A High Five for Indy V!

Pale Horse

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In true Pale Horse fashion, I will again reveal the fertile ground available for the screenwriters of Indy V, or as I like to call it Indiana Jones and the Pinch of Grace*

Attached firmly to my belief in the artifact in the ‘Tree of Life’, and my lament at the passing of previous writings to effectively use four to wrap the series up, I will discourse here the use of 5 (FIVE) to perfect my wayward style before.

Once again our intrepid and execrable hero has lost his woman-his eternal prize, this time to cancer. (Feels like off-ing Jar jar binks, doesn't it). In true Raven Forum fashion, we find Indy at the bottom of a barrel. The year is 1959. The paramount logo fades into a seemingly Nepalese twilight but we see that it's really Mt. McKinley and Indy is in Alaska. (the 50th state, now ;)). Revelers are celebrating the joining of the union, but Indy is remembering Marion, with a picture of Mutt at a College in Turkey.

While Indy is down, a grizzled and aged Inuit approaches him and foretells our protagonist of a place where death does not exist. Skeptical, Indy listens, only because his new friend is pouring the whiskey now. Unlike the cynic in Raiders, Indy is patronizing. Regaled in true storytelling fashion is the myth of the five cardinals who escort one beyond death. Indy effaced and frail, passes out from a lack of eating for many days, and the Inuit carries him out of the bar.

Cut to Mutt, in Turkey. Now buried in the study of Ancient Babylon. Mutt is now a Muslim student in a class similar to the ones his dad used to teach. Mutt is about to venture to Eden but he doesn't know it. Per the forgettable and insignificant professor, this site is one pillar of five on the planet that mark the Garden...and the entrance to a place that transcends death. Mutt is now riled up, and begins to research more as the Five Pillars of Islam now have a tangible and verifiable place in History, beyond religion. The one at this site is related to FASTING.

See what I did there? Mutt and Indy paralleled.

After the obligatory betrayal scene where Mutt is now used as a pawn (much like Henry was) we will see that Indy will have to pursue Mutt, to save him from his demise. Like Crusade it's not about the prize it's about the legacy. Only Mutt will see that this Garden, this 'artifact' will redeem his dad, though that was never Mutt's intent.

Now, I can go on with this treatment, and reveal the plot and the scenes etc....But let's just leave this at this: The Five Pillars of Islam, the Five Points of a Compass, The Five Visible planets, The Symbology of Torah, The harmony of the Perfect Fifth, The Pentagram, and the Five land masses of Pangaea. All will be tied together to point to the Tree of Life, once again. I will tie in the American (Lakota) Indians, The Mayans, the Chinese, The Desert People of Center of the World, and possibly in a nod to KotCS….the Aliens.

This outta be grand.
 
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Deadlock

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Fine numerological spitballing.

Hang it all on a four-act structure and write one of the exposition scenes... THEN we'll see if you have anything. ;)

However, I must warn you that I think a SERIOUS Indy film is less plausible than an ancient, photosensitive booby-trap. The new frontier is parody (unless there's a reboot).
 

Robyn

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Pale Horse said:
our intrepid and execrable hero has lost his woman-his eternal prize, this time to cancer. (Feels like off-ing Jar jar binks, doesn't it).


"What'd you say?"
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deckard24

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Not bad!:hat: It definitely has an LC feel to it.

I've always wanted to see a more grizzled Indy, ala Unforgiven. I can see him now, nursing his broken heart with a bottle of whiskey, right out of the Cairo scene from Raiders.

My only issue is, I kind of doubt they'd off Marion, after going to the lengths of bringing her back for a hazy dream sequence wedding( I mean happy ending).

If they did though, who would be a replacement? They couldn't just leave him a widow, especially after losing his dad and Marcus too.
 

Niteshade007

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I can actually see them killing Marion off.

It's an interesting idea, Pale Horse. Is Mutt going to go all crazy and start writing in an alien language on the board while Dwight...I mean, the teacher, looks on?
 

No Ticket

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I actually was very captivated throughout the entirety of the OP. Sounds like a very good premise for Indy V.
 

Violet

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I'm half surprised Sallah didn't make appearance in your idea, Pale. Coz he could considering what parts of the world the story takes place.

Marion doesn't need to be killed off, does she? I mean, she's about as much of a free spirit as Indy. Make her a journalist like in the comics or running the Raven's Nest and that's enough of an excuse to not have her in the film if you're so inclined.

