Originally Posted by ClintonHammond
But neither Event Horizon, or Butterfly Effect rate even as high as crappy in my book....
well, both movies are potentially great. event horizon is great for a long time but the end is just terrible and makes the whole movie ridiculous.
same as for butterfly effect. a movie, where even *i* notice the giant black plot holes at the first time i watch it, must be horrible. they made the whole "time travel" thing so complex that they seem to have lost grip at their own logic. at the point in the prison, the main character does something that is so unbelievably far away from the logic of the movie that i didn't trust my eyes. and that's not a minor goof, it rather shows that the filmmakers were too stupid for their own plot - and this is weak.
that's the first reason why i dislike "butterfly effect". the second one is, that the movie has nothing to do with a butterfly effect. it's rather quite the opposite.
"butterfly effect" means (in this context) "minor changes in the past could result in radical historical changes". for example - kill a butterfly in 1930 and we might have had a nuclear war by now.
but the movie never shows, how much minor changes in the past affect the present. it rather shows that great changes leave great parts of the present untouched.
for example: he gets a scar from a cigarette in one of his "flash-backs". if this was an example for a "butterfly effect", you would expect that his entire life changed radically because of this detail. but no - it didn't change a bit, except for the fact that he now has a scar.
and the only times when his present life changes radically are when he changed the past radically - and sometimes not even then. this is a very simple way of telling such a story - and it is wrapped in something as complex as the real "butterfly effect".
this is why i think the movies is crap. the movie is simple, not very imaginative and - even worse - it is done carelessly. goofs like the one i mentioned simply MUST not happen.
no fan would say "well, everybody can make mistakes" if indy accidentally (!) appeared as a nazi in some scenes. would they?