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Old 06-11-2008, 11:19 PM   #76
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where the heck is it?
They are taking the links down, I think. Too late.
If you loof for it you will surely find it.

Oh, and you may like it.
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Old 06-12-2008, 01:02 AM   #77
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Play-by-play…

Agentsands logical assumptions aside for the time being, let’s look at the facts:

1) Rob Smith (me) sat down to write SOD in early 1995, inspired by a vivid Indy dream, and my love affair with the trilogy.
2) I finished SOD in record time (7 days), and basically had a working draft to expand on.
3) In late 1995, I completed the first draft and managed to procure a local agent, but he later decided not to assist me in my quest for the gold.
4) Somewhat desperate, I concoct a publicity stunt, and in May of 1996, “Indiana Jones and the Sons of Darkness" hits the Internet. News of it spreads rabidly throughout Indydom and cyberspace.
5) Word of the official Indy 4 screenplay -- stolen from Lucasfilm by a nefarious courier and posted on the Internet -- reaches Skywalker Ranch and the legal team goes on red alert.
6) Robert Smith receives the first cease-and-desist order days after the posting (hey, lawyers don’t frak around). But not satisfied yet, he moves the script to another website and continues the good fight against the legal machine.
7) Almost a half-dozen cease-and-desist orders later, Robert Smith finally pulls the plug. Satisfied he has their full attention.
8) Legal documents arrive at the Smith household. These documents inform me that Lucasfilm will agree not to sue me in exchange for the rights to my screenplay. I seek legal help and later refuse to sign over the rights and wait for the other side to return my serve.
9) Months later it’s old news and one final follow-up call from Lucasfilm, asking me to please sign the agreement and return it promptly, is once again met by polite resistance from me. Eventually, it ends in a stalemate and everybody leaves the sand box and goes home.

Now, at last, back to Agentsands and his question, “Why on Earth would Lucas have read your script?”

Wouldn’t you? In fact, you did. I mean… wasn’t my crazy misadventure itself something to notice? It grabbed the attention of thousands – maybe even tens of thousands. The first of its kind really.

Furthermore, I don’t recall Lucas ever trying to control the rights to the flood of Indy 4 fanfic scripts which followed in the wake of SOD.

It’s also a logical assumption that SOD haunted Lucas for 12 years, in that he was forced to deflect, dismiss, or down-play SOD to the media. Do you recall his AOL message, denouncing SOD as copyright-infringing fanfiction? Then, for years after my stunt, webmedia and even some print media were still abuzz with speculation about the scripts authenticity. So Lucas found himself sort of “cleaning up” after SOD, which tends to leave an impression. Am I wrong?

Agentsands… let me ask you this… do you think Lucas read that guy’s Star Wars treatment? I bet he did, and I also bet his crack team of high-priced lawyers advised against it.

And didn’t Lucas eventually acknowledge that Star Wars guy and his treatment? And with great humility… that stunt was no where near as flamboyant as mine.

So… while I love your logical ways Agentsands… I’m still not convinced.
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Old 06-12-2008, 06:19 AM   #78
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It's important to note that Lucasfilm does not always equal Lucas. Corporate lawyers send cease and desist letters to tons of websites every day(often with no rhyme or reason). It doesn't mean that Lucas himself is checking these sites out.
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Old 06-12-2008, 10:17 AM   #79
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I’m still not convinced.
Well, I'm quite convinced this no longer has anything to do with convincing. You simply want to believe that Lucas would have paid attention to your script (and that it subsequently influenced INDY IV), and will go on believing it even if there isn't much rational reason to believe as such.

Unfortunately, SONS OF DARKNESS wasn't all that. SONS OF DARKNESS was a flash in the pan, but it was not an internet phenomenon to end all internet phenomena, and for that reason, I'm highly skeptical that Lucas had anything other than a dismissive attitude towards it.

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It's important to note that Lucasfilm does not always equal Lucas. Corporate lawyers send cease and desist letters to tons of websites every day(often with no rhyme or reason). It doesn't mean that Lucas himself is checking these sites out.
Quite right. And in this case, Lucas might have been informed by his legal division, but I highly doubt he was bothering to check out the work of a fan. Heck, the only reason people were reading it is because they thought it was legitimate. Why would Lucas read something that he knew to be a forgery?

