Are/were the Batman fans responsible for a lot of the hate?

Montana Smith · Jun 21, 2012

Stoo said:
(After high school, I went to art college and the few guys who were still into superheroes at that age were the BIGGEST NERDS on campus!)

mattzilla2010 said:
And don't be silly Stoo, Indiana Jones is just as L.T.L.? as Batman.

mattzilla2010 said:
And besides, you can't really call out superhero fans for being nerds when you're posting on an Indiana Jones fan board.

Yeah, come on, Stoo. You can't seriously separate Indy nerds from superhero nerds, or any other kind of nerds. Nerds are nerds, and to say otherwise it just being nerdist.

You can't kid yourself that Indiana Jones is less silly or less larger than life than Batman or his superpowered associates.

Ghosts, aliens; death-dealing golden boxes; life giving cups; people missing vital organs continuing to live; atomic escape pods disguised as white goods; 800-year-old knights with a perfect grasp of modern English.

I don't leave my bunker often, but last time I checked real life wasn't that crazy.

Marshall2288 · Jun 21, 2012

Montana Smith said:
I don't leave my bunker often, but last time I checked real life wasn't that crazy.

Yea but it's getting close.

Stoo · Jun 22, 2012

Nurhachi1991 said:
I thought TDK was boring.... I liked the 1989 Batman better

"The Dark Night" is a snooze-fest and perfect for making someone fall asleep. Like Mutt said, "It's better than a glass of warm milk". The '89 film is also garbage. After that piece of sh!te, I didn't watch another Batman movie until my nephew prodded me to watch the boring CLOWN movie, "Dork Night".

Mattzilla and Montana, I will reply to you both. Just hang on.

Montana Smith · Jun 22, 2012

Stoo said:
Mattzilla and Montana, I will reply to you both. Just hang on.

Ooh, I like cliffhangers!

(And yes the '89 was not a good film. Apart from Nicholson, but he was only a Joker impersonator cos he died.

To quote myself from somewhere else, Batman would have been looking down at the splattered Joker thinking, "Well, that was short lived. I expected more.")

Stoo · Jun 22, 2012

mattzilla2010 said:
Thanks Stoo. I appreciate your ability to generate discussions that I find genuinely interesting. My post count would be even less if not for your magic bag of intriguing discussion topics...

Ha! The ?magic bag?!

That bag is as deep & endless as my imagination.

I do remember Frank Miller?s renaissance because someone wanted me to check them out and lent me his issues. After about 2 months, I returned them, UNREAD. I never even took them out of the bags!

Re. Batman T-shirts: A great shirt because of the pop-art symbol. Wearing it out of Bat-fandom = dork. Wearing it because it?s great logo = cool (though the general public may not understand that and automatically assume the wearer is a Batfan). Keith Moon used to wear one c.1966.

mattzilla2010 said:
Remove all the trappings and you still have two heroes who we root for as they beat up the bad guys. I don't think you need anything more to justify an interest in both.

The thing is, beatin? up bad guys is not Indy?s sole ?raison d'être?. It?s a secondary aspect next to the main one: Treasure seeking. Whereas, unlike Dr. Jones, stopping bad guys is Batman?s primary (and possibly, only) function.

There are plenty of heroes who go around beating up bad guys. Above all others, why is Batman the most popular amongst The Raven crowd? The answer eludes me. The 2 ?Dork Night? threads rank #3 & #4 of the most viewed threads in the Raven?s Films section. (#1 is ?Crushes on celebrities? and #2 is, oddly, ?Alice in Wonderland?! Go figure?) WHY?

People can like anything they want to but I just don?t understand why many Ravenheads seem to have an attraction towards superheroes (Ex. Batman) rather than adventure heroes (Ex. Allan Quatermain).

mattzilla2010 said:
For the record, I never once thought to compare the two. And no, I don't think at all that the "Batman fans" were responsible for a lot of the hate.

It?s certainly clear that not all Batman fans are ?Skull? haters but it?s worth pointing out that the most vitriolic bashers at The Raven in 2008/2009 were champions of ?The Dark Knight?, in the most extreme sense.

