Van Helsing

Strider

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I'll admit this film is far from being a masterpiece but I had lots of fun whaching it. They had alot of cool little Indiana Jones elements thrown in. The moving red line on the map for instance, I know that Casablanka started this but Indy made it famous, and to see it again in Van Helsing was a bit of a treat. I didn't know whether to be outraged or pleased as it stretched across the screen, instead I just laughed.
 

hffan2000

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i think van helsing was a great start to the summer movie season. i mean yeah it has its flaws but all it's really trying to be is a B movie and nothing more. it's darn fun.
 

Pale Horse

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I hate the bastardization of literature. Sometimes the reference to the masters of language is the best lesson for us all:

"All men are mad in some way or the other, and inasmuch as you deal discreetly with your madmen, so deal with God's madmen too, the rest of the world. You tell not your madmen what you do nor why you do it. You tell them not what you think."
 

Finn

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I heard that this caused a slight fuss on some other board some little helper of mine posted it. Anyway, let's post it here as well.

The following was originally published in the May Issue of Finnish movie magazine known as Elitisti, written by Ilja Rautsi. This is all fictional satire. Original article was Finnish, the translation to English was made by me. Despite the fact Van Helsing was an okay movie in my book, this sharply points out the flaws and irritations there was to be seen when watching it.

(Okay, that was one bad typo, I admit.)
 
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Finn

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EXCLUSIVE: AN INTERVIEW WITH STEPHEN SOMMERS

Ilja Rautsi: Mr. Sommers...

Stephen Sommers: Just call me Steve, okay? My ADHD is so bad that I can't recall my full name.

IR: ...errr, okay. Steve, my man, I've just seen your newest car-crash-disguised-as-a-movie called Van Helsing. My initial thoughts are stupefaction and deep certainty that I've seen the most hard-clucking turkey since The Dreamcatcher. There is no rhyme or reason in your movie, and hardly any excitement at all. In fact, I even feel ashamed to call it a movie. It appears to be nothing but a series of ever-repeating action scenes that never manage to pick up in intensity. What's your say?

SS: Well, I dunno about turkey... ain't that a bird? I rarely see any real animals since everything can be created by using CGI anyway. But here in the Sommers Melodramatic Wonderland we sternly believe that too much is never enough... if somebody can stand, they can walk. But if somebody can walk, why wouldn't they run? And why stop there? Simple running is boring, there must be explosives around! The runner could avoid them by making somersaults and... no, now I got it! He's avoiding the explosions by jumping from trampoline to another, making triple somersaults! In the middle of the Paris World Fair while the UFOs attack! There, there is my next movie!

IR: Well, that sounds exciting, doesn't it? But what if we stick to THIS movie for now. It's funny that you mentioned the "Melodramatic Wonderland", because I think these three Drac's brides in your movie seem to live in a never-ending pantomime (soap) opera reality...

SS: Yes, yes indeed.

IR: For example, in the scene where Drac poses on the top of his castle, briefly after Van Helsing has destroyed his first herd of vampire babies, these three chicks wail and widdle on the backround as if they were in an underwater dance performance. Were you trying to ridicule something when filming this?

SS: I'm sorry, I missed the point.

IR: C'mon, Steve... one of these widdly bimbos even says that "I know what lurks in your lusty heart" in one scene. Or, actually: "I nnou vat lurks in yoor lasti haartt." Shouldn't this line be in the "Days of our Lives" or... let's say "athmospheric" gothic porn?

SS: No, that's actually a deeply charming...

IR: Don't you mean "curvy"?

SS: No, "charming"... character's intense line that reveals something crucial about the soul of Kate Beckinsale's character.

IR: Ah, Kate Beckinsale! I liked the way she is introduced in the movie. The camera spans from the ground level so that first we see her round bun in pants two sizes too tight, then her sides that are inside a corset even tighter, then lace-rounded boobs, and finally, as the cherry on top, her face in perfect make-up.

SS: Thank you, thank you. It's one of the shots I'm especially proud of. Actually, we shot it eighteen times to secure the best possible outcome.

IR: Is that the reason Beckinsale mouths her lines like she was just losing breath? Because her corset is way too tight?

SS: I'm impressed by your attentive eye. In fact, I had written a subplot that shows in flashbacks how Dr. Frankenstein removed four of her ribs so that she could fit in her clothes. It's a pity I had to cut it out. Oh well, there is always the chance for a sequel...

IR: Did that subplot also explain why Kate is hanging around in her clean court-like clothes in a shanty village among dirty paupers with bad dental care?

SS: Hmm, I knew there was a plot hole somewhere.

