For and Against a Reboot

michael

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Montana Smith said:
If there was a revisit with a new actor, I would probably approach with it with the same reluctance that I had appoached Young Indy and KOTCS. I eventually accepted both, but the revisit thing will take a lot more convincing. It's one of those prospects that might be interesting to see, but then you'll wish they hadn't done it!
It's like you wish, you and only yourself could watch it, to see if you approve of it. That's the way I would want it. You don't want to watch it with anyone else for fear of what they might say. Come out of the private screening and say if it's good to go or not. Oh to live in a perfect world.
 

Montana Smith

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michael said:
It's like you wish, you and only yourself could watch it, to see if you approve of it. That's the way I would want it. You don't want to watch it with anyone else for fear of what they might say. Come out of the private screening and say if it's good to go or not. Oh to live in a perfect world.

Oh to be adopted by impossibly rich uncle George Lucas! ;)
 

Willie

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An Indy series reboot? No. Remake? No.

For me Harrison Ford is Indy as Indy is Harrison Ford. When Harrison Ford first put on the fedora as Indy he literally became Indy and broke the mold! I can't imagine anyone taking over the role.

Montana Smith said:
Never a reboot. I mean, never re-do the stories that have already been told. Never write Harrison out of Indy history.

However, revisiting the 1930s or 1940s with a new actor is a possibility, as long as the actor had the same qualities that Harrison brought to the character. Yet there will always be the feeling that he isn't really Indy, as the shadow of Harrison will always looking be over his shoulder.

Continuing with Mutt would be pointless, and would be treading on Bond territory.

The other alternative is animation using the likeness of Harrison - but realistic animation, not Japanime or stylized. An atmospheric cartoon with the music of John Williams, shot like a movie with all the technology known to man. And we know Lucas has access to that sort of technology...
An animated series would be fun with Harrison Ford voicing the role and with his visual likeness for Indy. Now, that I'd really enjoy. ;)

I'm also wondering if an animated series would be classified as a reboot since it's not live action as per the films and the Young Indiana Jones series. :confused:

Montana Smith said:
Oh to be adopted by impossibly rich uncle George Lucas! ;)
Or be married to him! ;)
 
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indyswk

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I would prefer an animated version rather than a reboot at this point. Otherwise, give us another globe-trotting high adventure styled 1930s period movie similar to Indiana Jones that isn't called Indiana Jones.
 

Montana Smith

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indyswk said:
I would prefer an animated version rather than a reboot at this point. Otherwise, give us another globe-trotting high adventure styled 1930s period movie similar to Indiana Jones that isn't called Indiana Jones.

I am going more in favour of the animated route now. As long as they're able to use the actors' likenesses, and they go all out on immersive detail and style, rather than stylized Japanime. Then we can have numerous Indy movies from any period of his life, if the stories are good enough to carry them. (And there are plenty of stories to choose from - comic books and novels).
 

indyswk

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Montana Smith said:
I am going more in favour of the animated route now. As long as they're able to use the actors' likenesses, and they go all out on immersive detail and style, rather than stylized Japanime. Then we can have numerous Indy movies from any period of his life, if the stories are good enough to carry them. (And there are plenty of stories to choose from - comic books and novels).

Yes, they should go with the 80s cartoon style with more updated modern art detail, better graphics etc. and a Harrison Ford likeness to it, HF's voice or similar, for more of his adventures and stories.

And yes, no japanime oversized outline simplistic artwork outline kinda thing.
 

Klage

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Remember Star Wars & The Clone Wars? That's one big reason why I vote NO for animated Indy. The other reasons are that with animation, production company would feel a temptation to bring Indy to these days of even to the future. Soon Indy would be a kind of superhero with supernatural skills...no thanks. Or, as it usually happens with animations, Indy would fight against mad professor who has build ten feet tall flying robot with laser guns.

But thumbs up for Indy movies timelined between 1920...1935. I have no name for the main actor yet, but I would consider to give a shot to a new & unknown talent with huge charisma.
 
