What did KOTCS get right?
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The idea of putting Indiana Jones into a nuclear test area is just great. I really love it when Indy comes into doomtown. Great! In this few scenes Ford is really Indiana Jones! For the rest of the movie he looks like Indiana Jones but he is not Indiana Jones. I don't know who the guy with the Hat is - but it's not Indy. That's for sure. In "Raiders", Temple" and "Crusade" Ford WAS Indy... in this movie Ford tries to play Indy...
But back to topic: Doom Town is great BUT... yeah.. you know it... the escape ist just embarrasing... This scene and many-many-may others over-the-top-actions-scenes (Mutt/Tarzan, Rubber Tree, the Waterfalls etc) ruined this movie...
But "Doom Town" is really great!!!
But back to topic: Doom Town is great BUT... yeah.. you know it... the escape ist just embarrasing... This scene and many-many-may others over-the-top-actions-scenes (Mutt/Tarzan, Rubber Tree, the Waterfalls etc) ruined this movie...
But "Doom Town" is really great!!!
Benraianajones
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Agreed, the Doom town part is great. I don't know why Indy couldn't have just started running for his life or grabbed on to a car to escape, as opposed to being blasted off by a fridge.
The thing is, I am sure the fridge part would have been more bearable for many people - if it wasn't for the rubber tree, tarzan swing and 3 waterfalls.
Personally the embarassing bit for me is the tarzan swing, because it looks like Jungle Book. At least surviving the bomb blast in a fridge seems somewhat in vain with one of Indy's silly action escapes.
The "rubber tree" coud have worked better if in film it was explained Marion found the lowest part of the cliff and the tree to land on and the tree effect when it bounced back up didn't look so cartoony.
The 3 waterfalls also would have been fine in this movie - but only if they had opted to remove the above scenes as to even the movie out and not make the movie on the whole too out-landish and cartoony.
The thing is, I am sure the fridge part would have been more bearable for many people - if it wasn't for the rubber tree, tarzan swing and 3 waterfalls.
Personally the embarassing bit for me is the tarzan swing, because it looks like Jungle Book. At least surviving the bomb blast in a fridge seems somewhat in vain with one of Indy's silly action escapes.
The "rubber tree" coud have worked better if in film it was explained Marion found the lowest part of the cliff and the tree to land on and the tree effect when it bounced back up didn't look so cartoony.
The 3 waterfalls also would have been fine in this movie - but only if they had opted to remove the above scenes as to even the movie out and not make the movie on the whole too out-landish and cartoony.
Cagefighterkip
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so this is what KOTCS got right?
well... everything.
it was pure, unadulterated, simple, clean and awesome, violent spectacle of a quest for a treasure, that is an Indiana Jones movie.
beginning to end, gophers, aliens and all... this was movie magic at its best.
well... everything.
it was pure, unadulterated, simple, clean and awesome, violent spectacle of a quest for a treasure, that is an Indiana Jones movie.
beginning to end, gophers, aliens and all... this was movie magic at its best.
Indy's brother
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Lets focus on your use of the word "spectacle" for a moment. You hit the nail right on the head. It can't be an Indiana Jones movie without being a grand spectacle. But apparently it's a delicate mix. If you don't get it just right, nobody can agree if it's good or not. That's why this thread is doomed for failure. Too much venom around here. Even on a thread entitiled "what did KOTCS get right?" People just want to post so they can ***** about what they thought kotcs got wrong. Many raveners just can't help themselves.
No Ticket
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I was enjoying the movie immensely during the warehouse scene. Even the magnetic gunpowder didn't bother me. Rockset Sled was awesome. As much as I rolled my eyes on the fridge nuking scene... even that part was okay BECAUSE of the beautiful shot of Indy watching the atomic explosion rise. I think it would have been less dumb if a fridge didn't save his life.
Direclty after the opening ends... it starts going downhill. With a line something like, "What are you accusing me for, besides surviving a nuclear explosion?" They all act like it's no big deal. I think they should all still be amazed he didn't die to give more credit to how ridiculously lucky he got (even though he'll die soon because of radioactive fallout)...
But the opening was action packed with a great set piece. I felt like everything else was kinda of ho-hum. I mean, I liked the chase scene at the school... it was pretty great too. Um, I actually kind of like the scene where Indy "talks" to the skull and punches Mac in the nose.
