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Old 05-10-2008, 09:34 PM   #1
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Special Edition Truck Chase?

Well, I've been watching RotlA on USA, and I noticed something.

Is it just me or.........

It looks like the original shot of the troops car diving off the side of the cliff with the matte painting background has been replaced with a Lucas special edition CG version!

I'm sorry if this is old news, but it's new to me. And I really hope I was hallucinating..
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Old 05-10-2008, 09:37 PM   #2
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I noticed this too! I'm not sure since I haven't seen Raiders in a real long time, but it seemed different to me. I didn't think it was a bad thing though, it just looked sharper and less fake.
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Old 05-10-2008, 09:46 PM   #3
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Oh thank god someone else noticed it too, I thought I was going crazy.
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Old 05-10-2008, 09:57 PM   #4
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I haven't seen it. Say it ain't so!
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Old 05-10-2008, 10:02 PM   #5
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I think it is a good idea. I have no problem with them using digital effects to touch up scenes that need it, such as the horrible green screening during the bridge scene in Temple of Doom They already used it to edit out the glare on the glass used to separate Ford from the snake in Raiders on the DVD. Unfortunately, Spielberg probably won't be able to make any cosmetic changes without backlash for no good reason :P I think fixing things like that put the CG effects to good use and allow the movies to be preserved longer. The only problem Iv'e ever had with effects in the Indy movies is when they use green screening, it always looked pretty bad :P Other than that, the effects all hold up pretty well .
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Old 05-10-2008, 10:06 PM   #6
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IMO, the troop car sequence was fine the way it was. The CG version now looks so out of place with the rest of the film. But hey, it's only a 3 second shot, it could've been worse (1997 Star Wars SE); as long as I have the original version on DVD, I'm alright.
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Old 05-10-2008, 10:11 PM   #7
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The problem is that Star Wars fans got upset (for good reason) at some of the changes made to Star Wars, and now there is kind of a knee jerk reaction go any cosmetic CG changes to movies :P. If they started adding in Rancors in well of souls, i'd be upset But fixing up background shots isn't something that would bother me.
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Old 05-10-2008, 10:17 PM   #8
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Ugh. I hope this isn't on the new DVDs coming out.
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Old 05-10-2008, 10:17 PM   #9
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The problem is that Star Wars fans got upset (for good reason) at some of the changes made to Star Wars, and now there is kind of a knee jerk reaction go any cosmetic CG changes to movies :P. If they started adding in Rancors in well of souls, i'd be upset But fixing up background shots isn't something that would bother me.

Yes!!! I just finished watching Raiders and thought that "nazis driving off a cliff" scene looked sharper, less fake*, than it has ever looked before. At first, I thought it was my hi-def TV and the uber-sweet letter box broadcast of the film...but I dunno.

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...it just looked sharper and less fake.

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IMO, the troop car sequence was fine the way it was. The CG version now looks so out of place with the rest of the film. But hey, it's only a 3 second shot, it could've been worse (1997 Star Wars SE); as long as I have the original version on DVD, I'm alright.

"...are you crazy?" It looks so much better now. Hopefully they fixed the other "action-figure" cliff scene in Crusade

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Old 05-10-2008, 10:29 PM   #10
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I noticed that, but I think they lingered a little longer on it than necessary, just to make a point so you'll notice it's different.
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Old 05-10-2008, 10:29 PM   #11
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I hope they fix the tank falling scene from Crusade as mentioned above and the green screen effects in Temple of Doom during the bridge scene :P
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Old 05-10-2008, 10:36 PM   #12
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"...are you crazy?" It looks so much better now. Hopefully they fixed the other "action-figure" cliff scene in Crusade

*sigh* That's the problem. It now looks so much better, that now it sticks out from the rest of the movie. You have 1981 filmmaking all of a sudden cut to 2008 CG special effects, then back again to 1981.

The original sequence was fine the way it was. Even though this one does look 'better', it still looks fake, just 3D fake instead of matte painting fake.
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Old 05-10-2008, 10:43 PM   #13
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really? i need to watch it again. in the 3 seconds my mind saw it, i thought it looked right at home with the rest of the film. Did it look that much different as when the ark shot up into the sky and "phoned home?"
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Old 05-10-2008, 10:48 PM   #14
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You would think that the movies being "fixed up" via CGI is something that would be known by know with the new DVDs coming out. I can't imagine it's something Lucas would do on his own without consulting Spielberg first, and even the first time around Spielberg only approved the erasure of the cobra's reflection and the boulder guide rail in Raiders. Perhaps USA is just now using the same remastered version from the DVD, hence why it appears so much sharper?
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Old 05-10-2008, 10:57 PM   #15
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I don't really think it looked like 2008 effects, just better '80s effects. More like a miniature than a matte.
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Old 05-10-2008, 10:59 PM   #16
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The gorge or the car? The car at least was a miniature. I've seen a picture of the model somewhere.
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Old 05-11-2008, 12:34 AM   #17
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I just saw that Raiders was on and decided to watch it. (Like I really needed a reason to. ) Anyway, it does indeed look like the shot has been CGIed, at least the environment itself. I think the camera move is slightly different, too, because the shot did actually stand out to me as something new.

Interesting.....
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Old 05-11-2008, 12:48 AM   #18
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Goddamn Lucas! We need to stop him now before he ruins something else!
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Old 05-11-2008, 01:43 AM   #19
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Hmmm...

... at least the Ewoks haven't been put into Raiders.
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Old 05-11-2008, 01:48 AM   #20
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I don't really think it looked like 2008 effects, just better '80s effects. More like a miniature than a matte.

exxxactly.

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Goddamn Lucas! We need to stop him now before he ruins something else!

Let's have this conversation about George's vision in, ohhhh, about two weeks.

I think this may be what Yoda was talking about. Hope and redemption; and having a back-up plan.

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Old 05-11-2008, 01:51 AM   #21
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I must say, from what I was able to see of it (somewhat-crappy reception), it didn't look too bad. Noticeable as being something new, but not bad. It's probably something that, after seeing it a few more times, I'd get used to and not even give a second thought to anymore. It did appear as if they tried to match the original shot as closely as possible. I wonder why they made the decision, though? Perhaps will be hearing about this soon enough if the shot is in the new DVD coming out.
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Old 05-11-2008, 02:05 AM   #22
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I didn't feel it was out of place at all. I thought it messed quite well with the rest of the film.
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Old 05-11-2008, 09:44 AM   #23
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They probably just touched it up a bit so it looked better. No CGI.
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Old 05-11-2008, 09:48 AM   #24
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Yet another reason for me not to buy the new sets.

But guys, if this is true, try not to put all the blame on Lucas. Spielberg's been known to change around his films too (E.T., Close Encounters).
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Old 05-11-2008, 09:50 AM   #25
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It *was* a CGI touchup, but one that was very well done and faithful to the look and feel of the original shot. I for one was pleasantly surprised.

When my friend and I saw it, we immediately worried that they also had tinkered with the Ark opening finale, or erased the fly going into Belloq's mouth. Fortunately they remained untouched.
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