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Old 07-27-2009, 11:45 AM   #51
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Nazi's can still be done in the 50's...interestingly enough a great Movie they might want to take a lesson from is The Marathon Man.

Indy has his OSS/CIA friends/contacts, to see him in Argentina come across some Nazi in hiding would be pretty cool.

You could make it a sort of Nazi experimenting on villagers that he saves...blah blah...
Great minds think alike, I guess!
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Old 07-27-2009, 11:47 AM   #52
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Harrison Ford today playing 30s/40s-era Indy would not be believable. So it would have to be some 50s-era Nazi wannabes or something. However, I can't see them actually going in that direction.
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Old 07-27-2009, 11:47 AM   #53
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Forget Nazis! They're done, man.

WWII is over. Let's get some new baddies on the Indy spectrum.

The Russians weren't bad, I wouldn't mind something on a smaller scale like an evil cult or brotherhood.

The Yakuza would be cool (that is if Indy 5 has a brief Japan adventure). Maybe they could play up another rival archeologist angle? Or poachers. Pirates. The possibilities of enemies are limitless really (except dinosaurs. No dinosaurs). SO why pick ones that already had 2 movies?
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Old 07-27-2009, 11:54 AM   #54
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Forget Nazis! They're done, man.

WWII is over. Let's get some new baddies on the Indy spectrum.

The Russians weren't bad, I wouldn't mind something on a smaller scale like an evil cult or brotherhood.

The Yakuza would be cool (that is if Indy 5 has a brief Japan adventure). Maybe they could play up another rival archeologist angle? Or poachers. Pirates. The possibilities of enemies are limitless really (except dinosaurs. No dinosaurs). SO why pick ones that already had 2 movies?

I thought the yakuzas were the 40s. Or were they they in the 50s too? I would like to see a non miltary thing. and a gang is a good idea.
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Old 07-27-2009, 11:54 AM   #55
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Forget Nazis! They're done, man.

WWII is over. Let's get some new baddies on the Indy spectrum.

The Russians weren't bad, I wouldn't mind something on a smaller scale like an evil cult or brotherhood.

The Yakuza would be cool (that is if Indy 5 has a brief Japan adventure). Maybe they could play up another rival archeologist angle? Or poachers. Pirates. The possibilities of enemies are limitless really (except dinosaurs. No dinosaurs). SO why pick ones that already had 2 movies?

^What he said.
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Old 07-27-2009, 11:55 AM   #56
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I'd be totally down with commies being the bad guys again; it makes perfect sense for the fifties.
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Old 07-27-2009, 12:00 PM   #57
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To have an opening adventure where he meets a hiding Nazi would be a good introduction to here we go again...which might end up being his phrase in the movie.

Then bumping head with the soviets would be cool...if they took it serious this time...
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Old 07-27-2009, 12:15 PM   #58
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To have an opening adventure where he meets a hiding Nazi would be a good introduction to here we go again...which might end up being his phrase in the movie.

Then bumping head with the soviets would be cool...if they took it serious this time...

That's the only way I could see it working, if it was just in the prologue scene, but not the body of the movie.

Frankly, Nazis are boring at this point and have been done to death in the Indy verse, not just the films, but countless ancillary products, as well.

And the only thing more boring than Nazis would be Nazis in hiding. Without Hitler and without an actual, you know, ARMY to back them up, what's so scary about a bunch of middle-aged loonies hiding in the jungle?

I would love the franchise to actually do something interesting and different, not go over the same ground again. Fortunately, Spielberg himself has said he wouldn't do Nazis again in a light-hearted film after making movies like "Schindler's List".

Russians aren't a bad idea per se, as much as I didn't like KOTCS, but I have trouble getting too excited by the prospect.

What we need is some fresh, outside the box thinking if the film franchise is going to continue.
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Old 07-27-2009, 12:16 PM   #59
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Maybe it could be set in Argentina. Thats where loads of Nazi's went. Including Hitler, if you believe into all that stuff.
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Old 07-27-2009, 12:17 PM   #60
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Actually, couldn't it be just set in the 30's again, but digitally make Harrison Ford younger. You would only have to remove a few wrinkles.
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Old 07-27-2009, 12:22 PM   #61
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That's the only way I could see it working, if it was just in the prologue scene, but not the body of the movie.