Problem with having Mutt carry on is that he'd have to adventure in the 1950s and beyond. Part of the magic of Indiana Jones is that his adventures take place as part of that "great generation", at the twilight of the British Empire when the world was still a mysterious place.

I think that problem with having Mutt carry on is that he simply is not an adventurer, plus he doesn't know absolutely anything about history or archaeology, not to mention that Shia LaBeouf is not even a quarter as badass as Harrison Ford, in spite of his age advantage.

A sequel with Mutt as the protagonist (or key character, in general) would be the same as a "Star Wars" film where Jar Jar Binks takes the place of Obi Wan Kenobi... just to make things clear.

As far as a reboot is concerned, I say no, thanks. There are already enough sub-par adventure films, and many others will be made during the next years. But the Indiana Jones original trilogy is THE DEFINITION of what adventure films should be. I say let them go, and just continue to enjoy them, because they still are possibly the best action films of all times, even with thirty years on their back.
 

Major Eaton

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The Stranger said:
I think that problem with having Mutt carry on is that he simply is not an adventurer

Maybe not by default but his adventurer qualities could be developed further in the beginning of Indy V. He certainly handled a lot of the adventure in KOTCS quite well, especially after the camp sequence concluded.

The Stranger said:
plus he doesn't know absolutely anything about history or archaeology

I agree with you in that Mutt knows virtually nothing about archaeology, much less history, as things stand right now. It would take a while for him to develop a true knowledge. He did gain field experience(if you want to call it that) in KOTCS.:)eek:) Plus, he now holds the distinction as the son of Indiana Jones. And don't forget that he spent a great deal of time with Oxley growing up. Who knows what he may have picked up in that time. "You're going back and finishing school!" as Indy scorns from the truck in the jungle chase sequence. The "You never finished?" line from outside the psychiatric compound in Nazca. They laid the foundation of developing the idea for Mutt's education in the future. I think it would be interesting if they showed a little bit of his educational progression in Indy V. For example, seeing him in the Marshall library studying for a test or writing a paper only to be interrupted by Indy about a new adventure opportunity. And then we would see them embark on a new quest. Mutt would be second in command behind Indy, of course. He could put some of his new knowledge to the test too. If it goes well, it could make the transition to a non-Harrison Ford Indy movie a pleasant prospect(as much as I hate to think about it). But I don't think LeBeouf could handle this. I hope that I am wrong if this ever happened.:eek: Overall, the Mutt character development ideas are endless, I'm sure.

The Stranger said:
not to mention that Shia LaBeouf is not even a quarter as badass as Harrison Ford, in spite of his age advantage.

Agreed, wholeheartedly. Harrison Ford(as Indy) could go on an expedition with Alzheimer's and in a walker and I would find him more interesting and entertaining than LeBeouf(as Mutt). I'm all in favor of a reboot on the casting of Mutt. I don't care how awkward it would be. LaBeouf just doesn't fit. Period. But I'm afraid we're stuck with him.:D As far as a reboot on Indy, I would need loads of time to think about the right actor to continue the legacy. At first thought, Dennis Quaid is an interesting prospect, but he is too old. Out of the few you mentioned, I wouldn't mind Patrick Wilson being considered. As I mentioned, I would need more time and research to come up with a worthy successor for my own vision. It may not be possible!:eek:

The Stranger said:
As far as a reboot is concerned, I say no, thanks. There are already enough sub-par adventure films, and many others will be made during the next years. But the Indiana Jones original trilogy is THE DEFINITION of what adventure films should be. I say let them go, and just continue to enjoy them, because they still are possibly the best action films of all times, even with thirty years on their back.

I'm with you on this. I really, really, really wouldn't be upset if Indy V is never made. But if it is, I'd still be very excited for it. Reboot or no reboot. At least the expectation of what to expect for Indy V, as far as quality goes, was lowered with KOTCS.
 

StoneTriple

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My thoughts?
I'm worn out on the overuse of the phrase Rebooting a franchise these days.

Why can't there just be another Indiana Jones film set in the 20s or 30s with a different actor? I'd be fine with more films, using different actors. There are some great stories in the Rob MacGregor and Max McCoy novels. Those could be made without there needing to be some sort of Rebooting of the franchise to make them acceptable or official.

