Michael Jackson Dead(?)

Chicago Jones

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J5 was the first band I ever heard. "Hold Me" was the first song I ever heard of MJ's and that was when I was 6 or 7...But I fell in love with his pure talent and I soon learend of his "child like" heart, something I can relate to. I followed and supported him through all his trails and tribulations. We sure did lose an ambassador of Peace, Love and Music.
 
It's a shame that there are people out there deserving of that money, respect and attention yet we shower it on these spectacles and self indulgent freaks.

With all the money he made/generated and still his appetites, whims and desires put him 400 million in debt.

The manifestation of consumption and all things wrong in the world.

That he wrote some songs, (or had them written for him) is no justification for such wanton, wasteful, impulsive spending when people are out of their homes...simply sinful.
 

DocWhiskey

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He actually did a lot for the under privileged. He took underpivliged children to Neverland. He donated money and clothing to hundreds of organizations. He started his own save-the-world organization. He'd visit tons of children hospitals and donate toys and money. He even gave New York 1 million dollars after 9/11.

But you don't hear about that because he wasn't after any young boy's gullie hole.

Could he have done more? Of course.

But so could we. So could everybody. But we're human. EVeryone says how "trendy" it is now to love Michael Jackson. But a month ago it was "trendy" to attack him.

Your opinion is your opinion. And I can't change that on an Indiana Jones message board.
 
DocWhiskey said:
He actually did a lot for the under privileged. He took underpivliged children to Neverland. He donated money and clothing to hundreds of organizations. He started his own save-the-world organization. He'd visit tons of children hospitals and donate toys and money. He even gave New York 1 million dollars after 9/11.

Your opinion is your opinion. And I can't change that on an Indiana Jones message board.

I recognize the cynic in me and as such your examples sound like tax write offs to me, nothing the government wasn't already taking.

I felt sad when Stevie Ray Vaughn died as well as Rick Wright, so I understand people’s feelings up to a point. But to throw good money after bad is insane and self aggrandizing. If he were a humanitarian, they could have funneled that money to better use.

I'm not really looking to change your opinion, just trying to get some insight as to how this can be rationalized. Maybe there's something I haven't considered...but I've not heard any of the like.

It truely boggles my mind that someone can be moved by such superfluous tripe...but then again it's all opinion.

The facts are shameful.
 
Rocket Surgeon said:
I recognize the cynic in me and as such your examples sound like tax write offs to me, nothing the government wasn't already taking.

I felt sad when Stevie Ray Vaughn died as well as Rick Wright, so I understand people’s feelings up to a point. But to throw good money after bad is insane and self aggrandizing. If he were a humanitarian, they could have funneled that money to better use.

I'm not really looking to change your opinion, just trying to get some insight as to how this can be rationalized. Maybe there's something I haven't considered...but I've not heard any of the like.


Mr. Surgeon, for once you and I are on the same page.

I was going to use that same example of Rick. Of Syd too. They're just people, I appreciate their art, I respect them. But never did they subscribe to this wasteful, excessive life-style that Jacko had. Sure, Syd had a year or two of wild excess but then resigned himself to seclusion. They died as humbly as they lived. And just because they're popular, we don't need to be forced to support them in death.
 
ResidentAlien said:
Mr. Surgeon, for once you and I are on the same page.

I hear ya...

I don't even care about how he spends his money. What's offensive is to make him out to be something he's not.

Opinions I have no interest in arguing, (on this point), it's the facts of his life that are shamefull. Let's celebrate OJ NOW! BEFORE he dies! He wasn't convicted. That's a fact! Let's have a benefit for OJ!
 

DocWhiskey

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Rocket Surgeon said:
What's offensive is to make him out to be something he's not.

When he was alive they made him out to be an evil pedophile.

When he died they made him out to be a saint.

They media can shape you into whatever they want. And many people ate it up.

I agree with what you guys are saying. I'm not blind to MJ's "bad" history. I don't really care about any celebrity's personal life. I just learned a lot about the guy with the ungodly amount of reporting of his death on every news channel.

I like his music. When "Thriller" was new I can groove to it. When MJ was charged with child molestation I still grooved to Thriller. And now MJ is dead and I can still groove to Thriller.

I like his music. That's where it begins and ends for me. I'm not one of those crazy MJ fans who put their fingers in their ears.
 