Frankly, Nazis are boring at this point and have been done to death in the Indy verse, not just the films, but countless ancillary products, as well.

And the only thing more boring than Nazis would be Nazis in hiding. Without Hitler and without an actual, you know, ARMY to back them up, what's so scary about a bunch of middle-aged loonies hiding in the jungle?

well, if that's the limit to your imaination...yeah sure.

But in the hands of an intellegent, insightfull writer the Nazi idea still has promise.

Like I said, Marathon man was well done, and Jorbex mentions Boys From Brazil...


Clive Cussler's Novel "Atlantis Found" features a storyline about escaped Nazi war criminals who plan to clone Hitler.

Allan Folsom's novel "The Day After Tomorrow" also dealt with a similar theme of resurrecting Hitler.

Irving Wallace's The Seventh Secret features a storyline that Hitler may have survived World War II and arranged for a doppelgänger to be killed to mimic his suicide.


But Spielberg has already killed more Nazis on celluloid then there ever were...

...he's done.
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Old 07-27-2009, 12:34 PM   #62
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well, if that's the limit to your imaination...yeah sure.

But in the hands of an intellegent, insightfull writer the Nazi idea still has promise.

Well, in the hands of a good writer, nearly any idea has promise. But even still, it'd be far better to come up with something NEW rather than a third re-hash of the Nazis.

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Clive Cussler's Novel "Atlantis Found" features a storyline about escaped Nazi war criminals who plan to clone Hitler.

Allan Folsom's novel "The Day After Tomorrow" also dealt with a similar theme of resurrecting Hitler.

Those authors should be embarrassed for writing such hackneyed, uninspired plots.

When you mentioned Cussler, my first thought was, "Okay, maybe he was doing Hitler cloning back in the 70's, when it might have been fresh."

But the book you reference was from 1999! How desperate, how utterly UNimaginative.

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Irving Wallace's The Seventh Secret features a storyline that Hitler may have survived World War II and arranged for a doppelgänger to be killed to mimic his suicide.

Also hacky and lame. These kinds of feeble ideas are BENEATH the Indiana Jones franchise.

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But Spielberg has already killed more Nazis on celluloid then there ever were...

...he's done.

Thank god.
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Old 07-27-2009, 12:42 PM   #63
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Well, in the hands of a good writer, nearly any idea has promise. But even still, it'd be far better to come up with something NEW rather than a third re-hash of the Nazis.

As I mentioned, the prologue...and the only theme that should cary through as of now, the "it never ends" or " here we go again"...

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Those authors should be embarrassed for writing such hackneyed, uninspired plots.

Agreed, as I mentioned Marathon Man was good.

I offered no opinion, just the assorted rip off plots from the Wiki of Boys from Brazil, (haven't watched that one).

You left Marathon Man out...no dirision for that one?
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Old 07-27-2009, 12:46 PM   #64
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Dinosaurs would be ****ing amazing, and you know it's true! Tell me you don't drool at the thought of Indy taking on a pack of raptors with his whip and fists!

time travel is a very intriguing idea, and judging from Ford's comment "it's crazy, but great", this could possibly be what Lucas is thinking of. He DID say that he wanted to go somewhere completely different; that is his one condition on making a fifth film. I say, go for it George! That way we can have Harrison fight Nazis again without the hassle of de-aging makeup and whatnot. See! Sci-Fi in Indiana Jones isn't ALL bad? Right?

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Old 07-27-2009, 12:52 PM   #65
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I see no reason why Indy can't face up against his fellow kinsman e.g. corrupt US intelligence/military or deadly bounty hunters. To have an Indy flick set in the 50's, and have the antagonists as Nazi's seems a step backwards (even if written well).
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Old 07-27-2009, 12:55 PM   #66
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You left Marathon Man out...no dirision for that one?

It's moot since we acknowledge Spielberg won't do it.

But I did agree with you that a prologue sequence wouldn't be a bad way to go.

As for "Marathon Man" - yes, that was a good film. But an elderly dentist is hardly a sufficient foil for an Indy film.