(I could name them but won't.)

mattzilla2010 said:
It's somewhere on my 16-page Word doc of movies I need to see.

There, page 5, I checked. I'll be getting it from Netflix in no time.

Splendid! Mattzilla, after you watch it, please post your opinion in one of these threads:

Gunga Din
Gunga Doom -- Discussion Thread
Gunga Din Preview

mattzilla2010 · Jun 22, 2012

Stoo said:
"The Dark Night" is a snooze-fest and perfect for making someone fall asleep. Like Mutt said, "It's better than a glass of warm milk".

Well, for you maybe. For what it's worth (and it may be worth nothing at all) I saw it with my 51-year-old dad and he was just as riveted as I was. We found it edge-of-the-seat exciting as a matter of fact.

Stoo said:
The '89 film is also garbage. After that piece of sh!te, I didn't watch another Batman movie until my nephew prodded me to watch the boring CLOWN movie, "Dork Night".

A childhood favorite, but the more I give it repeat viewings, the more its faults become apparent. The script is all over the place. But still, I would never call it garbage. The production design alone is outstanding and it showed the "serious Batman" to non-comic book readers for the first time. Gotta give it credit for that at least.

If I may, allow me to prod you to give Batman Begins a try. You'll probably hate it (Batman still talks in the Batman voice to people who know his identity

) but it does a superb job of presenting the character's origin and motivations. It lays the groundwork for The Dark Knight (its sequel) very well and I think you're missing out on a lot if you see the second without having seen the first.

Stoo said:
I do remember Frank Miller?s renaissance because someone wanted me to check them out and lent me his issues. After about 2 months, I returned them, UNREAD. I never even took them out of the bags!

Never gave it a chance, eh? Sounds like you have some deep hatred for Batman that clouds your judgment of every new Bat-related thing. Maybe you hated The Dark Knight because you went into it wanting to hate it...

Stoo said:
Re. Batman T-shirts: A great shirt because of the pop-art symbol. Wearing it out of Bat-fandom = dork. Wearing it because it?s great logo = cool (though the general public may not understand that and automatically assume the wearer is a Batfan). Keith Moon used to wear one c.1966.

Okay, I'm a dork then.

But even if they aren't "fans", I bet t-shirt wearers at least like the character. Most people at least like Batman. Not on a devotional fan level, but they can at least appreciate his pop culture importance and casually enjoy the movies. I have a bunch of friends who aren't dorks in the slightest, but 99% of them liked The Dark Knight.

And just how do you know Moon wasn't a Batfan? Maybe this cover was his idea:
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Stoo said:
The thing is, beatin? up bad guys is not Indy?s sole ?raison d'être?. It?s a secondary aspect next to the main one: Treasure seeking. Whereas, unlike Dr. Jones, stopping bad guys is Batman?s primary (and possibly, only) function.

I'd argue that more people like Indy for the action hero aspect than the treasure hunting aspect. Can't prove it at all though; just the vibe I get.

Stoo said:
There are plenty of heroes who go around beating up bad guys. Above all others, why is Batman the most popular amongst The Raven crowd? The answer eludes me. The 2 ?Dork Night? threads rank #3 & #4 of the most viewed threads in the Raven?s Films section. (#1 is ?Crushes on celebrities? and #2 is, oddly, ?Alice in Wonderland?! Go figure?) WHY?

Because his last movie was astoundingly popular and critically well-received, and the Films section is for discussion of all kinds of films, so naturally there would be a lot of discussion about a recent film that was very popular and held in high regard? I don't see why this is so difficult to grasp.

And as far as superheroes go, Batman generally seems to be the most popular.

Stoo said:
People can like anything they want to but I just don?t understand why many Ravenheads seem to have an attraction towards superheroes (Ex. Batman) rather than adventure heroes (Ex. Allan Quatermain).

Because I don't think the two are as far apart as you want them to be. Superheroes are a type of adventure hero. They just have different sorts of adventures.