But really what's with you (by that I mean Pale) and Deadlock always killing off Marion to cancer in these stories? Indy noir ain't for everyone.
 

Robyn

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Violet Indy said:
But really what's with you (by that I mean Pale) and Deadlock always killing off Marion to cancer in these stories?

YEAH! For real!

Love the new pic btw Violet!
 
hey, they killed off Marion in Raiders to bring her back.

Didn't you get the whole " five cardinals who escort one beyond death." part of his post, hell seems Henry Sr could come back as well...
 

Deadlock

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Violet Indy said:
But really what's with you (by that I mean Pale) and Deadlock always killing off Marion to cancer in these stories? Indy noir ain't for everyone.

"Always???" C'mon now, I've only done it once, four years ago. Y'all just need to let it go now.

Besides, I've since seen the error of my ways.

Any Indy projects I partcipate in will combine the best of Temple of Doom and Crystal Skull... they shall open with a musical number and end with a wedding. That's a promise.
 
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No Ticket said:
I actually was very captivated throughout the entirety of the OP. Sounds like a very good premise for Indy V.

I agree. It's all very interesting, and I want to read more. I could live with the Marion death storyline if it's done right and it helps to develop Indy's (and Mutt's, for that matter) character. And I have no doubt that at the very least Spielberg would handle it the right way.

If we want something deeper and with more substance than KOTCS, Pale Horse is offering a very solid basis for it.
 

DocWhiskey

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This actually sounds really great, Pale Horse. I love the fact that "5" is brought up so often but it seems to make sense. Really great.
 

Pale Horse

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Deadlock said:
Any Indy projects <edit for length>... shall open with a musical number and end with a wedding.

Since the Lakota will feature prominently in the film, we certainly could make a case for a Blame Canada number, and garner an Oscar nomination as well.... ;)

Rocket said:
Didn't you get the whole " five cardinals who escort one beyond death." part of his post, hell seems Henry Sr could come back as well...

Not Henry, per se. Unlike old men with nostalgia, I don?t like the retread too much. Marion is dead. Period. That?s why we find Indy at the bottom of a fifth. The less exposition the better, that way the audience is rapt with despair along with the protagonist. We?re there with him, and want his redemption just as much (because we need it for ourselves, too)

As far as the cardinal posts go, this is one of the twist/key plot points. 'Everyone' thinks a compass only has four points, North-South-East-West...but in actuality it has five. The Lakota speak of this along with other more ancient cultures.
 
Pale Horse said:
Not Henry, per se. Unlike old men with nostalgia, I don?t like the retread too much. Marion is dead. Period. That?s why we find Indy at the bottom of a fifth. The less exposition the better, that way the audience is rapt with despair along with the protagonist. We?re there with him, and want his redemption just as much (because we need it for ourselves, too)

As far as the cardinal posts go, this is one of the twist/key plot points. 'Everyone' thinks a compass only has four points, North-South-East-West...but in actuality it has five. The Lakota speak of this along with other more ancient cultures.

OOOhhh, end Skull with a wedding, start Tree with a funeral. You're killing the lovers out here man!

I was working on an idea where Mutt becomes obsessed with the fortune and glory thing, (after Indy's whole school/support self lines) and the character arc concerns Indy having to balance him out. The become rivals for a while, almost like the sense of loss we get from Marion "dying" in Raiders, only to come back. In the end, the McGuffin is similar to the mirror in Harry Potter and the ring/palantir/galadriels mirror in Lord of the Rings where Mutt (or anyone) can converse with those who have "gone before" and glimpse future pivot points in their lives. An opportunity to have a cameo with substance and drive the plot and a character's arc. Mutt could get another point of view regarding his father without it coming from Indy or Marion blah blah blah...and give him the perspective to set him straight, (so to say)...not that he's gay.
 

Deadlock

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Pale Horse said:
Since the Lakota will feature prominently in the film, we certainly could make a case for a Blame Canada number, and garner an Oscar nomination as well.... ;)

How about a Five Guys promotional tie-in? :p

(Pale, if your serious about all this, just write an original script. You're wasting your time on Indy.)
 

Pale Horse

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Three Guys Pizza

I've heard of Three Guys Pizza

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But never Five Guys.

Spoiler Alert:
Michael Keaton is cast as the arch nemesis in this outing
 
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