I'm not saying that the idea of Nazi survivors NEVER has merit in fiction or drama. Just that I don't want to see it in Indiana Jones.
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Old 07-27-2009, 01:01 PM   #67
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I see no reason why Indy can't face up against his fellow kinsman e.g. corrupt US intelligence/military or deadly bounty hunters. To have an Indy flick set in the 50's, and have the antagonists as Nazi's seems a step backwards (even if written well).

I would agree with that.

Re-tread the Raiders style and tone, not the villains.
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Old 07-27-2009, 01:05 PM   #68
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I see no reason why Indy can't face up against his fellow kinsman e.g. corrupt US intelligence/military or deadly bounty hunters. To have an Indy flick set in the 50's, and have the antagonists as Nazi's seems a step backwards (even if written well).

Thats a great idea...after all, J Edgar Hoover's ascent, (and The FBI's) was on the broken bodies of the falsly accused.

Ties into the whole Red Menace thing....
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Old 07-27-2009, 01:19 PM   #69
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I see no reason why Indy can't face up against his fellow kinsman e.g. corrupt US intelligence/military or deadly bounty hunters. To have an Indy flick set in the 50's, and have the antagonists as Nazi's seems a step backwards (even if written well).

I think Indy dealing with corrupt G-Men is a cool and fresh idea. I'm not sure if TPTB would want a more "black and white" Indy film, but I think such an idea would add a lot of complexity and sophistication to the story.
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Old 07-28-2009, 04:41 PM   #70
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I think Indy dealing with corrupt G-Men is a cool and fresh idea. I'm not sure if TPTB would want a more "black and white" Indy film, but I think such an idea would add a lot of complexity and sophistication to the story.

Corrupt G-Men could be interesting. They don't even have to be corrupt, just 'serving' US-interests. The United States has a well published history of meddling in the affairs of the sovereign nations of the Lower Americas.

The next film could be set in around El Salvador & the Honduras. Chatter Lal's comment about Indy being persecuted for grave robbing could be explored...
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Old 10-14-2009, 07:32 AM   #71
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Indy 5 Villain! Who?

What has always made these movies for me is the villains. They are just awsome! But what sort of villain should Indy face off against in V?
First of all Indy always faces off against a regime of sorts (The Fascist, The Communists, Cultist).
In the time period set previously in CS there is a variety of regimes the US were aposing: Communist China, North Korea, The Soviet Union, even surviving Nazi's- if you will.

Then there has to be the main foe- There could be a 'nemisis' type foe like Belloq or Magnus (with a history), a swarve villain like Donovan or Belloq, the devoted military type- Irina,Toht ect. The trator Donovan, Mac, Elsa or a new variety of villain that hasn't been really covered yet!

I would love to konw what everyone has to say about their choice of villain for Indy V; 'cause every good hero needs a great foe!
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Old 10-14-2009, 08:06 AM   #72
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I’ve always thought the suave cad type to be more successful i.e. Belloq and Donovan. However, there is something to be said for going in another direction. Mola Ram was the brutish pantomime type villain (that’s not a criticism by the way), whilst Spalko tried to bridge the gap between the brawn and the brain.

Personally, I’d like Indy V to have some corrupt government type official as the main bad guy. Mainly because it would be a slight twist to what we’ve had thus far, and it would also lend itself to a Hitchcock’esque “Indy on the run” type story... which some of us would like to see.
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Old 10-14-2009, 09:29 AM   #73
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I would love to konw what everyone has to say about their choice of villain for Indy V; 'cause every good hero needs a great foe!
Hey, Col. Detritch. Check out these threads:

Antagonists for Indy V
Indy 5 Baddie?
Indy 5 NEEDS the Nazi's
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Old 10-14-2009, 04:22 PM   #74
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Merged them all under a new-ish title.
Still hope they bring back Ric Young!

That's 2007... here he is in uniform in 1997.

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Old 10-14-2009, 04:43 PM   #75
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How about a rouge revolutionary in the early 60’s from a small island just off the coast of Florida. He could wear army fatigues, a little flat topped army hat and have a beard. Indy could be saving treasures from a museum that he didn’t want to be lost to a new communist Dictator?????

It works with the time line if we keep moving forward.
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