James Bond films were made throughout the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s & currently - with several actors. No one needed the term reboot to make them official or acceptable. They're films, dealing with a certain group of characters, played by different actors through the years. They continued, and still do, on strength of story - not because they had to be rebooted.

Maybe I've had too much coffee today. :confused:
 

tigersharka

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Prequels seem to be more in order...hard to improve on Ford's presentation.

(y)
He IS Indiana Jones...so bringing in another actor will not sit well with audiences...just look at Hollywood's remakes...they generally suck.:sick:

I suggest or would like to see Sean Patrick Flanery revisit the role over Shia's "Mutt." He just did not make it for me as a successor to Ford. (n)
 

DiscoLad

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I would miss Harrison as Indy but it is true that I would like to see other actors who fit the bill to try and play and Indy.Like he says, the 007 movies used several actors.

I think we would think of these actors that would take Ford's place like we do about 007, "Yeah (insert name here) was good but Harrison Ford was the best indiana Jones"
We would accept it but not replace Ford with this new actor.
Hopefully that wasn't too oddly worded.

Dig?(y)
 

Raiders90

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I think after Indy 5, the series should continue on without Harrison. I'd love to see an actor slightly younger than him take on the role--maybe an actor 5-10 years younger, or someone REALLY younger and we could have movies--Not a television show or TV movies, but feature films, set between 1920 and 1935, and from 1939-1950 and 1950-1957, maybe even into the early 60s. The point is there's over 20 years missing in Indy's history that could be portrayed by a different actor or actors.

James Bond continued successfully without Sean Connery, I don't see why Indy couldn't continue on without Harrison.

I wouldn't want a reboot of the series continuity, or a gritty "Batman Begins" style reboot--Something with the tone of Raiders would be cool though. Or, if set in the '40s detailing Indy's 1940s adventures, a film noir feel could be cool.
 

DeepSixFix

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inky_skin said:
Harrison has been synonymous with the character since it's inception,
Read up on the history presented on this site and elsewhere and you'll find a rich history of cinematic fedora-wearing, bullwhip cracking adventurers long before Ford.

tigersharka said:
He IS Indiana Jones...so bringing in another actor will not sit well with audiences...just look at Hollywood's remakes...they generally suck.:sick:
No, they will sit well with audiences. Especially future audiences. If Hollywood history is any guide, Indy-style adventure won't end with Ford's eventual retirement. And yes, remakes generally do stink. But I think we're thinking here of the possibility of a "Batman Begins," or "Casino Royale"-type butt-kicking reboot.

Sure Ford was awesome, but Indiana Jones is an archetype. We don't "own" that archetype. Bring on the rise of a dark, gritty badass graverobber who happens to be a prestigious professor of archaeology, one who doesn't just **** his revolver, but uses it. :gun:
 

ChromiumBlue37

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I said this a few years ago. The Fifth Indy movie should focus on a time traveling MacGuffin with Harrison Ford as late 50's Indy, (please God, no 1960s). Indy finds and uses this device or found anomale towards the end of the movie and and gets dropped into an alternate past. Just alternate enough for it to be HIS past. Star Trek utilized this plot perfectly.

With this strategy, we get MORE Indy, (sadly with no Harrison, unless the use a Tron Legacy digital trick on him), in those unseen and very-Indy years of the 1920's, 30's and 40's.
 

Montana Smith

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Mickiana said:
DeepSixFix, I very much agree with you. I am agreeing a lot on this page!

There's no problem with re-inventing the archetype with new actors, but I think it becomes a problem if you name the archetype 'Indiana Jones' and replicate his history.

Taking over from Harrison is stepping into shoes with a lot of history and cultural impact. It may be a safer bet to invent a new character on similar lines, so there isn't any direct comparison. There's the danger that the new actor will be regarded as a 'poor man's Indy'. There's also the chance, if they take it, that the new actor blows Harrison out of the water (like a Heath Ledger/Joker moment).

What we need is a young Harrison clone!
 
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