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Old 06-12-2008, 10:50 AM   #80
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I kinda knew it was fan fiction from the opening logo dissolve... er... and what d'ya know they did the same thing in the real movie! That showed me...

But seriously Rob, I'm half way through re-reading it. Lots I like, Indy & Marion exchanges seem right to me, I believe Marion as an alkie, but then I don't love Marion the way Violet does, some I think is off for an Indy movie, specifically the amount of time Indy is off screen. When you look at all the Indy movies the story focus is Indy, there are the odd 2-3 min scenes which focus on other characters (Marion drinking scene, Marion and Belloq in the tent, Opening musical number in Temple, Donovan getting telegram from Germany, etc) but in your script there are whole sequences which focus on the other elements of the story, Abner on his adventures, the back story with the Russian dude, the whole opening with the kid and the goat, to me this felt off. The opening sequence should start when Indy gets off the plane...

Just my thoughts...
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Old 06-12-2008, 02:47 PM   #81
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Appreciate all the feedback...

G-man - great thoughts. Thank you.

Agentsands - mate, there's tons of rational reasoning at work here... I think your bias is starting to show.

How many people do you think read that LA times article alone in the last 8 months? What? A few hundred thousand at least. So the title of my script is part of the collective consciousness these days.

I'm not suggesting in anyway that my stunt rocked the world... but it could have easily left an impression on Lucas, as it left an impression on so many others over the years. Look at the view count for this thread alone... 1500 in the last 96 hours. The stunt may not have been all that as you say... but it certainly didn't fall on deaf ears.

I don't think there's anything wrong with your logic. In fact, I appreciate it. But with all due respect... I think your points are moot. Why? Because your underlining argument is "Why on Earth would Lucas have read your script?"

Well, I think I have presented sufficient evidence here to support my argument - that Lucas read my script - and it's no more or no less valid as your opposing viewpoint.
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Old 06-12-2008, 05:22 PM   #82
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Unclean Son Ressurection scene:

INT. CRYPTIC CHAMBER

VLADIMIROV looks priestly, all decked out in his robe. He
gently lifts out the skull from a cloth shoulder bag and steps
to the upright casket.

VLADIMIROV parts the lid and stares up in reverence at the
headless skeleton.

VLADIMIROV
Behold Abner...

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"SONS OF DARKNESS" 02/04/97 150.



The little boy is pressed into a corner, weeping, scared.

VLADIMIROV (CONT'D)
...a creation 3 millennia in the making.
Comprised of some of the world's most
fearsome men...ruthless...savage
...decadent men.

VLADIMIROV points to areas of the skeleton --

VLADIMIROV (CONT'D)
The feet: Caligula...the legs: Napoleon.
Spine: Genghis Khan. Ribcage: Attila
The Hun. Shoulders: Herod. Arms and
hands: Hitler. And the crowning
glory...

VLADIMIROV sets the skull down on the spine. The skull stays
magically perched as VLADIMIROV'S hands move away.
(emphasis mine)
VLADIMIROV (CONT'D)
...the Unclean Son.

-----------------------------------

INT. CRYPTIC CHAMBER

VLADIMIROV'S chanting is affecting the skeleton: it rattles
nosily.

THEN, HORRIBLY, TENDONS, MUSCLES, ORGANS BEGIN TO TAKE SHAPE, GROWING, REACHING OUT TO THE BONES.

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INT. CHAMBER

As VLADIMIROV, panicking, digs in his robe for the live
dynamite stick.

VLADIMIROV finds the stick and pulls it out -- the dynamite
is just seconds away from detonating.

VLADIMIROV flings the stick away in a rush to get rid of it.

At which point the big Russian screams like a woman when he
sees where he has thrown the dynamite stick --

The live stick lands with a clunk inside the casket -- JUST
AS THE EYES OF THE UNCLEAN SON SNAP OPEN.

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Note: well, I certainly wouldn't take it to the supreme court... but isn't the Alien Resurrection scene in KOTCS a bit similar? Right down to the skull magically staying perched atop its skeleton. Yes, most of you are saying it's purely coincidental, but I say it deserves closer scrutiny to some degree.

And here's how SOD opens:

FROM THE OLD PARAMOUNT PICTURES LOGO,

MATCH DISSOLVE TO:

A mound of sand in the shape of the logo's mountain peak. On the mound's summit, a child's bronze-skinned hand places a large piece of dried-out wood.
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Old 06-12-2008, 07:47 PM   #83
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Sidenote...

