that. KotCS chose a balance weighted towards implausible, that's all.

I think you are right in that Raiders does keep on the right side of plausibility (even though some of the scenarios push credibility)... and I also think it's one of the reasons why the movie works better. The impossible situations of KOTCS are much closer in terms of “reality” to those of TOD and TLC. And if comparing/contrasting, it's best to use the sequels as opposed to Raiders (as Raiders is nigh on pitch perfect).
 

Mickiana

Well-known member
I did like KotCS and I do have my criticisms of it, but I'm just wondering if Indy5 might be a bit darker, since they have already revived the series with a more family friendly and broader demographic appeal. If you think about it now, Indy has been reintroduced to older fans and new ones now, so they could afford to take a gamble and make an edgier movie. This is a bit off topic in one way, but it's just thinking about the role of KotCS as a segue to an Indy flick that is closer to the original standard.
 

Darth Vile

New member
I'd certainly like to see an "edgier" and "darker" Indy movie, but unfortunately I think that vision conflicts with what Spielberg/Lucas and Ford want. If Indy V does happen (given that it would probably be the last Ford Indiana Jones movie), logic dictates that it will be in a very similar vein to KOTCS i.e. very family orientated and somewhat "lightweight" in tone. I think the most we can hope for at this stage is possibly more location shooting, maybe less unwarranted CGI in the form of gophers/monkeys... and a movie that perhaps doesn't try to be all things to all Indy fans (which I think is what they strived for with KOTCS).

Ultimately, we may have to wait until Ford hands over the hat for that "edgier" movie. ;)
 

lilp1976

New member
Montana Smith said:
The monkeys in KOTCS reflect the intelligent monkey in Raiders.

.... and at least the series shows consistency in its lunacy. Commie-bashing monkeys are, ideologically speaking, in with the Nazi-sympathising monkey in Raiders.

The ideology of monkeys laid bare in the Indiana Jones series. They're all fascists.
 

Col. Detritch

New member
Originally Posted by lilp1976
.... and at least the series shows consistency in its lunacy. Commie-bashing monkeys are, ideologically speaking, in with the Nazi-sympathising monkey in Raiders.

The ideology of monkeys laid bare in the Indiana Jones series. They're all fascists.

I like that theory :p !

Not to draw the subject away from Indy but like with what Mickiana said about the KotCS 'venting' that family friendly side of the franchise and subsequently Indy V being darker, the same thing has already happened with the 007 movies. Back in 2002 we got Die Another Day which went back to the 'original' over-the-top Bond themes of late Connery and some of the Moore films (and the movie had mixed reviews might I add) and then we plunged into Casino Royale which was darker and closer to Fleming's original character (a huge success btw). This sort of thing happens all the time and I can't see why Indy would be an exception!:hat:
 

IndyFan89

Member
Montana Smith, you are a enabler, that is someone who emables bad behaviour. Would you give kids crack? Or Pot? No...but you would feed them poopy. Because letting someone watch that movie is feeding someone poopy and Geroge Lucas made tons of money from feeding you poopy.
 

Darth Vile

New member
IndyFan89 said:
Montana Smith, you are a enabler, that is someone who emables bad behaviour. Would you give kids crack? Or Pot? No...but you would feed them poopy. Because letting someone watch that movie is feeding someone poopy and Geroge Lucas made tons of money from feeding you poopy.

What a really sad thing to think, let alone write...
 

Montana Smith

Active member
IndyFan89 said:
Montana Smith, you are a enabler, that is someone who emables bad behaviour. Would you give kids crack? Or Pot? No...but you would feed them poopy. Because letting someone watch that movie is feeding someone poopy and Geroge Lucas made tons of money from feeding you poopy.

Not really an Indy Fan are we? KOTCS was sanctioned by the same George Lucas who created Indy, and sanctioned all four films. Following your odd logic uncle George sucked you in as well. Good and proper. As a matter of fact, George didn't make any money from feeding me KOTCS - I bought the DVD cheap secondhand.

Consider yourself ignored, unless you have the inclination to argue a point.
 

The Drifter

New member
IndyFan89 said:
Montana Smith, you are a enabler, that is someone who emables bad behaviour. Would you give kids crack? Or Pot? No...but you would feed them poopy. Because letting someone watch that movie is feeding someone poopy and Geroge Lucas made tons of money from feeding you poopy.

Poopy? Come on, seriously; poopy!?
I liked KotCS, but not as well as some people. But, please learn how to troll the right way. Take some pointers from the legends out there.

Poopy?
*chuckles*
 

Montana Smith

Active member
Lonsome_Drifter said:
Poopy? Come on, seriously; poopy!?
I liked KotCS, but not as well as some people. But, please learn how to troll the right way. Take some pointers from the legends out there.

Poopy?
*chuckles*

Maybe baby did a poopy in his nappy, and now needs changing? It's a cry for help! Even Stewie in Family Guy can't change his own nappy, even though he's capable of constructing weapons of mass destruction!
 

Dr.Jonesy

Well-known member
I love it. (y)

Though that damn Monkey part and some of the jungle chase and rubber tree part just....I don't like at all.

But still, doesn't ruin the film for me.
 

bennihana123

New member
You know, if it wasn't an Indiana Jones film, I would love it, because it wouldn't have had certain expectations set up for it.

However, it is and Indiana Jones film, so of course I like it. Love it, no.
 
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