IR: Roger that. Then, let's move on to Hugh Jackman aka Van Helsing. In X-Men, Jackman plays a bitter and rogue outsider who doesn't remember a thing from his past. In Van Helsing, Jackman plays a bitter and rogue outsider who doesn't remember a thing from his past.

SS: And your point is?

IR: ...nothing, I guess. But I have to admit that Jackman might be the only one who surfs through this all with the least stains on his reputation. He's got the least wacky accent, the coolest costume and despite the paper-thin character, he still manages to maintain some credibility. His mystery-filled past doesn't appear all that mystery-filled after all, even if you do leave some questions unanswered in the end.

SS: What do you mean, "not-so-mystery-filled"? No one in the production company understood what was the deal with him.

IR: Not even that his first name is Gabriel and he's the "Left Hand of God"?

SS: Yes!

IR: Alrighty. Now, I'd like to ask... hypothetically, let's imagine a situation in which the audience would somehow begin to care about these cardboard statuettes rushing here and there during the movie, perhaps just by a sheer accident.

SS: I'm with you. Go on.

IR: Well, what's the point in transforming Jackman to a big CGI werewolf at the end of the movie, with not a single recognizable characteristic of Dr. Van Helsing left visible? And make him fight a CGI monster Dracula? That scene immediately brought the finale of "Mortal Kombat 2" back to my mind.

SS: Now I'm not with you any more. CGI is cool!

IR: But who cares about watching two piles of GIF images roll around the screen in an absurd-looking ball. It's hard to feel any kind of sympathy for them, on any level.

SS: Sympathy? That's just a plain exciting scene!

IR: Yeah, the excitement. The scene in which a horse cart jumps over a big ravine would have sought a rival in improbability, but by then you had already managed to maul probability into a shape its own mommy couldn't recognize. To deal with the movie's credibility problems we'd need another interview, and we don't have time for that now.

SS: It's okay, somehow I think I wouldn't even have patience for another. I don't think that the audience bothers to think about what's actually happening on the screen. You don't think while you're in movies! And I'm doing my best to stop this nasty thinking thing by bringing them a thrilling scene after another.

IR: Doesn't that just make your senses numb?

SS: ...

IR: Okay, let's move on. Going back to Jackman... I'd like to point out that he's doing way more rope-swinging than Tarzan does by average in one of his movies, so it was kinda cute to see him wearing nothing but a torn cloth over his family heirlooms. Was this intentional?

SS: Of course. Another reason for this was to make the female viewer's hearts flutter - after all Hugh is a hairy macho man.
 

Finn

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IR: We've already discussed Beckinsale, so let's get to Richard Roxburgh, who plays Dracula.

SS: Richard was marvelous! He completely got what I was going after with this movie!

IR: At least he had the wackiest accent in this parade of wacky accents. But seriously. I've understood that with this movie, you're paying homage to old Universal horror flicks like "Frankenstein" and "Dracula".

SS: Exactly.

IR: I think you're not exactly reaching your mark. Instead you reach some of the later aspects of the one and only Dracula Bela Lugosi's career pretty effectively. When Roxburgh explains in his charisma-free performance that Kate is "A puppet on my string", I can't help but think Lugosi as the god-like character in Ed Wood's "Glen or Glenda", yelling "Pul ze STRINK! Pul ze STRINK!!" Likewise, the scene in which he starts walking up a straight wall with overly ridiculous gait is the funniest unintentional humor I've seen since John Travolta's ballsack armor in "Battlefield Earth".

SS: It's not humor, it's impressive! Why do you always doubt my judgment? No one ever did that while filming!

IR: No comment on that, but... still, sticking with that same scene, I'd like to know why Dracula keeps going on for minutes about how he doesn't feel a thing?

SS: You'd be ticked too if you wouldn't feel a thing! It's the heavy burden brought on by the gift of eternal life in complete loneliness!

IR: Exactly. If he doesn't feel a thing, how can he be so ticked about it?

SS: ...err...well, you see...it's a bit like... No, now I forgot the original question! Next, please!

IR: As you wish. Do you think yourself as the modern counterpart to Ed Wood?

SS: I don't get it. My movies make money like hotcakes. Ed didn't make a penny.

IR: Well, yes, but... you both are (I'm going to speak as if Ed was still alive) obviously excited about making movies, even in love with that. You like horror and you want to pay homage to past icons with your works, but the only thing that can be seen on the finished product is that you care about them, not that you're be able to do something with them. You basically understand what there should be in a movie: drama, excitement, etcetera. But you both don't have the slightest idea about how this atmosphere is created or of what a movie is made of. One can't even mention structure, good taste is a complete stranger to you, and rhythm might have something to do with bongo drums.