Tell me... why do all those alien skeletons combine and become one fleshy being -- whose eyes then snap open in big close-up before the Soviet baddie.

Why didn't all the aliens just regenerate as individuals? Why did they combine to form one being... or... dare I say it... the Unclean Son.

Is it a stretch? You tell me.
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Old 06-12-2008, 08:44 PM   #84
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Tell me... why do all those alien skeletons combine and become one fleshy being -- whose eyes then snap open in big close-up before the Soviet baddie.

Why didn't all the aliens just regenerate as individuals? Why did they combine to form one being... or... dare I say it... the Unclean Son.

Is it a stretch? You tell me.

With all due respect, you've stated your case, and the majority of the people on this forum disagree with you. It's not going to help your case to just keep repeating it. The fact is, we'll never know. Let your work speak for itself.
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Old 06-12-2008, 09:07 PM   #85
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Wise words Peacock...

But I don't see their relevance here...

Do you speak for the 1600 people who have viewed this thread? I don't think so. There are only a handful of people actually engaged in debate here and I'm simply counter-pointing and presenting my case. So... mate... I'm sorry I hurt your feelings but don't presume to lecture me or advise me. You've stated your position and it's clear where you stand.

So thank you for your insight and wise words. But I can take it from here.
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Old 06-12-2008, 10:58 PM   #86
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Do you speak for the 1600 people who have viewed this thread?
I hate to break it to you, but 1600 views doesn't equal an audience of 1600 individuals, since most of those views come from people revisiting the thread multiple times.
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Old 06-12-2008, 11:10 PM   #87
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Oh well...

I stand corrected.
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Old 06-12-2008, 11:24 PM   #88
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Let the nitpicking begin...

I suppose we've reached the point where nitpicking begins and lucid logical debate stops. What's next? Name calling? Sticks and stones?

Let me nip this in the bud right here. Please respect my right to speak my mind in a public forum and without the burden of prejudice, malice, or ill-will. I'm not here to insult, provoke, or belittle anyone. I am here for open and honest debate and presenting my case the best way I know how.
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Old 06-13-2008, 01:06 AM   #89
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Wow...

Fanwork has really come of age in the last 12 years... was just checking out the Francasanova thread... his new Indy fanfilm trailer... great looking stuff, and I thought I was obsessive.

It's incredible the amount of fanwork today -- the Internet is a virtual bill board for Lucasfilm products. Lucas finally realized he only benefits from the fanwork, or the exposure.

Today we find him at ease with fanwork and actually encouraging it.

Maybe I just caught him at a bad time.

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Old 06-13-2008, 01:47 AM   #90
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There is nothing new under the son.

There are coincidences aplenty, sure, but the truth of the matter is that no idea is a truly original one. It's all in how it's presented and told. That's it.

That being said, as much as it makes me grit my teeth, I'm continuing to write the novel featuring a skull of iron which belongs to an ancient race of man. Probably will feel backlash that it "borrowed" from Crystal Skull, but now at least I might see comparisons to SONS OF DARKNESS as well.
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Old 06-13-2008, 04:52 AM   #91
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First cease-and-desist order...

Found this among my old email, and thought I'd share it just for sh1ts and giggles:

Priority: urgent
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 13:23:00 -0700
From: Bob Roden
Subject: Copyright Infringement
To: (removed to protect the innocent)

May 30, 1996

Re: Copyright Infringement

Dear Mr. (removed to protect the innocent):

It has come to our attention that you have posted on your Internet web
site and made publicly available a script which is purported to be for an
upcoming Indiana Jones motion picture and is purported to have been
stolen from Lucasfilm Ltd.

Please be advised that all copyright, trademark and other rights relating
to the Indiana Jones property in general and any such script in
particular are the exclusive proprietary property of Lucasfilm Ltd.
Please be advised further that your unauthorized display and
distribution of any such property violates both state and federal laws
and may subject you to criminal and/or civil liability.