Stoo said:
It?s certainly clear that not all Batman fans are ?Skull? haters but it?s worth pointing out that the most vitriolic bashers at The Raven in 2008/2009 were champions of ?The Dark Knight?, in the most extreme sense. (I could name them but won't.)

That's unfortunate. Were they making direct comparisons? Like, Crystal Skull should have been more like The Dark Knight in some sense or another? Because if so, that's quite stupid.

Stoo said:
Splendid! Mattzilla, after you watch it, please post your opinion in one of these threads:

I certainly shall!

mikieson · Jun 22, 2012

so again i find myself alone in what I like...As far as Batman movies go I LIKE the 89 movie better than any thats been made since..I thought it was well done, I liked the actors and the over all feel of it.

Keep in mind that I DONT LIKE Batman..Just not a fan. Wasnt as a kid that much either.

Stoo · Jun 25, 2012

mattzilla2010 said:
If I may, allow me to prod you to give Batman Begins a try. You'll probably hate it (Batman still talks in the Batman voice to people who know his identity ) but it does a superb job of presenting the character's origin and motivations. It lays the groundwork for The Dark Knight (its sequel) very well and I think you're missing out on a lot if you see the second without having seen the first.

By telling me that Batman talks to people who know his identity with the stupid Batman voice in "Batman Begins", you've just significantly decreased the chances of me ever bothering to watch it. You shouldn't have done that, Matt!

mattzilla2010 said:
Never gave it a chance, eh? Sounds like you have some deep hatred for Batman that clouds your judgment of every new Bat-related thing. Maybe you hated The Dark Knight because you went into it wanting to hate it...

I don't have a deep hatred for Batman. I just wasn't into wasting my free time on superhero sh*t at that age. (Fast forward to 2008 & onwards, and my dislike is due to something else far more complex...)

mattzilla2010 said:
And just how do you know Moon wasn't a Batfan? Maybe this cover was his idea:

Please, don't get the wrong impression; Moon was indeed a Batfan and so was the bassist, John Entwistle. It was their idea (mostly Keith's) to cover the theme tune. (I even have very, RARE footage of them in the back of a car listening to a Batman radio show with different theme music!)

Keep in mind that this was in 1966 while the non-serious TV show was airing, when, among other things, Bruce Wayne had the same voice while in disguise!

mattzilla2010 said:
I'd argue that more people like Indy for the action hero aspect than the treasure hunting aspect. Can't prove it at all though; just the vibe I get.

If there isn't a thread on that already, then you should start one, Matt, and make it a poll!

(There are loads of "action heroes" but how many of them are "treasure hunters"?)

mattzilla2010 said:
Because his last movie was astoundingly popular and critically well-received, and the Films section is for discussion of all kinds of films, so naturally there would be a lot of discussion about a recent film that was very popular and held in high regard? I don't see why this is so difficult to grasp.

And as far as superheroes go, Batman generally seems to be the most popular.

Since the release of "Crystal Skull", Batman has permeated The Raven way beyond the Films section and it might continue further when the new "Dork Knight" movie comes out.

mattzilla2010 said:
Because I don't think the two are as far apart as you want them to be. Superheroes are a type of adventure hero. They just have different sorts of adventures.

Nah. Superheroes are "crime-fighters" whose sole aims are to fight evil. Batman actively pursues wrong-doings as a personal mission. In the Harrison Ford films, this is NOT the "modus operandi" of Indiana Jones. :gun:

(The two characters are MUCH farther apart than you want them to be.)

mattzilla2010 said:
That's unfortunate. Were they making direct comparisons? Like, Crystal Skull should have been more like The Dark Knight in some sense or another? Because if so, that's quite stupid.

