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Old 03-12-2014, 02:07 PM   #1
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Has anyone's feelings for KOTCS softened?

In the six years since KOTC's release, has anyone else's feelings for the film softened? What I mean us, if you disliked it when it came out, have you grown warmer toward the film in the half decade sense?
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Old 03-12-2014, 03:11 PM   #2
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Still SUUUUUUUXXXXXX!!!!!

I haven't softened at all. Extremely disappointed when it came out, and even with very low expectations watching again, it's still disappointing.

Nice to see Ford wearing the hat, and to see Marion return, but bad script filled with lame one-liners for the first half hour, terrible plot, McGuffin that couldn't be worse, and annoying sidekick. That's for starters. I could go on, but I won't.

Raiders belongs in a museum. Crystal Skull belongs in the space between spaces.
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Old 03-12-2014, 04:41 PM   #3
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McGuffin that couldn't be worse.

So you're saying even the Sankara Stones were more interesting than the skull?

Oooooookee-dokey...
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Old 03-12-2014, 05:46 PM   #4
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In the six years since KOTC's release, has anyone else's feelings for the film softened? What I mean us, if you disliked it when it came out, have you grown warmer toward the film in the half decade sense?
My position toward the movie, itself, hasn't changed. I'm still neutral (don't love it / don't hate it) but I now wish that it had never been made, simply because it's so tiresome to see Lucas' name being drawn through the mud (even more than it was before) when he wasn't even responsible for some of the film's largest criticisms. The movie still continues to pop up as a target for bozos who waste time making videos about movies, filmmakers & actors that they don't like.

On the other hand, I'm happy that a portion of younger fans (who grew up with him on home video/TV) were able to experience the excitement of seeing a new Indy film at the cinema for the 1st time…as well as a new generation being introduced to Dr. Jones in 2008.

Some more opinions can found in this thread...from just a couple of months ago:

A new found fondness for KotCS as a film student and writer
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Old 03-12-2014, 06:00 PM   #5
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Well said Stoo, to everybody out there.... don't forget this is one of many adventures !!! Not my favorite movie of all the Indy films but I appreciate it, it came at a very tough time for me (lost my grandparents)... made my hair stand up on my arms 'cause my favorite hero came back !!! Truly this movie isn't as bad as it seems but whatever !!! Stoo tell us how was the Tiki scene in S.F. area andf so on ?? Yes, other thread.
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Old 03-13-2014, 03:55 AM   #6
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I haven't softened at all.

Nor me.

But then the OP keeps reminding us that Nolan and Spielberg are incompatible so I have no choice but to keep taking the tablets.





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Old 03-13-2014, 09:04 AM   #7
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So you're saying even the Sankara Stones were more interesting than the skull?

Oooooookee-dokey...

Yeah, they glowed, maybe had diamonds inside, (presumably) gave people the power to rip hearts out with their bare hands, and brought back life to the little village. AND, they were at least loosely based on something real.

I'd rather see a plain old rock with three lines than a mind-melding (magnetic) alien skull (one of 13 super skeletal skull beings, waiting to reunite) that makes people drool while they gaze blankly into it's hollow eye sockets and glimpse the secrets of the universe. Absolutely stupid stuff. Beyond the worst b-movie sci-fi flicks of any era.

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On the other hand, I'm happy that a portion of younger fans (who grew up with him on home video/TV) were able to experience the excitement of seeing a new Indy film at the cinema for the 1st time…as well as a new generation being introduced to Dr. Jones in 2008.

Totally agree, particularly because Raiders was re-released in Imax, and they had the Indy marathon, with all four films in one day. I don't think either would have happened without CS.
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Old 03-13-2014, 04:16 PM   #8
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Softened? SOFTENED???!!! It's now harder than neutron matter!!! In fact, it makes neutron matter look soft. What got soft was GL. SS just melted away and Harry couldn't save it.

How could anybody soften to it? That's the question.
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Old 03-13-2014, 05:21 PM   #9
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Yeah, they glowed, maybe had diamonds inside, (presumably) gave people the power to rip hearts out with their bare hands, and brought back life to the little village. AND, they were at least loosely based on something real.

I'd rather see a plain old rock with three lines than a mind-melding (magnetic) alien skull (one of 13 super skeletal skull beings, waiting to reunite) that makes people drool while they gaze blankly into it's hollow eye sockets and glimpse the secrets of the universe. Absolutely stupid stuff. Beyond the worst b-movie sci-fi flicks of any era.

Huh...let's chalk this sucker up to a difference of taste. I'll take a mystical skull belonging to a long-lost culture that holds the key to ultimate knowledge over, um, a couple rocks that glow and make flowers grow and can burn through satchels. And lest we forget, I don't remember it ever being said that the stones gave Mola Ram that ability.