By this letter Lucasfilm Ltd. hereby demands that you immediately cease
and desist from making the above-mentioned script or any other property
of Lucasfilm Ltd. available publicly or privately on your Internet web
site or through any other means. Without limiting the generality of the
foregoing, Lucasfilm Ltd. hereby demands that you immediately remove the
script from your Internet web site and destroy all copies of the script
in your possession or control. Lucasfilm Ltd. also demands that you
confirm in writing, no later than two (2) days from the date of this
letter, that you will cease and desist from all such activity and will
comply with each and every demand stated in this letter.

Finally, Lucasfilm Ltd. further demands that you supply us with the
following information and materials, together with the foregoing
confirmation:

1. the name, address, telephone number and email address of every person
or entity from which you obtained a copy of the above-mentioned script or
who may have knowledge of how and by whom the script was obtained;

2. the name, address, telephone number and email address of every person
or entity to whom you have delivered a copy of the above-mentioned
script;

3. a complete written account of how you came into possession of the
above-mentioned script and how and why you decided to make the script
publicly available on your Internet web site.

This shall not be deemed a waiver of any claims at law or in equity which
Lucasfilm Ltd. or any of its affiliated persons or entities may have
against any party with respect to the foregoing. We will expect to
receive your prompt response as set forth above.

Very truly yours,

Robert S. Roden
General Counsel
and Director of Business Affairs
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Old 06-13-2008, 05:05 AM   #92
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My letter to Roden...

Here's what I wrote back before I received the official agreement, which wanted me to sign over the rights to my screenplay, but at this early stage I was just making amends:

June 19, 1996

Mr. Robert S. Roden
General Counsel
and Director of Business Affairs

Subject: my full co-operation

Dear Mr. Roden,

I spoke with RCMP constable John Oke and I assured him that I will
make every effort to assist Lucasfilm in removing my counterfeit
screenplay from all known websites. I also assured the constable of my
promise to cease and desist from all activity related to the promoting
of the screenplay. At this time I am aware of only two other sites which
have the script posted. One is in Germany and it is called "Indiana
Jones and the Secrets of the Internet." There you will find the script
in the screenplay section of the site, indicated by a :-) (happy face).
The second location for the script is on USENET itself, posted in a
number of segments (73 I believe). The article is titled INDY 4 SCRIPT:
HERE IT IS and was posted by SomeGuy (I assure you it wasn't me).

Again, my sincere apologies to you and Mr. Lucas. I hope I haven't
caused either of you undue stress and/or sleepless nights. If so, then
it is my hope that you will find vengeance in knowing that I too spent many
nights awake.

To reiterate, my stunt, though reckless, was not a malicious or
malcontent act. The "why" of posting the script all boils down to one
very simple explanation: I wanted Lucasfilm to read it. I took the rather
unorthodox approach because all other means of submitting the script
had failed. The screenplay represents a year and a half of my life and
went out attached with my fondest and deepest admiration for the Indiana
Jones series. It is my hope now that Mr. Lucas will recognize the raw
talent shown in the script and allow me to someday darken his doorstep
again.

If I can be of any further assistance please let me know.

Your respectfully,

Robert F.M. Smith
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Old 06-13-2008, 05:14 AM   #93
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Email to a friend about the ordeal ...

Dateline: Tuesday 18, 1996.

I get a message on my machine from Brian telling me that an RCMP constable paid him a visit. The constable was there at the request of Lucasfilm to investigate the matter of copyright infringement and why Brian had not complied with orders to cease and desist from making the script available over the web. To make a long story short, the constable ended up taking a liking to Brian (bri can really put on the charm when he has to) and assured him that his visit was just a formality. Fortunately, I had instructed Brian to shut down the website so when the constable showed up it was off-line and looked good on Brian. Naturally, Brian ratted me out (I won't be involving him in anymore illegal activity) and explained that the script was written by his
screenwriting friend as a publicity stunt. At that moment I became obligated to give the constable a call.

Dateline: Wednesday 19, 1996.

I called the constable at the Federal Enforcement Section of the RCMP and,
well at first very formal and authoritative, the constable eventually warmed up to me and sympathized with my predicament (I can put on the charm when I have to as well). I had a good conversation with the constable and he assured me he would be recommending in his report that Lucasfilm not proceed with criminal charges. Coincidentally, the constable has dealt with Robert Roden in the past and has a good working relationship with him. It doesn't guarantee Lucasfilm won't pursue criminal charges, but the constable's rapport and recommendation make the possibility of legal action remote.

