JuniorJones
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Indy's brother said:Well I didn't mean that I literally didn't believe it. I just meant it was kind of unbelievable to me.
Ha,ha! I know.
Indy's brother said:Well I didn't mean that I literally didn't believe it. I just meant it was kind of unbelievable to me.
DoomsdayFAN said:I just don't understand why they can't go back the formula of the first film.
Attila the Professor said:A fair thing to wonder, but there's going to be a lot of different formulas on the table even if just those of us here tried to describe what the formula was.
Montana Smith said:And when we'd finished arguing, and agreed on a tiny part of that formula, it would probably involve Indy doing something athletic akin to jumping off a horse onto a moving vehicle, coming off the vehicle and then getting back on. Not something we're likely to accept in Indy V.
For KOTCS the stunt was mimicked from Mutt's bike with Indy being dragged into a car and back to the bike. It doesn't have quite the same dramatic effect as the original Yakima Canutt inspired stunt, and as time passes it will be even harder to replicate ROTLA.
Montana Smith said:For KOTCS the stunt was mimicked from Mutt's bike with Indy being dragged into a car and back to the bike. It doesn't have quite the same dramatic effect as the original Yakima Canutt inspired stunt, and as time passes it will be even harder to replicate ROTLA.
Toht's Arm said:This is actually one of my favourite moments of KOTCS, and certainly recalls old-school Indy. I loved the haphazard nature of the stunt, like Indy was never quite sure what he would do next. This make-it-up-as-you-go-along thing is probably one of the defining aspects of Indy, for me.
Whilst the blowing up of the jungle cutter is (quite rightly) seen as a missed opportunity, I think this was an attempt to recall scenes like Indy shooting the Arab swordsman.
I think they have attempted to mimic the formula of the first film all the way through the series, but in our minds have only sporadically succeeded. The same thing will happen for Indy V...
Darth Vile said:Thirdly, whilst they could always return to a more 'real' stunt orientated movie... I'm not sure that's possible with all the modern H&S regulations (someone will know better than me), and even if they weren't restricted by that, I'm not sure if audiences even appreciate that facet of stunt work as much as they used to...
Montana Smith said:It would be a sad day if 'stunts' were completely reduced to CGI sequences, and just as sad if an audience was unhappy unless a stunt was spectacular enough that no human would even attempt it!
The original formula, which as you wrote was partly dictated by budget, involved real action sequences, but also because Lucas was inspired by the stuntwork of the serials. Especially the work of Yakima Canutt, as seen here in Zorro Rides Again (1937):
This, I feel ought to be an essential ingredient, or else Indiana Jones will be emasculated. It will be difficult for him to remain a dominant force on wits alone, even if the Hitchcockian style was attempted.
Montana Smith said:And when we'd finished arguing, and agreed on a tiny part of that formula, it would probably involve Indy doing something athletic akin to jumping off a horse onto a moving vehicle, coming off the vehicle and then getting back on. Not something we're likely to accept in Indy V.
For KOTCS the stunt was mimicked from Mutt's bike with Indy being dragged into a car and back to the bike. It doesn't have quite the same dramatic effect as the original Yakima Canutt inspired stunt, and as time passes it will be even harder to replicate ROTLA.
Maybe this deserves it's own thread, but I thought I'd put it here. Every film has Indy physically jumping from one mode of transport to another.
ROTLA:
TOD:
LC (twice):
KOTCS:
(Didn't Indy jump from the jungle-cutter to the duck as well?)
What should the next jump be? Going over the top to exceed the action in previous installments should be done in ways like this I think. How about jumping from an aerosled (which then goes off a cliff) to the wing of a plane for a cool wing-walking sequence/fight?
Indy's brother said:As I said a while back:
Adding the motorcycle to car transfer that Montana mentioned, and KOTCS arguably may have had the most Indy-ish chase sequences. Mechanically speaking. I think that we can all at least agree that this facet of the formula is present in the series, and needs to continue, should a fifth film ever make it's way to the big-screen.
EDIT: Oh yeah, and in LC, didn't Indy jump from one boat to another at some point? I bet there are a few more examples that I'm missing.
replican't said:Indiana Jones & The Totally Sick Near Field Communication App From Cyberspace
It would truly relevencanise the franchise. Kerching!
replican't said:It would truly relevencanise the franchise. Kerching!
Attila the Professor said:Funny how operating from a deluded perspective can make this look like the thread for complaining about Kingdom of the Crystal Skull...
replican't said:Not really - experience of the crudtastic Crystal Skull can quite rightly be cause for concern over any possible Indy 5.
It's not rocket science mate.