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Old 08-02-2014, 02:32 PM   #1
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The Jungle Book(s)

Well my favorite music of ANY Disney animated movie, The Jungle Book is being remade. Not happy about it being live/animated blend but oh well.

I will see it no matter how horrible the CGI will be for one reason - Baloo is voiced by Bill Murray - (Ben Kingsley will be nice as well).

I hope they keep the some of the original music.. Louis....
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Can a member of the upkeep re-title this to something more agnostic since the Andy Serkis directed, and unfortunately titled, The Jungle Book: Origins, debuts a year after Disney's adaptation of its previous work? Plus, there are a half other additions that could be talked about in one distinct location. No need to root around the site then.

Fun fact: The word "jungle" has nothing to do with the... rainforest. It's a Hindi word meaning "wilderness."


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I will see it no matter how horrible the CGI will be...

I don't know. Richard Parker was phenomenal. If Disney can produce that level of quality -- I have to assume they've farmed it out to ILM -- then the animals should look fantastic. I think the real concern is the voice acting. Established stars are cast for the name/voice recognition, and I dearly don't want to hear any of the announced cast "phoning in" their performance. Especially cringe worthy is the idea of a Christopher Walken-voiced King Louie.

Can you imagine how dull this would be with Murray & Walken?



Anyway, for the interested parties out there, the announced cast so far includes:

Idris Elba as Shere Khan
Scarlett Johannson as Kaa
Bill Murray as Baloo
Ben Kingsley as Bagheera
Christopher Walken as King Louie
Giancarlo Esposito as Akela (alpha wolf)
Lupita Nyong’o as Raksha (mother wolf)

Newcomer Neel Sethi will make his film debut as Mowgli. He'll also be the only humanoid to feature on the screen. So while I was hoping for something closer to the original books, it sounds like it's going to be a straight up adaptation of the animated semi-classic. And if that's the case, then Mr. Elba has large shoes to fill. George Sanders will always be Shere Khan. (Even though Tony Jay did a bang up job as well.)





I suspect that you'll see a trailer attached to the next release in the Disneynature series.

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I think the real concern is the voice acting. Established stars are cast for the name/voice recognition,...
Yeah, voice casting has become a big downer for me over the past 20 years or so. They should hire a modern-day Phil Harris, who voiced Baloo (& Abraham Delacey Giuseppe Casey Thomas O'Malley the Alley Cat) and whose face was & still is unknown to the general public. Hired for his voice, not his name.

That said, Ben Kingsley as Bagheera is intriguing! However this thing turns out, I highly doubt that it'll be superior to Disney's '67 version (nor their superb, live-action adaptation from 1994) and, despite my expectations, I will definitely see it…and the other new one! Kipling lives on…and that is good.

To whichever Mod: Thanks for changing the thread title as per Sabo's suggestion. Can we drop the "(s)", though?
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Well my favorite music of ANY Disney animated movie, The Jungle Book is being remade. Not happy about it being live/animated blend but oh well.

I will see it no matter how horrible the CGI will be for one reason - Baloo is voiced by Bill Murray - (Ben Kingsley will be nice as well).

I hope they keep the some of the original music.. Louis....

This is one tall order for Disney to fill. They did a good cross over with the first Pirate film, but like you, this is my end-all Disney quintessential film.

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Old 08-05-2014, 03:18 PM   #5
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Yeah, voice casting has become a big downer for me over the past 20 years or so. They should hire a modern-day Phil Harris, who voiced Baloo (& Abraham Delacey Giuseppe Casey Thomas O'Malley the Alley Cat) and whose face was & still is unknown to the general public. Hired for his voice, not his name.

Actually, from what I understand, Phil Harris was well-known in his time and was a big celebrity as a musician and a character actor. In fact, Leonard Maltin once pointed out in a documentary on The Jungle Book that critics at the time criticized The Jungle Book for "taking short cuts" by casting celebrities with Harris, George Sanders, Sebastian Cabot and Louis Prima(Prima's estate is so big they've given Disney a bit of a hard time over the years for limiting them from using King Louie as much as they'd like), it's only years later that people have forgotten who these guys were, only to have their Disney work become their biggest claim to immortality.

Granted, its fair to point out none of those actors were as legendary as Bill Murray is, but it confirms that if these celebrities give a good performance that's all that matters as these actor's "celebrity status" won't mean a thing to those in 2-4 generations from now.

