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Old 04-17-2014, 06:50 PM   #476
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they will be playing him in the 30's, you ok?
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Old 04-17-2014, 07:01 PM   #477
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Perhaps Sallah?
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Old 04-17-2014, 07:03 PM   #478
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Good sallah
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Old 04-17-2014, 07:08 PM   #479
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You know, he would be a good Sallah.
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Old 04-17-2014, 07:18 PM   #480
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I just said that
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Old 04-17-2014, 07:30 PM   #481
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Yeah, I know. I was merely echoing your statement.
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Old 04-17-2014, 07:32 PM   #482
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Now your gettin nasty...
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Old Yesterday, 02:30 AM   #483
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OK already! I think we found our new Sallah. Out of the recent suggestions, I would say Hugh Jackman is a good choice. I don't think he's too old, but he would have to be less macho than what we've seen of him to retain the 'everyman' quality of Indiana Jones.
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Old Yesterday, 02:57 AM   #484
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they will be playing him in the 30's, you ok?

Or would they?

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Look at all the great Bond films we'd have missed if they'd ended the films when Connery retired.

Bond didn't retread old ground, but continually moved forward in time through changes of actors, allowing him to age only to a certain point before regenerating.

Imagine if Harrison can't/won't do the next one and it's Disney that gets nasty...





Or Disney do go back in time, but since it's a reboot they decide to shake things up...



1930s African-American university professor struggles against contemporary attitudes and finds relaxation by escaping out of faculty windows in search of treasure in remote parts of the globe.


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OK already! I think we found our new Sallah. Out of the recent suggestions, I would say Hugh Jackman is a good choice. I don't think he's too old, but he would have to be less macho than what we've seen of him to retain the 'everyman' quality of Indiana Jones.



Jackman's a good all-rounder. A better actor than Harrison himself in that regard.

He's 45 now, and will probably be in his 50's by the time Indy gets rebooted. So good for a continuation rather than an adventure from the 1930s.

And that brings me back to the Bond analogy.

And another Australian.



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Old Yesterday, 03:46 AM   #485
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How would Americans feel about an Australian Indy? Does it matter? How Australian does Hugh Jackman seem to Americans or to whomever else for that matter?

An African American Indy would be good, as would an African English Bond. I'm up for an Indy from any racial background (how exotic could we get?), as long as we get an Indy adventure better than CS.
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How would Americans feel about an Australian Indy? Does it matter? How Australian does Hugh Jackman seem to Americans or to whomever else for that matter?

That's an interesting question.

I'd ask Stoo if he thought Hugh was a convincing Canadian, but that kind of film isn't Stoo's cup of tea!


When Hugh plays a non-Australian role I'm not conscious of him being an Australian.

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An African American Indy would be good, as would an African English Bond. I'm up for an Indy from any racial background (how exotic could we get?), as long as we get an Indy adventure better than CS.

I think you hit the main criteria on the head. A good story and engaging characters come first, or else it'll be a Harrison Ford lookalike running around pretending to be Harrison Ford playing Indiana Jones.
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That's an interesting question.

I'd ask Stoo if he thought Hugh was a convincing Canadian, but that kind of film isn't Stoo's cup of tea!


When Hugh plays a non-Australian role I'm not conscious of him being an Australian.

I think you hit the main criteria on the head. A good story and engaging characters come first, or else it'll be a Harrison Ford lookalike running around pretending to be Harrison Ford playing Indiana Jones.

Then he could convince as an Indiana Jones by portraying an American Professor who goes adventuring.

"HF lookalike" is want we want to avoid, which comes back to that divisive argument: could someone else own the role like HF did, without trying to be like HF? I think it's very possible. It's a B grade movie genre so it's not asking the impossible.

But coming back to ethnicity, he has to be American, regardless of ethnic background. For instance, he has to sound American. I'm up for being challenged on this. It's just musings of course.

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Then he could convince as an Indiana Jones by portraying an American Professor who goes adventuring.

He has the acting chops to do just that.

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"HF lookalike" is want we want to avoid, which comes back to that divisive argument: could someone else own the role like HF did, without trying to be like HF? I think it's very possible. It's a B grade movie genre so it's not asking the impossible.

We all grew up with Harrison as the actor portraying the adult Indy on screen. The character himself was born with his likeness as Raiders begins, so any reference back to Harrison or his style of acting will draw comparison.

The new actor would need to re-interpret the role to make it their own, which I think every Bond actor did. That means going back to the original scripts and the 'Big Bang' conference as a starting point.


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But coming back to ethnicity, he has to be American, regardless of ethnic background. For instance, he has to sound American. I'm up for being challenged on this. It's just musings of course.

This topic came up in an email conversation recently with an esteemed member of this establishment. The point was raised that Indy wasn't a patriotic flag-waving American.

My response was that Indy is a man doing his own thing. He could be any nationality, and still do what he did without changing the emphasis of the stories. Small details might change based on international trust issues, e.g., whether a non-American would be employed by the US military to find the Ark. But for films such as TOD and TLC he could be any American-based European nationality, even a free-thinking German. Non-white, or even dark-tanned latin might prove awkward in TLC, or the gaining access to the island in ROTLA.

Essentially I see Indy as an educated and enlightened individual pursing his own agenda. His agenda is occasionally at odds with modern sensibilities, but that's part of the time he lives in and reason he was created as a character.

There are stories to tell and Indy could have such a future with a new actor. But I think the production needs to go back to the basics of what worked in ROTLA: rein in the extremes; find the correct level of violence and humour; add engaging characters played by actors who look like they want to be a part of it; and then take us on a journey.
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Old Yesterday, 06:43 AM   #489
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I don't disagree with anything you said Montana, but what do you mean by he's an "enlightened" individual? I know you don't mean 'Buddhist Enlightened', but do you mean more as a worldly social scientist?
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I don't disagree with anything you said Montana, but what do you mean by he's an "enlightened" individual? I know you don't mean 'Buddhist Enlightened', but do you mean more as a worldly social scientist?

By that I mean that for the period he's living in (1930s especially) he's open-minded. For most of the time he's treating other races and peoples with respect as equals. At that time this wouldn't have been the norm, which is apparent from reading accounts of British and Americans in, say, Africa, India, the Middle East or the Far East.

He crosses social and racial boundaries which for some still today remain as barriers.

That's the modern sensibilities of the character.

Yet we know that Indy has lapses based on his instinctual roguish nature: he doesn't think twice about 'liberating' the fertility idol from the Hovitos; he has to be compelled to help out in TOD. These attributes are the ones that place him back in the period that inspired his stories.

As you wrote he's also enlightened "as a worldly social scientist". He has his archaeological training; languages; history; and even the esoteric knowledge that got him out of the fix with Mola Ram while hanging on the remains of the rope bridge.

He's also enlightened enough not to take anything for granted, regardless of how many strange things he's encountered. Everything is potentially "hocus pocus" until proven otherwise.

These are character traits that any new actor would have to portray, but they could do it in their own manner.
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