Amazingly enough, the constable actually complimented me on the script. He only had the chance to read 30 pages or so but was impressed by what he read. Our conversation ended on a cordial note and when I asked the constable if ever I needed to research the RCMP for a script would he be available ... and to my surprise he readily agreed to be of assistance when the time comes.

Neat, huh?
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Old 06-13-2008, 05:32 AM   #94
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Don´t you realise? If you only said "Hello, my name is Rob Smith and here is my fanfic script", Lucasfilm wouldn´t have had any trouble with you. I think they start concerning at the moment that you claimed to have a stolen property from them.
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Old 06-13-2008, 05:39 AM   #95
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I tried that...

In the beginning, I called Lucasfilm and spoke directly to Lucas' assistant about my spec script but was told Lucas was on hiatus writing the new Star Wars film, and that Lucasfilm doesn't accept unsolicited material. The usual, in other words.

Hope that explains things better.
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Old 06-13-2008, 08:42 PM   #96
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Darabont Indy 4 script...

I just started reading Darabont's script... funny... it uses the same match dissolve (the mountain motif) as the trilogy 20 years ago:

FADE IN:

THE PARAMOUNT LOGO

A DISSOLVE transforms the mountain into...

EXT. DESERT - DAY

...a REAL MOUNTAIN in a parched land.

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That was copied from the 2003 draft. No sign of a mound of sand. What does that suggest? Well... it's clear Lucas wasn't thinking about mounds of sand in 2003... so somewhere along the development of the screenplay a mound of sand was introduced. Was it pre the Koepp draft? And I wonder if the Koepp draft includes the mound of sand opening from the film. Suppose I'll just have to wait until the Koepp draft is leaked.
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Dream Cloud...

The Dream Cloud scene in Darabont's script is reminiscent of my "360 degree projection of the mind" scene, where in Indy is mentally suspended in space and forced to witness God's destruction of Earth.

Interesting...
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Old 06-14-2008, 12:02 AM   #98
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More email...

Here's an email to my partner in crime about setting up the stunt:

From robsmith Wed May 22 08:40:24 1996
Subject: My Indy script
To: (removed to protect the innocent)
Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 08:40:24 -0400 (EDT)


Hey, buster brown, I've been thinking a lot about that hoax-a-ma-thingy I'd like to set up to promote my Indiana Jones script. You know, the one where I post it on the net claiming it as the official Indy 4 screenplay snatched from a secretary's desk at LucasFilm? Yeah, that one. What say we set that up, daddy-o? What do you require from me to implement such a site, which would obviously contain the entire script? The plan is to post the web address on specific sites and start a reading frenzy. Then a couple months down the road I will announce to the world that I wrote the script. I was thinking we could include a subtle hypertext link within the script document that, when clicked on, would take the reader to a page which would hint at the true author's identity. With any luck the big man himself will get wind of the site and investigate. I see it going one of two ways: either he'll be impressed by the nerve and ingenuity or he'll be pissed and I'll get a nasty call from his lawyers. But either way I get noticed. And isn't that half the battle won? Besides, what do I have to lose? Money, reputation -- I have neither!

Need input,

Rob.
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Old 06-14-2008, 05:02 AM   #99
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Signing off…

Life and career are calling Indy fans. I appreciate all your patience and tolerance over the last week. Hope you've enjoyed this little trip down publicity stunt lane. Most likely we'll never know if Lucas paid tribute to SOD.

But I'm not bitter. In fact, I'm richer for the experience. True, I didn't get to write an official Indy movie… but I did pen an unofficial one, and it did travel the globe via cyberspace and is now a permanent fixture of Indy lore. It wasn't the gold I wanted… but it's something to celebrate nonetheless.

Over a decade ago I managed to rattle the corporate cage and force a movie icon to take notice of me, if only for a heartbeat. Some people liked my script, some people hated it, but there was never any shortage of opinions.

Hope at the very least I raised your curiosity and provided some food for thought.

Thank you so much for all your great feedback and continued interest in my little misadventure 12 years ago.

Humbly yours,

Rob Smith

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The Dream Cloud scene in Darabont's script is reminiscent of my "360 degree projection of the mind" scene, where in Indy is mentally suspended in space and forced to witness God's destruction of Earth.

Interesting...

Curiously, there's a scene similar to both in Rob McGregor's 1990 novel: "Indiana Jones & the Peril At Delphi." Check it out!
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