Yes, they were making direct comparisons. Of the most vitriolic three, 2 of them were banned forever and 1 doesn't visit anymore (thankfully). The rest simply joined up, made a couple of posts & then disappeared. (There is a new one now...and his name is...)
Out of curiosity: Are there any threads on Dork Knight forums called, "Are/were the Indy fans responsible for a lot of the Dark Knight hate?"

kongisking · Jun 25, 2012

Stoo said:
By telling me that Batman talks to people who know his identity with the stupid Batman voice in "Batman Begins", you've just significantly decreased the chances of me ever bothering to watch it. You shouldn't have done that, Matt!
I don't have a deep hatred for Batman. I just wasn't into wasting my free time on superhero sh*t at that age. (Fast forward to 2008 & onwards, and my dislike is due to something else far more complex...)
Please, don't get the wrong impression; Moon was indeed a Batfan and so was the bassist, John Entwistle. It was their idea (mostly Keith's) to cover the theme tune. (I even have very, RARE footage of them in the back of a car listening to a Batman radio show with different theme music!)

Keep in mind that this was in 1966 while the non-serious TV show was airing, when, among other things, Bruce Wayne had the same voice while in disguise!
If there isn't a thread on that already, then you should start one, Matt, and make it a poll! (There are loads of "action heroes" but how many of them are "treasure hunters"?)
Since the release of "Crystal Skull", Batman has permeated The Raven way beyond the Films section and it might continue further when the new "Dork Knight" movie comes out.
Nah. Superheroes are "crime-fighters" whose sole aims are to fight evil. Batman actively pursues wrong-doings as a personal mission. In the Harrison Ford films, this is NOT the "modus operandi" of Indiana Jones. (The two characters are MUCH farther apart than you want them to be.)
Yes, they were making direct comparisons. Of the most vitriolic three, 2 of them were banned forever and 1 doesn't visit anymore (thankfully). The rest simply joined up, made a couple of posts & then disappeared. (There is a new one now...and his name is...)
Out of curiosity: Are there any threads on Dork Knight forums called, "Are/were the Indy fans responsible for a lot of the Dark Knight hate?"

Stoo, buddy, you REALLY need to stop sounding so f'ing pissed off about this issue. Really, it's not that huge of a deal. Some Indy fans happen to love Batman too. Accept it. There's nothing wrong with it. You're delusional if you think Indy fans aren't allowed to have any other passions. Again, I say, accept it.

Go home and rethink your life.

Oh, and if all Indy fans were like you, I'm sure there WOULD be threads like that on Batman forums, because guys like you wouldn't stop hating on, ugh, "The Dork Knight," as you call it. Would you like it if I started constantly calling Crystal Skull KOCS, just to insult the lovers (like some already do)? Because that's frankly what you're doing to Batman fans by using nicknames like that. It's a big whopping, "Batman fans are inbred, stupid homosexuals who like scat porn and love boy bands," to them. That was the most offensive sentence I could come up with, but seriously, you sound like you want nothing more than to post that sentence yourself.

And yeah, if I sound a little agressive here, it's because I am starting to genuinely lose patience with you and your own aggressive attitude, man...fight fire with fire, and all that.

Speaking of which, THE FIRE RISES!

mikieson · Jun 25, 2012

im just gonna have to say....this is the dumbest f^&*( thread ive ever seen. Especially from a bunch of adults.

Stoo · Jun 25, 2012

kongisking said:
You're delusional if you think Indy fans aren't allowed to have any other passions. Again, I say, accept it.

People can have any other passion they feel like. (I have other passions, too.)

kongisking said:
Oh, and if all Indy fans were like you, I'm sure there WOULD be threads like that on Batman forums, because guys like you wouldn't stop hating on, ugh, "The Dork Knight," as you call it.

No, not at all. That is entirely incorrect, Kongisking. If all Indy fans were like me they WOULDN'T EVEN BOTHER LOOKING at a Batman forum!

kongisking said:
Would you like it if I started constantly calling Crystal Skull KOCS, just to insult the lovers (like some already do)? Because that's frankly what you're doing to Batman fans by using nicknames like that. It's a big whopping, "Batman fans are inbred, stupid homosexuals who like scat porn and love boy bands," to them. That was the most offensive sentence I could come up with, but seriously, you sound like you want nothing more than to post that sentence yourself.

