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Old 02-25-2011, 07:01 PM   #26
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Columbus may not have discovered the Americas. But, he did open it for the Europeans of that time to sail over here and settle. It depends on your own views if that was a good or bad thing.
So his mistake was a great gain for those involved after a few decades.
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Old 02-25-2011, 07:08 PM   #27
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Columbus may not have discovered the Americas. But, he did open it for the Europeans of that time to sail over here and settle. It depends on your own views if that was a good or bad thing.

I mean, it was a good thing and a bad thing, or maybe just, quite simply, a thing that happened, an event, with ramifications ranging from smallpox to settlements. There'd be a vastly different history if it weren't for Columbus, that's for sure, even if he didn't know what he'd actually found. (Although, obviously, somebody would have gotten over to the Western hemisphere from the Eastern sooner rather than later, even if it didn't happen in 1492.)
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Old 02-25-2011, 07:14 PM   #28
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Indeed.

You've been liking the word Indeed alot lately havn't you?
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Old 02-25-2011, 07:17 PM   #29
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I mean, it was a good thing and a bad thing, or maybe just, quite simply, a thing that happened, an event, with ramifications ranging from smallpox to settlements. There'd be a vastly different history if it weren't for Columbus, that's for sure, even if he didn't know what he'd actually found. (Although, obviously, somebody would have gotten over to the Western hemisphere from the Eastern sooner rather than later, even if it didn't happen in 1492.)

Yes, I think that it had tons of negative effects to the Native-Americas and even to the ecosystem/wilderness when the Europeans arrived. But, I can also find some pros in it as well.
It just depends on who you ask, but one can't deny the facts (like the smallpox, the annexation of the Native-Americans, etc).

And, yes. Sooner or later some country would have been exploring these coastal waters and happen upon the Americas, and the same thing would have most likely happened. One can't blame Columbus, he just made a mistake in finding a trade route to India. It would have happened regardless.
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It would have happened regardless.

... Indeed.
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Old 02-25-2011, 07:34 PM   #31
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Indeed, though it also has something to say about the "respectable" explorer bit, both a little bit directly and a lot more through implication.

Indeed.
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Old 02-25-2011, 07:52 PM   #32
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Indeed.

I disagree with this statement with every ounce of my being!
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Old 02-25-2011, 07:54 PM   #33
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I disagree with this statement with every ounce of my being!

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Old 02-25-2011, 07:58 PM   #34
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Indeed.

But, I happen to agree with this one! Bravo!
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Old 02-25-2011, 08:25 PM   #35
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Guys. . .
What's this... Indeed business.
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Old 02-25-2011, 08:27 PM   #36
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Guys. . .
What's this... Indeed business.

Indeed?
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Old 02-25-2011, 08:40 PM   #37
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... Indeed.
"Indeed", indeed!
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What's this... Indeed business.
Say something substantial and people won't make fun of you. You're killing your own thread. It ain't rocket science.
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Which one sounds better to me.
"Christopher Coumbus, respectable explorer, discovers today's North America"
or
"Random china man and his crew lost an achor, dropped scrap metal, and scurried back to Asia after stumbling upon today's North America"
Why is Chris Columbus a "respectable explorer" but a "random china man" is not?
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Old 02-25-2011, 09:00 PM   #38
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"IndeedWhy is Chris Columbus a "respectable explorer" but a "random china man" is not?

Think about that one, friend.

Which one sounds more respectable.
-Christopher Columbus
-Random China man.



As for adding something substantial. I've made more words than the past three "Indeed" posts combined.
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Old 02-25-2011, 09:06 PM   #39
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As for adding something substantial. I've made more words than the past three "Indeed" posts combined.

Indeed.

But they still don't make any sense.
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Indeed.

But they still don't make any sense.

. . .

... Opinions vary.
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Old 02-25-2011, 09:57 PM   #41
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Which one sounds more respectable.
-Christopher Columbus
-Random China man.
You started this thread about the possibilty that North America might have been 'discovered' by the Chinese but "hate" the theory because "random China man" doesn't sound respectable. You're a real winner.
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As for adding something substantial. I've made more words than the past three "Indeed" posts combined.
We're glad for you. Like the # of post counts, the # of words mean squat if they have no substance...and, Lord knows, yours hold none.
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Old 02-25-2011, 10:03 PM   #42
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You started this thread about the possibilty that North America might have been 'discovered' by the Chinese but "hate" the theory because "random China man" doesn't sound respectable. You're a real winner.
We're glad for you. Like the # of post counts, the # of words mean squat if they have no substance...and, Lord knows, yours hold none.

Gee thanks Stoo.
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Old 02-25-2011, 10:22 PM   #43
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Disco, you created this thread. Do you truly wish to discuss the topic or are you simply here to act like an idiot?

Once again, why do you "hate" this theory?
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Old 02-25-2011, 10:31 PM   #44
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Disco, you created this thread. Do you truly wish to discuss the topic or are you simply here to act like an idiot?

Once again, why do you "hate" this theory?

No I created this thread a while back when I still cared and was curious.

As soon as you stop insulting me, I'll stop acting like an idiot Sir Stoo Alot.

You gonna stop?

If so. I told you earlier, Stoo. I just think it sounds better with Christopher Columbus. Besides, I just don't want to give anything to China, I dislike the them.

It's a personal thing. You can go about it however you want.
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I just think it sounds better with Christopher Columbus. Besides, I just don't want to give anything to China, I dislike the them.
"Them". Why do you not like China?

P.S. Whether you like the Chinese or not, what does present day China have to do with a centuries-old, "random China man"?

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Old 02-25-2011, 11:00 PM   #46
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"Them". Why do you not like China?

You think I'm gonna fall for that one?
Post an answer so you can completely destroy it with your quick, smarty-pants replies?

I. Think. Not.

Carry on.

Edit: Now I have to edit back . . .
Same China?
Another Edit: I wonder why you are pushing this so.
Don't you have a 20 questions game to play?
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Old 02-25-2011, 11:13 PM   #47
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You think I'm gonna fall for that one?
Post an answer so you can completely destroy it with your quick, smarty-pants replies?

I. Think. Not.

Carry on.

Edit: Now I have to edit back . . .
Same China?
Another Edit: I wonder why you are pushing this so.
Don't you have a 20 questions game to play?

While I'm weeping into my beer over here to see you two prepping for another donnybrook, the man's right on this one, Lad...your dislike seems pretty unmotivated, illogical, and neglectful of the darker, danker sides of the Columbus story.
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Old 02-25-2011, 11:38 PM   #48
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While I'm weeping into my beer over here to see you two prepping for another donnybrook, the man's right on this one, Lad...your dislike seems pretty unmotivated, illogical, and neglectful of the darker, danker sides of the Columbus story.

Where did that come from??

I just don't want to answer him because I know where he's going to take this.
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Old 02-26-2011, 12:52 AM   #49
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Being American,

Which one sounds better to me.
"Christopher [Columbus], respectable explorer, discovers today's North America"
or
"Random china man and his crew lost an achor, dropped scrap metal, and scurried back to Asia after stumbling upon today's North America"

Bias but what the hell, What are you going to do?

Um, okay. So, you're content to believe convenient history instead of questioning authority and seeking truth? To me, that seems pretty opposite the ideals of an American, but more-so the arrogance and pompousness of Idiot America.

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Actually, Chuck Norris discovered America first. He created and populated it. It's in the Bible. Well, the true Bible.
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Old 02-26-2011, 12:58 AM   #50
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Actually, Chuck Norris discovered America first. He created and populated it

Chuck Norris didn't discover America, he just clothes-lined it when it tried to escape. Then swam back home.
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