The only cast member who makes me scratch my head, though, is Scarlett Johannson.
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Actually, from what I understand, Phil Harris was well-known in his time and was a big celebrity as a musician and a character actor. In fact, Leonard Maltin once pointed out in a documentary on The Jungle Book that critics at the time criticized The Jungle Book for "taking short cuts" by casting celebrities with Harris, George Sanders, Sebastian Cabot and Louis Prima(Prima's estate is so big they've given Disney a bit of a hard time over the years for limiting them from using King Louie as much as they'd like), it's only years later that people have forgotten who these guys were, only to have their Disney work become their biggest claim to immortality.

Indeed. It started a bit with Disney's Alice in Wonderland, which featured some well-known character actors and comedians (namely Ed Wynn & Jerry Colonna), but The Jungle Book was pretty definitively the start of that trend, even if it didn't really pick up again until the 1990s. (Though, with that said, check out the 70s and 80s work of Eva Gabor and Bob Newhart in a few different films.)
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Actually, from what I understand, Phil Harris was well-known in his time and was a big celebrity as a musician and a character actor.
Well then, I stand corrected because I did not know that! Thanks for enlightening me, Forbidden Eye.

Hopefully they'll use the same music, however, it's hard to picture Bill Murray singing, "Bare Necessities".
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(Though, with that said, check out the 70s and 80s work of Eva Gabor and Bob Newhart in a few different films.)
Totally forgot about "The Rescuers". Gabor and Newhart were both big celebrities in the '70s. You guys are right.
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To whichever Mod: Thanks for changing the thread title as per Sabo's suggestion. Can we drop the "(s)", though?

Well, that nameless Mod wasn't entirely incorrect. There were two Jungle Books. Yes, two. Kipling penned The Second Jungle Book approximately two years after the original began appearing in magazines. In fact, much of the '94 adaptation was drawn directly from The King's Ankus, one of my favorite stories from either book. It's also the closest to a traditional action-adventure yarn in the collection.

That said, I would second dropping the "(S)" as completely unnecessary if not outright confusing.

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I suspect that you'll see a trailer attached to the next release in the Disneynature series.

Nope. No trailer attached to Monkey Kingdom. Disney moved the flick off the 2015 release schedule and it is now slated to debut on 15 April 2016, a week before Earth Day. Aside from a behind-the-scenes tweet from Favreau while the site was down, there's been very little noise coming out of the House of Mouse.



There was this very Lion King-looking piece of concept art released a few months back as well.



And now at D23, The Juggernaut of Stacking Knots Unstoppably gave the world it's first full look at the film including Murray's take on Baloo the Bear and his rendition of the classic "Bare Necessities". That rendition doesn't appear to be on-line yet, but here are a couple of brief clips.





Finally, the very rad looking first poster was released!



And as far as the Serkis version is concerned, they just began filming a couple of months back while Favreau and Co. are enjoying their extra six months of post-production work.
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Well, that nameless Mod wasn't entirely incorrect. There were two Jungle Books. Yes, two. Kipling penned The Second Jungle Book approximately two years after the original began appearing in magazines. In fact, much of the '94 adaptation was drawn directly from The King's Ankus, one of my favorite stories from either book. It's also the closest to a traditional action-adventure yarn in the collection.
Indeed. It's worth noting that a sizeable chunk of the 1942 version is also based on "The King's Ankus" story.
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And now at D23, The Juggernaut of Stacking Knots Unstoppably gave the world it's first full look at the film including Murray's take on Baloo the Bear and his rendition of the classic "Bare Necessities". That rendition doesn't appear to be on-line yet,
While it should be fun to have Bill Murray as Baloo, he sure has a tough act to follow after Phil Harris' deep, baritone voice. (Can't get the song out of my head now!)
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...there's been very little noise coming out of the House of Mouse.

Yeah, so far. That's going to change as The Mouse begins to ramp up the marketing arm. Per Jon Favreau, the flick's director, the first official trailer will debut on Monday the 14th. In the meantime, wet your beak with one of those six-second Vines Dr. Gonzo loves so much.

A video posted by Jon Favreau (@jonfavreau) on


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In the meantime, wet your beak with one of those six-second Vines Dr. Gonzo loves so much.