Call Indy 4, "KOCKS", as many times as you wish. It won't bother me because this is an Indiana Jones website and that moniker has never upset me before. If I went around on Batman forums saying, "Dork Knight", all the time then you'd have someting to compare with...but I don't do that. (Nor have I have ever posted in the 2 "Dork Knight"-dedicated threads here at The Raven.)

kongisking said:
And yeah, if I sound a little agressive here, it's because I am starting to genuinely lose patience with you and your own aggressive attitude, man...fight fire with fire, and all that.

Please, Kong, don't let this issue get between us, eh?.

mikieson said:
im just gonna have to say....this is the dumbest f^&*( thread ive ever seen. Especially from a bunch of adults.

is that why youve f^&* posted in it 10 times?

mattzilla2010 · Jun 25, 2012

Stoo said:
By telling me that Batman talks to people who know his identity with the stupid Batman voice in "Batman Begins", you've just significantly decreased the chances of me ever bothering to watch it. You shouldn't have done that, Matt!

Do it for me? Pwetty please? It'll help me sleep better at night.

Stoo said:
I don't have a deep hatred for Batman. I just wasn't into wasting my free time on superhero sh*t at that age. (Fast forward to 2008 & onwards, and my dislike is due to something else far more complex...)

Well I am indeed very sorry that overly vocal, immature Batfans have left such a sour taste in your mouth. You strike me as the kind of guy who never changes his mind once he decides he doesn't like something, so I'll leave you alone about it (after you see Batman Begins of course

). Allow me to just request that you stop verbally assaulting the character and its fans? Be the bigger man if the Batdorks start ragging on Indy. This petty squabbling is below you. :hat:

Stoo said:
Please, don't get the wrong impression; Moon was indeed a Batfan and so was the bassist, John Entwistle. It was their idea (mostly Keith's) to cover the theme tune. (I even have very, RARE footage of them in the back of a car listening to a Batman radio show with different theme music!)

I'd love to see that if you have a way of getting it on youtube or something! (I am a big Who fan myself as a matter of fact)

Stoo said:
Keep in mind that this was in 1966 while the non-serious TV show was airing, when, among other things, Bruce Wayne had the same voice while in disguise!

That show was my introduction to the character; it's fantastic.

Stoo said:
If there isn't a thread on that already, then you should start one, Matt, and make it a poll! (There are loads of "action heroes" but how many of them are "treasure hunters"?)

Good idea!

Stoo said:
Since the release of "Crystal Skull", Batman has permeated The Raven way beyond the Films section and it might continue further when the new "Dork Knight" movie comes out.

Not sure what else I can say. Lots of people love Batman.

Stoo said:
Nah. Superheroes are "crime-fighters" whose sole aims are to fight evil. Batman actively pursues wrong-doings as a personal mission. In the Harrison Ford films, this is NOT the "modus operandi" of Indiana Jones. (The two characters are MUCH farther apart than you want them to be.)

See, I always saw the archaeology/treasure hunting as... I don't think "excuse" is the right word, but just as a reason to set up the action sequences. Indy's personal mission is recovering valuable artifacts of course, but I think when he encounters Nazis or Thuggees or Commies the mission becomes more than that. His mission is to protect the artifact from those evil folks that would use it for their dastardly plans.

If the Nazis obtained the Ark, for example, they would certainly become invincible, take over the world, etc. as Marcus points out. So the addition of "villains" to the Indy plots makes his personal mission more about stopping them. He's beating up the bad guys to save the world, much like a superhero. Even if we're led to believe he's not doing this all the time, it's still what the main plots of all 4 movies focus on.

So you're right in that he doesn't seek evildoers out, but when he encounters them he goes into world-saving "superhero" mode.

Stoo said:
Yes, they were making direct comparisons. Of the most vitriolic three, 2 of them were banned forever and 1 doesn't visit anymore (thankfully). The rest simply joined up, made a couple of posts & then disappeared. (There is a new one now...and his name is...)

What? WHAT IS IT?!?! WHAAAAT ISSSS IIITTTT?!?!?!?!?!

Stoo said:
Out of curiosity: Are there any threads on Dork Knight forums called, "Are/were the Indy fans responsible for a lot of the Dark Knight hate?"