Nurhachi1991

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ResidentAlien said:
No, Jackson's death is a reminder that any low-life piece of **** can be turned into a martyr with a little PR spin.

Resident thats really ****** up. You can think what ever you want of the guy but no matter what you say or think he did alot of good and helped alot of people
 
Nurhachi1991 said:
Resident thats really ****** up. You can think what ever you want of the guy but no matter what you say or think he did alot of good and helped alot of people


What's ****ed up is that suddenly you're a racist if you dislike Jackson... I should know... I've been accused of it several times this week.


It's all just media blitz turning him to a martyr.
 

Nurhachi1991

Well-known member
ResidentAlien said:
What's ****ed up is that suddenly you're a racist if you dislike Jackson... I should know... I've been accused of it several times this week.


It's all just media blitz turning him to a martyr.


What does race have to do with it? I'm not calling you a racist I was just saying calling MJ a low life piece of **** is a pretty *****ed up thing to say
 
Nurhachi1991 said:
What does race have to do with it? I'm not calling you a racist I was just saying calling MJ a low life piece of **** is a pretty *****ed up thing to say


Race has everything to do with it-- as I've been saying, he's been made a martyr by the media. A martyr for "peace" and for "race relations."

Ironically enough, he didn't seem to value his own race enough to stay black... Michael was nothing but a mentally disturbed person and making him out to be anything more is just delusion. It's the same reason I hate when people talk of Syd Barrett as some musical prophet. He was disturbed-- he made great music, respect him for that... but he was still only a man with a ****load of problems.
 
Nurhachi1991 said:
You can think what ever you want of the guy but no matter what you say or think he did alot of good and helped alot of people

No offence Hachi, but what good did he do and who did he help.

Please don't refer to Doc's points, I'm only going to recommend checking out tax laws.
 

deckard24

New member
ResidentAlien said:
Ugh, all this post-facto Jacko love is seriously disgusting. And that $1.4 million number really exemplifies everything that's wrong with this tabloid-driven society.
I'm with you man!
 
this whole race thing is ridiculous, who cares what color a guy is. Expecially when the guy has a discease (vilitigo and lupus). It was proven many times.

His long-time dermatologist spoke about it this week on CNN :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpkLZxB-tvw

interesting example on a young black girl :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSylVFHRvZE


I understand people who are sick of the media coverage, its like funeral pornography and its a real shame. But at the same time, they trashed him so much when he was alive, it will never be enough to rehabilitate him. Sick world, what do you want :sick:

I guess it doesnt change what he accomplished and its the important thing. Its just too bad it stops some people to be interesting by him and what he created, on wrong assumptions.


By the way, update on the video game :
http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/100/1002639p1.html
(y)
 

Finn

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Staff member
Skylover SC said:
I understand people who are sick of the media coverage, its like funeral pornography and its a real shame. But at the same time, they trashed him so much when he was alive, it will never be enough to rehabilitate him. Sick world, what do you want :sick:
Hold on, are you saying that because Jacko was so badly trashed in life all the coverage he gets in his death is justified?

Hopefully not, since to me this kind of behavior spells hypocrisy at its best. Yeah, I know, it's a custom that's been around in some form since the antique times. De mortuiis nihil nisi bene, but even then you could only speak of the things he did that were genuinely good, not trying to turn black into white (no pun). Leave the grey alone too.
 
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Nurhachi1991

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Rocket Surgeon said:
No offence Hachi, but what good did he do and who did he help.

Please don't refer to Doc's points, I'm only going to recommend checking out tax laws.


He did alot he has donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to childrens hospitals,AIDs foundations ect.

He even gave his original jacket he wore in Beat It and his trademark glove that he wore to the music awards to a terminaly ill child who was dying of cancer.


and last but not least his music made alot of people happy including myself so in my book he was a good person. Yes he was pretty strange in his later years but he was still a good person
 
Nurhachi1991 said:
I got my beat it Piano shirt in the mail today!!!! Isn't that awesome Rocket Surgeon!

Mine is the model that actually plays! You got the same one?
The sample song is a special remix of Rock and Roll Pt 1 by Gary Glitter with sound bites of Jeffrey Jones, Ferris Bueller's principal.(y)
 
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