Temple of Doom was a great bridge between Raiders and Crusade. It balances out the three films quite nicely. For me Shortround isn't annoying, he's funny. Willie doesn't get on my nerves either because she's supposed to be like that, she's supposed to be the opposite of Marion. Willie was the stereotypical damsel in distress screaming all the time, it was an intentional characterisation.
Last Crusade has a lot more humour than the first and second in my opinion. Marcus is a prime example. He's a very serious character in Raiders and in Crusade he's a bumbling fool. This doesn't annoy me. He's supposed to be like that when he's out of his own environment. It was part of his characterisation.
Last Crusade has more humour because that was Spielberg's intentions. After the dark storyline of Doom he wanted a much lighter tone for Crusade. Changing Marcus's character and having the humourous rapport between Indy and his father acheived this.
Raiders had humour of course. It was just a different type of humour than Doom and Crusade.
Marcus is a prime example. He's a very serious character in Raiders and in Crusade he's a bumbling fool. This doesn't annoy me. He's supposed to be like that when he's out of his own environment. It was part of his characterisation.
Actually I think that Marcus wasn't supposed to be a bumbling fool in Raiders, remember when he said that five years ago he would've gone after the Ark himself.
Originally Posted by Violet Indy
Spielberg and Lucas should have kept to the idea of Marion being in all the films with Indy.
There is no such idea, Marion is just an another girlfriend.
Just a good movie, I even liked the dynamic of Willie and Indy, for me it is just a movie, a time waster, and this is better than allmost all others.
I have to admit -- Indy's ToD conduct and hookup with Willie is valuable to substantiate the true character -- especially any thought that at some point Indy and Marion got together and lived happily ever-after-until-the-end-of-their-days. Elsa is gravy in this regard.
I've always loved Temple of Doom and it's a shame that more fans don't like it. The producers chose to take the series in a different and darker direction and I think it worked extremeley well. We get to see Indy take on more of a father-figure role and also deal with a woman who has obviously never had any adventure experience. The whole thing is completely unplanned and yet he still manages to fight his way out of it.
That's just my two cents but I think it's a great film with many positive aspects.
I love Temple of Doom because it doesn't try to be a carbon copy of Raiders of the Lost Ark the way Last Crusade does. The character is taken and put through a completely different type of adventure. Even though the adventure is different in style and tone, it still fits the character. Sequels always need to up things a notch and ToD certainly does that.
I completely agree. ToD couldn't have been more different and still be in the same series. That's why I love it. Indiana Jones is just going along. It starts in a high-class club in Shanghai and one unforeseen even leads to another until Indy is hanging off a broken rope bridge over a chasm with hungry crocodiles at the bottom about to have his heart ripped out by a mad thuggee cult leader. The whole thing is comepletely unplanned and uncivilized unlike the other two films. It also shows Indiana Jones interact with other cultures and environments that the other two films couldn't have brought him to encounter.
Originally Posted by VP
There is no such idea, Marion is just an another girlfriend.
I don't think so. There are indications that he has a history with Marion unlike Willie and Elsa who he meets for the first time in their designated films. Marion also seems to have more of an affect on him, especially in the scene on the ship. I couldn't see that scene happening with Willie or Elsa.
"The whole thing is comepletely unplanned and uncivilized"
What a wonderful way to put it!! LOL
"Marion also seems to have more of an affect on him, especially in the scene on the ship. I couldn't see that scene happening with Willie or Elsa"
I agree.... Marion is the fem that seems to have got most under Indys skin... but.... Ummm.... Bantu Wind Love scene.... same as Venice Love Scene... and mostly the same as the Pankot Palace Love Scene (Sans copulation)
Temple of Doom is wonderful in so many ways. It tells the story of a man who travels across the spectrum of being completely wrapped up in himself and his own interests to risking his life, his fortune and his glory to free the slave children.
It tells the story of a conceited woman who transforms overnight when a real man comes into her life.
Finally, it shows what a difference one man can have in the lives of so many: the lives of all who would have been sacrificed in future Thuggee ceremonies, the lives of the slave children, the lives of the desolated Indian villagers, the life of a nightclub singer and the life of an orphaned Chinese boy who just wants someone to look up to.
Temple of Doom, while not quite Raiders, is spectacular.
It's funny, intense, romantic (somewhat), and SUPER action-packed! Ford is shirtless, the plot is a heck of a lot interesting, and there's a short chinese kid to sum it all up! What more can you ask for?
I thought the comments made on the "hate Temple" thread were interesting, so I thought I'd make a counter-thread on why those of you here love Temple of Doom.
So if you love T of D, why do you?
The most common criticisms are: Willie's annoying, its too dark
I liked the dynamic between Willie and Indy, particularly in the "I'll tell you in the morning" scene. That was very funny.
As for the its too dark stuff, well its definitely the darkest of the three by far and the least suitable for young children, but I still love the fact that they did something very different for the sequel, but at the same time it feels like its set in the same world. The whole point is that "Indy goes to hell and survives to fight another adventure", as Spielberg said himself.
I love Temple of Doom more than the other Indy films because it seems more of an adventure than the other two (if that's possible). I like the dialogue more than the other two and I feel that it has the best ending.
Willie running about getting spooked by the stuffed animals in the jungle - falling in the water, and her numerous 'touchy' encounters with elephants?
There's alot of dumb humour in ToD, loads of it, but it's balanced out by the sadistic torture and violence. The whole film manages to balance on a knife edge (without falling off, well not often - but it clambers back up) between the two contrasting 'ideas'.
Some people would see this as a negative, that, "The film can't decide if it wants to be horror or comedy" - but that's the beauty of it. The humour ain't really 'dark', it actually keeps the film bouyant for much of the running time - Relief from the interminable nastiness of the Thugee ceremonies and things.
That said, I think the humour in LC was, well... funnier. It was a more lighthearted romp, which was a nice change.
"Why Do We Love Temple of Doom?" ...well, I like adventure, humour on the edge of danger, old artefacts, exotic views...what else...the Indy style of turn the situations on his side...and a 100 other reasons.
Still it is 3rd in my list, after "Last Crusade" and "Riders Of The Lost Ark"...not always, it depends on my mood.
Although Last Crusade is my personal favorite of the series (the first one I saw, see), Temple of Doom boasts the most action, excitement, and inventive sequences of the Indy movies. It is my second favorite after Crusade (Raiders is on the bottom of my list, yes. You have permission to lynch me), but it still is very special to me.
I think the main reason why fans are lukewarm toward Temple is because Willie and Shorty are considered annoying by many (I don't believe that), the Nazis are not in the film, the action can sometimes become so large in scale it's hard to suspend disbelief, and it's so dark in tone.
Much of the critisism (i hope i spelled that right) against this movie can be rather harsh and sometimes downright unfair. People complain that Indy in this movie doesn't act like Indy? It's Spielberg and Lucas' character, people! They can do whatever they want with their creations! Sometimes this can be bad (wittness the Star Wars prequels), but i will still always love Temple of Doom.
Unfortunately ToD is at the bottom of my Indy list. Raiders and Last Crusade were just TOO good to be in the same ranks as ToD. Don't get me wrong, I still love it, it just isn't up to the caliber of Last Crusade, in my books at least.
Even though the bridge scene and mine car chase were awesome, they just don't compare to the tank chase, plane chase, Raider's opening quest, and the opening of the ark.