A video posted by Jon Favreau (@jonfavreau) on



I can dig this. My ass will be in a seat on opening night.
(Bill Murray as Baloo? This I have to see.)
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I can dig this. My ass will be in a seat on opening night.
(Bill Murray as Baloo? This I have to see.)


With. Christopher WALKen. As. King. LOUie. Too. BOOM!. I wannaBE. Like. You.
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I can dig this. My ass will be in a seat on opening night.
(Bill Murray as Baloo? This I have to see.)

Mine should be. It was going to be until they changed the release date to next year when I'll actually be in Kipling country. Now I'm not sure if it will even be in theatres when I get back.

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Per Jon Favreau, the flick's director, the first official trailer will debut on Monday the 14th

And it did. On the teevee. Jon Favreau stopped by the Access Hollywood studio to debut the trailer for the general public. The high-quality version wasn't released until earlier today.



Quick thoughts: This doesn't appear to be a straight adaptation/remake/whatever of the '67 version. There are too many shots of other chapters in the Mowgli stories for it to be a genuine remake.

The animals look great. It's especially nice to have Kaa back to [sic] his true form. Still not keen on ScarJo's voicework though.

Poor Lungri.

Is Hathi going to let in the jungle?!

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I'm out. I sense a meandering journey of genres with unfinished character arcs. It's bigger than Jon's ever attempted and I don't know that drama is his forte. I'm sure I'll see it at some point, I just won't push for it.

Even my boy had a lackluster response. And he's the target audience.
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Apparently in the 'Jungle Book' movie, King Louie is a remnant 'Giganthopithecus'

The Reason?

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We changed it to a Gigantopithecus,” explains Favreau, referring to an extinct great ape species, “because orangutans don’t live in that part of the world.”

And apparently when Interviewed Jon Favreau acknowledged that he knew it was one of the explanations for the Yeti.

(Bc if you think about it, India is kinda close to the Himalyas.)
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(Bc if you think about it, India is kinda close to the Himalyas.)
Good grief. "Kinda close"? About 20% of the Himalayas are *in* India. "Think about it".
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Good grief. "Kinda close"? About 20% of the Himalayas are *in* India. "Think about it".

Okay I kind of had that coming....

But yeah, my point was that this new addition does give a new element of mysteriousness and adds to the uncharted feel of the Jungle book.
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Good grief. "Kinda close"? About 20% of the Himalayas are *in* India. "Think about it".

Oh man. That was high-larious! Too bad I missed it on the first go round.

New trailer!



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I think the real concern is the voice acting. Established stars are cast for the name/voice recognition, and I dearly don't want to hear any of the announced cast "phoning in" their performance. Especially cringe worthy is the idea of a Christopher Walken-voiced King Louie.


Now that we get to hear everybody speak for the first time, the voice work, as feared, didn't make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. I like all the actors involved in the picture, but those voices aren't supposed to come out of those characters mouths! Of the bunch, Sir Ben Kingsley sounds the best. Christopher Walken is wa-ay out in left field. Poor Idris Elba has impossible shoes to fill.

Though, the triptych poster the studio put out a while back was really well done. In fact, despite the fact the flick was filmed on a backlot in Burbank, it looks fantastic. A lot of care obviously went into recreating the various animals.


http://cdn3.thr.com/sites/default/fi...er_key_art.jpg

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I'm out. I sense a meandering journey of genres with unfinished character arcs.

To be fair, only Mowgli has anything resembling a character arc. Everybody else just gets older.

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What is an American grizzly bear doing in a film about India?

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What is an American grizzly bear doing in a film about India?


Surely you meant to ask why a Himalayan brown bear is hanging about the Seoni Forest of Central India?
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Surely you meant to ask why a Himalayan brown bear is hanging about the Seoni Forest of Central India?

Makes as much sense as Giganthopithecus being around although it went extinct 100,000 years ago...

(well if you believe the Bigfooters, Giganthopithecus -is- Yeti which lives in the Himalayas)

Well, they are taking certain liberties with the fauna of Central India thats for sure.
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Okay I kind of had that coming....

But yeah, my point was that this new addition does give a new element of mysteriousness and adds to the uncharted feel of the Jungle book.
Regarding your comment, "adds to the uncharted feel of the Jungle book": It's doubtful that you're familiar with the source material.