Other than that, the rest is sub-par to me. The gopher's don't bother me, besides the fact that it's the first thing you see in a movie they promised would have minimal CGI.
Direclty after the opening ends... it starts going downhill. With a line something like, "What are you accusing me for, besides surviving a nuclear explosion?" They all act like it's no big deal. I think they should all still be amazed he didn't die to give more credit to how ridiculously lucky he got (even though he'll die soon because of radioactive fallout)...
But the opening was action packed with a great set piece. I felt like everything else was kinda of ho-hum. I mean, I liked the chase scene at the school... it was pretty great too. Um, I actually kind of like the scene where Indy "talks" to the skull and punches Mac in the nose.
Other than that, the rest is sub-par to me. The gopher's don't bother me, besides the fact that it's the first thing you see in a movie they promised would have minimal CGI.
Cagefighterkip
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Indy's brother said:
true
theres a lot of hate, and i dont get it at all. not one bit. but hey, opinions are opinions so i guess thats that though i LOOOVED indy4 beginning to end, found it as entertaing and TOD and TLC, almost as good as ROTLA.
but im glad u at least agree, or think i hit the nail on the proverbial head
Shortie
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Everything except:
- CGI Prairie Dogs (Prairie Dogs can't be hard to have stand still for .5 seconds)
- Swinging Scene (Why'd they have one real monkey if they didn't have a couple real prairie dogs?)
-Aliens (Should of just had the temple fall apart)
It wasn't trying to be as good as Raiders, it was trying to be a fun action movie. I don't think we'll see an adventure movie as good as Raiders for a while.
- CGI Prairie Dogs (Prairie Dogs can't be hard to have stand still for .5 seconds)
- Swinging Scene (Why'd they have one real monkey if they didn't have a couple real prairie dogs?)
-Aliens (Should of just had the temple fall apart)
It wasn't trying to be as good as Raiders, it was trying to be a fun action movie. I don't think we'll see an adventure movie as good as Raiders for a while.
RocketSledFight
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Shortie said:
I might be the only one alive to think the shot of Indy looking at the UFO rising was awesome. People criticize this movie for having a MacGuffin that does not have significance to Indy as a character or have relevance in general ? to me, it's not about the skull. That UFO was an amazing discovery for Indy.
Indy's brother
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Yeah, I hear ya. Though my first viewing left a bad taste in my mouth, I instantly thought that shot rocked, and was vintage Spielberg. I have only heard complaints on it here as well. But as far as your feelings on the ufo--you are not alone...
Udvarnoky said:
I love the shot, I didn't even have to learn to love the bomb, I just don't like the fridge.
Also, I adore this thread idea, but I'll have to contribute and read it later on. I'm rating it a 5 though.
Indy's brother
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+1. It's not the same shot that's in the film, but I posted on the drew art thread that this would make an excellent back cover to the KOTCS dvd:
Benraianajones
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That's a nice bit of artwork!
The Man...so you are saying, what? As crazy as Doom Town and fridge portion was - it was the events that followed that turned you off, as opposed to the fridge? Could the fridge have been accepted by you more if the rest of the events that follow it were not so cartoony (waterfall/tarzan swing/the "rubber2 tree?).
The Man...so you are saying, what? As crazy as Doom Town and fridge portion was - it was the events that followed that turned you off, as opposed to the fridge? Could the fridge have been accepted by you more if the rest of the events that follow it were not so cartoony (waterfall/tarzan swing/the "rubber2 tree?).
The Man
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Benraianajones said:
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. People who dislike the movie tend to focus on the more infamous elements (gophers, monkeys) but it's the overall slide in quality that gradually sinks the movie. The second hour was too infantile, too 'cutesy' and uninspired.
It's no one thing that has polarised fans over this movie...
The Man said:
This I agree with. The fact is that even though you see the same culprits named across the internet by irate fans, Indy4's real problems are something more fundamental and difficult to define, and since a lot of fans can't put their finger on it they settle on the easy targets (nuke, CGI, tarzan, etc.). God knows Temple of Doom and Last Crusade had at least as many stupid moments as Crystal Skull, but nobody cared because the movies were ridiculously entertaining, an accusation that could not be made of Indy4.