Haha, can't say as there are. Probably because the ratio of "Skull" haters to "Knight" haters is like 10000:1.

mikieson said:
im just gonna have to say....this is the dumbest f^&*( thread ive ever seen. Especially from a bunch of adults.

Montana Smith · Jun 25, 2012

mattzilla2010 said:
See, I always saw the archaeology/treasure hunting as... I don't think "excuse" is the right word, but just as a reason to set up the action sequences. Indy's personal mission is recovering valuable artifacts of course, but I think when he encounters Nazis or Thuggees or Commies the mission becomes more than that. His mission is to protect the artifact from those evil folks that would use it for their dastardly plans.

If the Nazis obtained the Ark, for example, they would certainly become invincible, take over the world, etc. as Marcus points out. So the addition of "villains" to the Indy plots makes his personal mission more about stopping them. He's beating up the bad guys to save the world, much like a superhero. Even if we're led to believe he's not doing this all the time, it's still what the main plots of all 4 movies focus on.

So you're right in that he doesn't seek evildoers out, but when he encounters them he goes into world-saving "superhero" mode.

Indeed:

Smiffy said:
...in 1943 Batman took on the agents of Hirohito to prevent Japan from acquiring a superweapon.

In 1936 Indiana Jones took on the agents of Hitler to prevent Germany from acquiring a superweapon.

mikieson said:
im just gonna have to say....this is the dumbest f^&*( thread ive ever seen. Especially from a bunch of adults.

You funny.

You just described virtually every Raven thread and its participants.

Nay, you just described virtually every internet message board devoted to a fictional character!

mikieson · Jun 25, 2012

Stoo said:
People can have any other passion they feel like. (I have other passions, too.)

No, not at all. That is entirely incorrect, Kongisking. If all Indy fans were like me they WOULDN'T EVEN BOTHER LOOKING at a Batman forum!
Call Indy 4, "KOCKS", as many times as you wish. It won't bother me because this is an Indiana Jones website and that moniker has never upset me before. If I went around on Batman forums saying, "Dork Knight", all the time then you'd have someting to compare with...but I don't do that. (Nor have I have ever posted in the 2 "Dork Knight"-dedicated threads here at The Raven.)
Please, Kong, don't let this issue get between us, eh?.
is that why youve f^&* posted in it 10 times?

Yea..i guess it is..because im floored that grown a^& men are arguing over some fictional f^&! characters like 10 year olds..seriously..Ive just never seen a group of people...OR even heard of people arguing over something like this until I stumbled upon this thread. I never knew anything like this existed..

Montana Smith · Jun 26, 2012

mikieson said:
Yea..i guess it is..because im floored that grown a^& men are arguing over some fictional f^&! characters like 10 year olds..seriously..Ive just never seen a group of people...OR even heard of people arguing over something like this until I stumbled upon this thread. I never knew anything like this existed..

Such a sheltered life.

And that's me saying that from my bunker.

I could recommend a trip over to Sideshow Freaks for a really eye-opening experience.

The Joker's socks are a constant hot topic of contention. Seriously.

mikieson · Jun 26, 2012

Montana Smith said:
Such a sheltered life.

And that's me saying that from my bunker.

I could recommend a trip over to Sideshow Freaks for a really eye-opening experience.

The Joker's socks are a constant hot topic of contention. Seriously.

sheltered? lol....so thats your reply? HEY im not here to make enemies or put others down. I just fell into this thread somehow..DIDNt really know what it was about as Ive never heard anything about fans arguing like this..

And I have to stand my ground, grown adults arguing over fictional characters being "better then the other" is just something Ive never witnessed. UNLESS its whos faster Superman OR the FLASH?? OR who would win between HULK and WOLVERINE..I had NO idea people put batman "who im not that big a fan of" against a "more real,no superpowers" Indy..It just dont make sense honestly. EVEN comparing them at the box office isnt totally right.. 2 different movies with different fans and different generations of people..

Montana Smith · Jun 26, 2012

mikieson said:
sheltered? lol....so thats your reply? HEY im not here to make enemies or put others down. I just fell into this thread somehow..DIDNt really know what it was about as Ive never heard anything about fans arguing like this..