What it adds is a convoluted explanation for something that was a Disney mistake in the 1st place. King Louie is not one of Kipling's creations. He's a Disney thing. Even though he's a fun character, if they wanted to take a more 'realistic' approach, then Disney should've gotten rid of him completely instead of a wild explanation that will probably never be explained in the movie.

Mowgli: What are you?
Louie: I'm a Gigantopithecus from long ago. My family has survived over eons.
Mowgli: O.K., Thanks for clarifying because my tiny, man-brain was confused.
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Makes as much sense as Giganthopithecus being around although it went extinct 100,000 years ago...
Really? A wandering/lost animal makes much more sense than an extinct one.
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Makes as much sense as Giganthopithecus being around although it went extinct 100,000 years ago...

Kipling originally described Baloo (Hindi: Bhalu) as a "sleepy brown bear,*" but it's understood that, with the exception of color, Baloo is supposed to be a sloth bear; later descriptions bear this out. Which do occur in the Seoni region where the stories are set. Though, how an actual bear some six-hundred miles off his home range is comparable to a giant ape that got sent down 100,000 years ago is beyond me.

* -- His father, Lockwood Kipling, illustrated the first edition of the book, and drew him as a brown bear as well.

So why not make Baloo a sloth bear? Good question. Being a medium-sized bear (males top out at ~300lbs) they visually don't look as impressive when paired off with the Royal Bengal Tiger (which top out at ~500lbs**).

**- The tigers of Northern India are often nearly as large as their Amur/Siberian cousins, and those often tip the scales at 700 lbs. A couple of the largest specimens hit 800-plus pounds.

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Well, they are taking certain liberties with the fauna of Central India that's for sure.

Not really. Aside from Baloo (& King Louie) every animal appears in the Seoni region. In fact, they ranged across the entirety of the sub-continent before the human population exploded. Would it blow your mind to know that India had cheetahs as recently as 1948? Or that they still have lions?

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(well if you believe the Bigfooters, Giganthopithecus -is- Yeti which lives in the Himalayas)

It's not implausible that a yeti-like creature has escaped human documentation over the decades.



The daily biology lesson is concluded.

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What it adds is a convoluted explanation for something that was a Disney mistake in the 1st place. King Louie is not one of Kipling's creations. He's a Disney thing. Even though he's a fun character, if they wanted to take a more 'realistic' approach, then Disney should've gotten rid of him completely instead of a wild explanation that will probably never be explained in the movie.

I wouldn't say King Louie is a mistake; he's an intentional addition. It's well known that the original adaptations adhered much closer to Kipling's work, but had a level of emotional complexity (aka dark and brooding) that Uncle Walt didn't want in his family film. Walt sacked writer Bill Peet (101 Dalmations) and composer Terry Gilkyson, and the rest is history as they say.

Gilkyson demos:





Bill Peet created King Louie for his original script, but it wasn't a comical role. His Louie wanted to enslave Mowgli in order to learn the secret of Man's red flower.



I'm wondering if they resurrected any part of Peet's original script or notes, because the tone from what they've shown thus far is definitely different from the '67 version. It also has way too many story beats taken from later chapters to not hew closer to Kipling's work as well. For anybody whose read the books they should be easily spotted. One's really, really obvious.

For fun, this is from the inside cover of my first edition of Kim.

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Subsequent required reading: Kipling and the Swastika
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Starting today (that's the 18th of March if you're keeping score), visitors to the North American parks can get a special sneak peak at the upcoming flick while taking a break from the Temple of the Four Hour Line.

If you're on the Left Coast, then the sneak peak can be visited at the Bug's Life Theatre at Disney's California Adventure. That other also ran park will hold its preview as part of the Walt Disney: One Man's Dream attraction at the Hollywood Studios. Both previews are expected to have an introduction from director Jon Favreau.

Full blurb: Preview Scenes from Disney's 'The Jungle Book'

For everybody else, do check out these rather awesome teevee spots that have been trickling out. If nothing else, it's going to be a visual tour de force.

Idris Elba makes a better Cape Buffalo, but we get a couple more lines of dialogue in this extended teevee spot that sound pretty good. Even ScarJo's Kaa sounds better, more natural!







If you have the time, do take a tour around the 'net and read a few of the interviews Favreau has done and how he describes the process on this flick being almost identical to an animated feature.
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