Plus, the search for ultimate knowledge is the stuff of stupidity? Please say that to a scientist, any scientist, and enjoy the cold looks.
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Old 03-13-2014, 06:10 PM   #10
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Nor me.


Yeah, if anything, you've harden on it. As I recall, you liked Kingdom of the Crystal Skull early on, even listed it among the best films of the decade.

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Old 03-14-2014, 12:03 AM   #11
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How could anybody soften to it? That's the question.



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Yeah, if anything, you've harden on it. As I recall, you liked Kingdom of the Crystal Skull early on, even listed it among the best films of the decade.


But there was a disclaimer for everything in that list! (Apart from Milla. Because she doesn't need an excuse).

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Lord of the Rings trilogy (for sheer beauty and remarkable faithfulness to Tolkien)

King Kong (a visual feast and a classic 1930s story)

Batman Begins (for making Batman more real world)

The Dark Knight (for making the Joker more psychotic)

Kill Bill 1 & 2 (a Tarantino triumph)

KOTCS (for breathing new life into Indy)

Iron Man (for no particular reason, other than making something stunning out of a dull Marvel character)

Hellboy (for getting Mignola's character into prominence)

Silent Hill (for being strangely compelling)

Saw and its sequels (for being a guilty pleasure)

The Punisher (for being better than the original)

Snatch (cos Rocket's list reminded me how funny this movie was)

Enemy at the Gates (for presenting the horrors of war)

And anything with Milla Jovovich...

That was also when I used to be an Indy fan. Seeing KOTCS re-ignited an old obsession, but that's over now. I haven't seen or wanted to see an Indy movie in years. There are other more involving properties that I do revisit, such as the Star Wars original trilogy, Planet of the Apes, The Terminator, Predator, Alien, Batman, The Punisher... But not Indy.

Now I'd rather that Indy had just died falling off his horse after riding into the sunset in 1989.

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Old 03-14-2014, 03:58 AM   #12
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I only come to The Raven for the non-alcoholic beer.




'Uh-huhuhuhuh... softened...'




Idunno if I can say I've warmed to KotCS over the years, but I have distinct memories of the time around when it came out. Different era of my life. Indy IV and seeing it with good friends was one notable experience, even though I left the theater with very mixed feelings about the film itself.
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Old 03-14-2014, 09:18 AM   #13
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But there was a disclaimer for everything in that list! (Apart from Milla. Because she doesn't need an excuse).



That was also when I used to be an Indy fan. Seeing KOTCS re-ignited an old obsession, but that's over now. I haven't seen or wanted to see an Indy movie in years. There are other more involving properties that I do revisit, such as the Star Wars original trilogy, Planet of the Apes, The Terminator, Predator, Alien, Batman, The Punisher... But not Indy.

Now I'd rather that Indy had just died falling off his horse after riding into the sunset in 1989.

I only come to The Raven for the non-alcoholic beer.

And this is why this site is near dead. One of our biggest posters isn't even a fan anymore and all that happens here is CS bashing and it has gotten old after 6 years. I used to love this site and now there is nothing ever to read here anymore unless I want to read how bad CS was. It is a little bit sad.
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Old 03-14-2014, 10:22 AM   #14
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My opinion on the movie is pretty much what it was opening night, but I've revisited it many times in an attempt to examine/clarify why I feel the way I do about it, which took me awhile, strangely.

It might be one of the most fascinating disappointments I've ever had at the movies. I went in expecting I could be disappointed, certainly, but it was not disappointing for any of the reasons I considered probable.
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And this is why this site is near dead.

Then it's up to the fans to write things about Indiana Jones. If they can't think of anything to write then it's evidence that there isn't much general interest left anyway.

Indy is a very niche property now. Barely a pimple on Disney's great big fat arse.

He had his run. He ran out of steam. George lost interest because he'd really done all he wanted to do with the character in three films.

Indy is a very small subject compared to the bloated mass of something like Star Wars or Marvel Comics.

Just look at toy sales. Star Wars has been constantly on shelves and pegs since 1995. I doubt Marvel has never been off the shelves and pegs in some form or another.

Indy toys are a relative rarity by comparison. Even a fourth film with a younger co-star couldn't raise enough interest to get the last wave of figures a general release.


Because Indy is such a small subject I've always looked for excuses to expand into other areas to sustain some interest - such as Military uniforms throughout the films.
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Old 03-14-2014, 01:02 PM   #16
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Plus, the search for ultimate knowledge is the stuff of stupidity? Please say that to a scientist, any scientist, and enjoy the cold looks.

