Dr.Sartorius
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Well I can't find that quote in the book. Could have sworn I read it in that.
Darth Vile said:... I do recognise and appreciate that, in the world of movies, it's slightly more believable to have a youngish man doing that as opposed to a circa 70 year old...
Darth Vile said:There is a legitimate reason why Spielberg/Lucas weren't looking to cast a 70 year old for Raiders of the Lost Ark... same reason why Batman, James Bond, Spiderman etc. etc. aren't written as old characters.
I’m not sure they could… not without a bit of CGI trickery anyways… Ford may look good for his age, but he looks his age nonetheless. You certainly wouldn’t describe him as a young man in his physical prime - would you?The Stranger said:Yeah, but, fact is, that the circa 70 year-old could easily look like a circa 50 year-old... even less, if they just wanted him to.
I think you underline my point quite well with that example. Ford looks older still when playing alongside the likes of Daniel Craig. It’s Craig who is the one we believe can overturn the odds and win the girl etc. etc. Lets face it, 10/15 years ago Ford would have been playing Craig’s role… and that’s the difference isn’t it? Ford is now playing the Tommy Lee Jones parts.The Stranger said:Not to mention that, from what I saw in the recent "Cowboys & Aliens" trailers, Ford can still run much faster than many people half his age (look at the scenes where he and Daniel Craig rush down the canyon while everything explodes behind 'em...).
As I stated before, with the best will in the world Ford doesn’t look like a 50 year old. Trying to make him look younger would probably make it even worse. There is nothing wrong with having an older protagonist (I cited some classic movies before), but that has to be reflected in the script/tone. We all know that it won’t be… there was enough chagrin around here simply because Indy didn’t use his gun enough in KOTCS. How are they going to cator for ‘us’ if the right direction for Indy senior is to question his use of violence??? How are we going to handle seeing Indy not being the dominant action hero in his own movie (if they want to directly tackle his age by making Indy less physical)??? I personally think they could make a brilliant Gran Torino type movie with the Indy character… but I bet most people here and elsewhere would not be too appreciate of that. For all the posturing about wanting to see Indy’s character evolve, most just want to see him doing the type of stuff he was doing in Raiders… and that’s where the problem lies.The Stranger said:The point is that I don't sincerely understand all of this aversion for an aging protagonist. You talk about verisimilitude? Yeah, Ford is nearing his seventies, but on screen he could look much younger. And a, let's say, fifty-something year old man could still kick ones a** with no regards. You just can't say that a man that age is old.
Well it’s kind of obvious that they can keep revisiting the character, played by the same actor, over and over again until it’s no longer physically possible. However, I think it’s more a question of does it actually make for a better movie?The Stranger said:That's obvious. But one thing is if you have to establish a new character as an action hero, envisioned to lead a potential movie series. A completely different thing is when you want to revisit that same character, after many years passed by. Which is exactly the reason why they filmed Indy 4 (and they'd do the same for Indy 5, maybe).
Indy's brother said:Well Darth, despite my thinking that we were talking about what is possible, and not what is probable, I actually have to agree with most of your post.
I think there is a great opportunity here for redefining the hollywood "action" hero as it is currently understood. The only other series that I can think of that has attempted this is Rambo. I thought the last one was only bested by the original, not that trumping the other abysmal sequels is that difficult a task. But still, I wonder if Rambo fans ever talk about recasting Sly.....
Darth Vile said:Lets face it, 10/15 years ago Ford would have been playing Craig?s role? and that?s the difference isn?t it? Ford is now playing the Tommy Lee Jones parts.
Agree 100%...Lance Quazar said:I would MUCH rather see Harrison Ford transition to cool character and supporting roles (like in Cowboys & Aliens) than watch him try to cling to "leading man" status into his seventies. Tommy Lee Jones, Paul Newman - those are the kinds of late-period careers he should now be emulating.
Sure, there could still be some opportunities to take center stage, as Clint Eastwood manages to do, but I think he still has a lot to offer if we all modulate our expectations.
Excuse me, and that so-called family is Marion, Mutt, and possibly Oxley (as honourary uncle/grandfather)... seriously, do you think any of these characters would stay put if Indy goes gallivanting off on an archaeological quest?!michael said:It just wouldn't be right. And I'm not saying I'm a fan of it, but INDY is too old for them to NOT be in it. That character HAS a family now.
There's always the chance a writer can pull it off...
Being an avid fan of all things related to "The Lost World", I knew that Fawcett's exploits were partly an inspiration for Doyle's novel (they were friends) but was unaware that Lord Roxton was rumored to be based on Fawcett. That said, I'm pretty sure "The Lost World" was inspired by one of Fawcett's early non-"Z" related expeditions since it was published more than 10 years before he disappeared.Athenee said:Let's purchase Mr. Lucas and Mr. Spielberg some inspiration; everyone send them "The Lost City of Z: A Tale of Deadly Obsession in the Amazon", by David Grann, published by Doubleday in both hardcover and trade paper editions. If you Indy fans here haven't read it, I think you should. It's rumoured that Fawcett was Conan Doyle's inspiration for Roxton, and Fawcett's last search for the City of Z was an inspiration for The Lost World itself.
Okay, it's expensive; if you can't afford to buy and send two books to Lucas & Spielberg, write a letter to them, recommending or suggesting that they read it.
Seeing more of Library Girl would be nice but wouldn't it be ironic if Mutt paired up with Slugger (Sasha Spielberg)? She could beat up Mutt during a lovers' quarrel and become Indy's new sidekick!Athenee said:Let's bring Sexy Library Girl back as Mutt's argumentative, slightly stuck-up main squeeze, more Marion than Willie, untrained in roughing it or archaeology, but game to follow Mutt anywhere for an adventure. No, she's not gonna get killed off in Reel 3! We could be seeing the future Mrs. Williams-Jones! Perhaps she's got a trust fund that she can get into and pay for a trip to South America? Let's see more lines on those screen-maps!
Rocket Surgeon said:"It's up to you, There's always a lot of material left for Indiana Jones and many other, you know, sort of paranormal McGuffins or Icons to go after, antiquities to go after...I would like to say, if the audience put those same demands on us its going to be hard for us to say no. But it's not up to me it's up to them."
Athenee said:Excuse me, and that so-called family is Marion, Mutt, and possibly Oxley (as honourary uncle/grandfather)... seriously, do you think any of these characters would stay put if Indy goes gallivanting off on an archaeological quest?!
Or, let me put it to you this way:do you think Marion Ravenwood-Jones would be happy being a 'little suburban housewife' in 1958? Do you think Indy would be happy with 'little suburban housewife Marion'? Let's have Marion be an incompetant housewife but a very competant, argumentative archaeologist-companion for Indy.
Dr.Sartorius said:Almost $800 million at the box office should have been an indicator but oh well.
Raiders112390 said:The "nuke the fridge" meme, along with the South Park episode, have made it "cool" or "hip" to consider KOTCS one of the worst movies of all time. That killed any chance of Indy 5. Even though it really isn't a bad movie, it's considered to be on the same level as Batman and Robin due to all the memes and popular hate for it.
Dr.Sartorius said:And they know a lot of Indy fans (and a lot of movie-goers) still were satisfied with it.