And I have to stand my ground, grown adults arguing over fictional characters being "better then the other" is just something Ive never witnessed. UNLESS its whos faster Superman OR the FLASH?? OR who would win between HULK and WOLVERINE..I had NO idea people put batman "who im not that big a fan of" against a "more real,no superpowers" Indy..It just dont make sense honestly. EVEN comparing them at the box office isnt totally right.. 2 different movies with different fans and different generations of people..

Just immerse youself in the silliness.

I'm really more interested in the inspirations for both characters, rather than two movies that were worlds apart.

Stoo · Jun 26, 2012

mattzilla2010 said:
Do it for me? Pwetty please? It'll help me sleep better at night.

Well I am indeed very sorry that overly vocal, immature Batfans have left such a sour taste in your mouth. You strike me as the kind of guy who never changes his mind once he decides he doesn't like something, so I'll leave you alone about it (after you see Batman Begins of course ). Allow me to just request that you stop verbally assaulting the character and its fans? Be the bigger man if the Batdorks start ragging on Indy. This petty squabbling is below you.

So I'm not allowed to say that superhero fans are a pile of pimple-popping nose-pickers with bad body odour?

How about this: I will watch "Batgoof Begins" if you post a review of "Gunga Din" after seeing it. "I call that a bargain." (Who reference for ya!

)

mattzilla2010 said:
I'd love to see that if you have a way of getting it on youtube or something! (I am a big Who fan myself as a matter of fact)

You're in luck, Matt, because it turns out someone already has posted it to YouTube! (Not so rare anymore.

) However, it isn't a radio as I remembered, it's a record. John, Roger & Keith are sitting in the back of a car on the way to a gig. John has a portable record player and a handful of 45s. They listen to various things but the Batman audio drama comes at 4:55-5:30. Check it out:

(I think I actually had that record as a wee lad.)

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mattzilla2010 said:
See, I always saw the archaeology/treasure hunting as... I don't think "excuse" is the right word, but just as a reason to set up the action sequences. Indy's personal mission is recovering valuable artifacts of course, but I think when he encounters Nazis or Thuggees or Commies the mission becomes more than that. His mission is to protect the artifact from those evil folks that would use it for their dastardly plans.

If the Nazis obtained the Ark, for example, they would certainly become invincible, take over the world, etc. as Marcus points out. So the addition of "villains" to the Indy plots makes his personal mission more about stopping them. He's beating up the bad guys to save the world, much like a superhero. Even if we're led to believe he's not doing this all the time, it's still what the main plots of all 4 movies focus on.

So you're right in that he doesn't seek evildoers out, but when he encounters them he goes into world-saving "superhero" mode.

More like James-Bond-mode. Fighting power-hungry villains doesn't make a character a "superhero".

Montana Smith · Jun 26, 2012

Stoo said:
More like James-Bond-mode. Fighting power-hungry villains doesn't make a character a "superhero".

Yes, James Bond. Another notable and intentional inspiration.

Bond was also like Batman. A non-powered human relying on gadgets to take on criminal masterminds.

Indy is a man of few gadgets. The whip is a regular.

I see these three as stemming from similar sources, but each going their own way over time.

They all did outrageous things, and mostly got away with them. All larger than life in their own ways.

The Drifter · Jun 26, 2012

In all honesty, Stoo is 100% correct. During the summer of 2008 The Raven was ate up with insane Dark Night fans, I never took part in thier DK threads because I hadn't seen the movie (and still haven't), but, thier fandom for it spilled into the tangle of Skull threads. It did get to the point where every Skull thread was pure bashing and DK praising. It's one thing to post that opinion in a thread dedicated to the DK, but it's a huge pain in the ass to have seen it in almost every Skull thread.

And, Mikieson, I don't blame Stoo for being passionate about the issue. He's been at The Raven a long time, I have been here a mere four years and I care deeply about this old bar. And, I am willing to bet that he does to. We just hated to see the patrons carve "The Dark Knight" all over the nice, shiney bar top.

Are/were the Batman fans responsible for a lot of the hate?

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