SS: But... my... movies... make... money!

IR: Yes they do, Steve, yes they do. Don't worry, you will surely be rememberd by the future generations.

SS: No doubt about that.

IR: Actually, I'd like to use the metaphor that Van Helsing is as a movie to what Frankenstein's monster is as a man; it has all the necessary parts, coming from multiple sources and they form a shape vaguely familiar, but the full picture does not form a summa summarum and the final result is all plastic. And yet, they're still oddly fascinating to watch, bit like a car crash.

SS: Car crash! That's what's I was missing! There will definitely be a car crash in my next movie!

IR: Sounds good. Very good. But now we're running out of time, so one last question...

SS: Hit me.

IR: When Van Helsing and that friar with another freaky accent, played by David Wenham, prepare for a masked ball, Wenham is wearing a joker's outfit. When he first appears on screen in that outfit, he says that the nice hat with tinkerbells "is a little too much." Was this an implicit hint that your movie actually might be a little too much? I was almost tempted to pat David on the shoulder and say, "Don't worry, your hat is the last thing that's too much in this movie..."

SS: There was no hidden meanings in that, it was just a funny hat. In fact, while shooting that scene, I got an idea about making David's character stepping in a pile of shi... sorry, poo, but it was too late to get any of that, and I don't think you can yet use computers to generate authentic poo.

IR: After seeing your movie, I dare to disagree. Thank you Mr. Sommers, it was a pleasure to chat with you.

SS: The pleasure was all mine. Thank you.

(Broken in two parts due to the 10,000-character post limit.)
 

Joe Brody

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Finn said:
I heard that this caused a slight wuss on some other board

'wuss'?

Here's the Webster's entry:

Main Entry: wuss
Pronunciation: 'wus
Variant(s): also wus·sy /'wu-sE/
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural wuss·es also wus·sies
Etymology: origin unknown
: WIMP
- wussy adjective


From a slang dictionary:

wuss Noun. An inneffectual, feeble person. It has been suggested that this is a derivative of 'wimp' and '*****'. The term become very fashionable in Britain during the mid 1990s. [Orig. U.S.]

Finn, I know I'm setting myself up for abuse here -- and I've got no opinion one way or another on the underlying issue. I'm just curious, are you using 'wuss' to mean 'commotion' or 'to-do'?
 

Joe Brody

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Pale Horse said:
I hate the bastardization of literature. . . .

Do you mean taking characters created by Bram Stoker, Mary Shelley and Robert Louis Stevenson and coming up with something new?
 

Pale Horse

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Joe Brody said:
Do you mean taking characters created by Bram Stoker, Mary Shelley and Robert Louis Stevenson and coming up with something new?

Yes, but not entirely new, more like "this is what the author intended."
 

Finn

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When I went to see this flick, I already had a strong hunch that it was going to be a trademark Stephen Sommers movie - which meant that I knew I wouldn't enjoy it if I hadn't turned off all the intelligent activity in my brain and just enjoy the ride. It was a little cheesy and held some unintentional humor, but the only thing I really found bad was the new idea about the only way Dracula can be killed... that was so far off from the original legacy of these classic movie monsters, the only major violation.

I personally have mixed thoughts about this movie. Somewhere in the back of my mind a little voice is yelling that my intelligence has been insulted, arguing with the thought that I knew exactly what kind of movie it was going to be and thus enjoy it.
 

Katarn07

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I'll see it when it's on DVD. Is it like the new Mummy movie? Better or worse? About the same?

I for one love watching the Mummy on TNT and I don't care what the critics say about it! :D

And on a side note - Wuss became popular in the mid - 1990s? Heh, that's odd :p
 

Dr. HenryJones.jr

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Van Helsing rulez

ewww...I've saw third time Van Helsing movie and it was brillant action in this summer movie! But I don't talk about the mad critics to poor CGI effects....etc....
I love that werewolf, Count Dracula...my Gabriel! :D and by the least Anna , Velkan and three Dracula's bride

I hope, in the the sequels of Van Helsing will better....

end of movie, I was cried...rowwllll

I'd said, I am Hugh Jackman fan!!! very huge fan of him! *I am going by nuts!*
 
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Strider

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Hugh Jackman is great, I loved his portrayal of Wolverine. Some people say I look a little like him.
 

VP

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Finn said:
<small>(Divided in two parts thanks to the fact this board seems to have [no, it has] a 10 000-character limit per post.)</small>

Always look at the bright side: You got two posts instead of just one.

I haven't seen Van Helsing yet. Maybe I'll rent the DVD when it comes.
 
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