The search for ultimate knowledge through staring into the eye sockets of a crystal alien skull? Yeah, good luck talking to "any" scientist about that one. They'll pull out some books on it, from the shelf with their texts on Chariots of the Gods, the Loch Ness monster, and Big Foot.

In Temple, when Indy says "I understand their power now," he's looking at all the kids who have come home and returned life to the village. The rock is in it's shrine and world seems complete. It's a symbolic thing, and that really hits home.

For me it's a lot better than watching the ship rise from the earth and disappear into the space between spaces.

But as you said, I think we can chalk it up to a difference of taste. I like a good sci-fi flick, but I didn't think CS was one of them.
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Old 03-14-2014, 04:23 PM   #17
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Then it's up to the fans to write things about Indiana Jones. If they can't think of anything to write then it's evidence that there isn't much general interest left anyway.

I think what he was getting at was the aggravating fact you admit to not even really caring much about the character, and yet...you're here. And worse, for some bizarre reason you just can't resist the compulsion to jab at Crystal Skull whenever there's a thread that in any way involves the films, the character, the games, the books, Lucas, Spielberg, Ford, LaBeouf....well, pretty much any of it.

I'm with Henry W Jones, in that you're the guy who attends a party even though he doesn't really like the host all that much, and spends the whole evening roasting him right in front of his admirers. And when people like me try to call you out on it...you respond with a quip, instead of acknowledging how rude it is.

And on that note, it's now especially depressing, your mocking of KOTCS, knowing you actually loved it at one time. Maybe that's why you're so obnoxiously vitriolic? Lord Voldemort would be proud of the hypocrisy...
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And on that note, it's now especially depressing, your mocking of KOTCS, knowing you actually loved it at one time. Maybe that's why you're so obnoxiously vitriolic? Lord Voldemort would be proud of the hypocrisy...

I never "loved" KOTCS. I wouldn't have stooped that low. It remained in a neutral state balanced by the good parts.

There was a time when Indiana Jones meant something, and KOTCS brought an old obsession back to the fore. That's the only reason the film was ever on that list, as evidenced by the disclaimer at the time.

Noting that I'm no longer a fan is nothing new. Said that ages ago.

Has nothing to do with the host. Just the peanuts on the bar.

For the most part this place is as dull as KOTCS itself, but it became habit forming.

Every day is intended to be my last, but old habits die hard.

Never mind, all good things come to those who...
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For the most part this place is as dull as KOTCS itself, but it became habit forming.

Every day is intended to be my last, but old habits die hard.

In this case, such habit is "raining on real fans' parade."
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In this case, such habit is "raining on real fans' parade."

Not much of a parade, is it?

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In this case, such habit is "raining on real fans' parade."

Celebrate Nolan, peasant!!!!!!!!!!
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It hasn't softened, nor has it hardened. I'm in the same mindset as I was back in 2008. I like it but I don't love it. I like it but I don't hate it. I'm on the fence looking over both sides from time-to-time, but my rear may be edging closer to the 'liking it' side these days.

I just don't see how this debate can still be continuing after all these years. It's well trampled ground by now.
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I just don't see how this debate can still be continuing after all these years. It's well trampled ground by now.

There is no debate. Just opinion.

Back in the good old days of this forum:

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Less than zero suspense, and sphincter-clenchingly bad characters. Those are KOCS'' glaring faults. It's a film on rails, a parade of frames that move us inexorablly towards its creaking, cheesecrust conclusion. Spielberg and Lucas (and whichever overpaid moron was responsible for the excrementary script) should win an award for their film making here. Never before have I witnessed such a towering achievement in creating a film so utterly undemanding of involvement from its audience. All of the characters - from poor,shrugging, confused old Indy to his plastic surgerised annoying missus and punchable twat of a son, right the way down to the cardboard cut out Russians and cgi extras moonlighting between Madagascar sequels - are wheeled on so we can watch them dance and flop around with sh*t-eating grins, flailing motivations and blank eyes, seemingly oblivious to the fact that we ache for them to just clear off the screen sharpish so we can get on with more interesting stuff like the washing up and cutting our toenails.

Any film that makes me actively prefer to confront my own sorry life, well it's begging for a merciful bullet between the eyes. And a boot to the groin while it's going down, just to be sure.

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Celebrate Nolan, peasant!!!!!!!!!!

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There is no debate. Just opinion.

The same tired opinions that's been rehashed over and over again.
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There is no debate. Just opinion.

Back in the good old days of this forum:



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Is KOTCS the worst film ever made, Nolanite?
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