It's interesting how much the media and American government is blowing this thing out of proportion. Our former PM and now foreign affairs minister was recorded as saying some I guess you could say rude things about china, but it he really didn't care. Yet some people in the US government want Julian Assange jailed or dead.
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Montana Smith
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indy34 said:
Was that the same guy who accidentally let his net followers see the trail of porn sites he was visiting?
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indy34 said:
What is the proper proportion in your estimation? In the meanwhile:
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From the WikiLeaks documents:
Sunken treasure, a priceless French painting, Nazis, gold
U.S. secretly helped Spain fight treasure hunter
Diplomat turned over documents to aid legal battle over gold and silver
Suddenly, a great deal of international drama has touched down in Tampa and
reads like a diplomatic thriller with half a billion dollars in gold at stake.
For years, Tampa's Odyssey Marine treasure hunting company has been fighting
with the Spanish government over a 17 tons of gold and silver coins that Odyssey
discovered and brought up off the Atlantic Ocean floor.
Now, it turns out, Spain has been getting secret help since 2007 from an
unlikely source: The U.S. government.
Among the thousands of documents released by WikiLeaks are several U.S.
diplomatic cables describing how U.S. ambassadors were helping Spain in their
cause partly to help broker a deal to bring a famous painting in Spain to a
U.S. citizen who claimed it was looted by the Nazis in World War II.
Here's a longer article about the Odyssey case:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40592268
Here is an article about the painting:
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/apr/07/local/la-me-pissarro7-2010apr07
It is an impressionist painting by Camille Pissarro.
Another article with a picture of the painting:
http://www.comartrecovery.org/cases/claude-cassirer-v-kingdom-spain-et-al
The man who claimed the painting, Claude Cassirer, recently died. He was 89.
Sunken treasure, a priceless French painting, Nazis, gold
U.S. secretly helped Spain fight treasure hunter
Diplomat turned over documents to aid legal battle over gold and silver
Suddenly, a great deal of international drama has touched down in Tampa and
reads like a diplomatic thriller with half a billion dollars in gold at stake.
For years, Tampa's Odyssey Marine treasure hunting company has been fighting
with the Spanish government over a 17 tons of gold and silver coins that Odyssey
discovered and brought up off the Atlantic Ocean floor.
Now, it turns out, Spain has been getting secret help since 2007 from an
unlikely source: The U.S. government.
Among the thousands of documents released by WikiLeaks are several U.S.
diplomatic cables describing how U.S. ambassadors were helping Spain in their
cause partly to help broker a deal to bring a famous painting in Spain to a
U.S. citizen who claimed it was looted by the Nazis in World War II.
Here's a longer article about the Odyssey case:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40592268
Here is an article about the painting:
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/apr/07/local/la-me-pissarro7-2010apr07
It is an impressionist painting by Camille Pissarro.
Another article with a picture of the painting:
http://www.comartrecovery.org/cases/claude-cassirer-v-kingdom-spain-et-al
The man who claimed the painting, Claude Cassirer, recently died. He was 89.
Are you referring to the former PM? If you are, I haven't heard anything about that so I doubt your talking about him. There was a minister in the NSW government who was found to be visiting them during work hours and then claimed it as research.Montana Smith said:
I'm not entirely sure what your trying to saying there. But if you mean how did I come to the conclusion that the media and US government was blowing it out of proportion, I had already said that the media was saying he was charged with rape and that the US government probably want him dead. To add to that most experts are saying it really isn't that big of a deal and that countries mentioned in the cables like China don't really care and already know what is being said about them.Rocket Surgeon said:
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indy34 said:
I can't remember who it was. I heard it on the radio (BBC Radio 5 has reports from around the world early in the morning). It was someone in government who'd accidentally allowed his net followers to follow all the websites he visited. (I'm not into Facebook or Twitter so I have no idea how that works, or why people would choose to allow it). Inappropriate Tweating has been the downfall of a few public servants here in Britain. It's as though they think they're having a private conversation, but showing voters the kind of person they really elected.
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WikiLeaks, Cyber War Threaten Our Way of Life
Please read the whole opinion before snap-responding...
Please read the whole opinion before snap-responding...
Until all information ... ALL ...
Is available...this debate will rage on. Who ever controls the info will always shade the intent with which it is delivered.
Whether is MSM, TPTB, blackmailers, phreakers, h(cr)acks, priests and popes, moderators... it's all the same.
Is available...this debate will rage on. Who ever controls the info will always shade the intent with which it is delivered.
Whether is MSM, TPTB, blackmailers, phreakers, h(cr)acks, priests and popes, moderators... it's all the same.
"Our Way of Life"
What an oxymoron. World is in constant turmoil and life ever-changing. WikiLeaks and prominence of the Internet as a whole are clear-cut examples of that. There is nothing to threaten, and if you think there is, you're trying to protect a mirage.
My advice to the writer: Stop looking for outside threats and take long gander into the nearest mirror. Either you adapt, or you die. Deal with it.
Also, ironically enough, articles like these constantly seem to omit the fact that this kind of "anarchistic spread of information" is a lot larger threat to the "enemy" that relies on direct control of its peers to stay in power. Political systems like the one in China or the totalist dogmas of radical Islam can never take on in the areas where the information spreads freely and without control. If they one day manage to take over the world, this is due to the fact we planted the seeds ourselves by suppressing the channels of intel distribution towards the public.
So yes, we could say it's a great threat to our western "way of life". But at the same time it's also the best protector we have.
What an oxymoron. World is in constant turmoil and life ever-changing. WikiLeaks and prominence of the Internet as a whole are clear-cut examples of that. There is nothing to threaten, and if you think there is, you're trying to protect a mirage.
My advice to the writer: Stop looking for outside threats and take long gander into the nearest mirror. Either you adapt, or you die. Deal with it.
Also, ironically enough, articles like these constantly seem to omit the fact that this kind of "anarchistic spread of information" is a lot larger threat to the "enemy" that relies on direct control of its peers to stay in power. Political systems like the one in China or the totalist dogmas of radical Islam can never take on in the areas where the information spreads freely and without control. If they one day manage to take over the world, this is due to the fact we planted the seeds ourselves by suppressing the channels of intel distribution towards the public.
So yes, we could say it's a great threat to our western "way of life". But at the same time it's also the best protector we have.
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Montana Smith
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Pale Horse said:
I'm totally in agreement with that view.
And consider also the possibility that those who believe they're holding the truth, may only be the unwitting custodians of lies.
It was a common Cold War technique to release false information, to trace the route it took before it popped up on the other side of the Iron Curtain. Sometimes gross embarrassment was a worthy price in light of revealing the traitors in the camp.
Attacking credit card companies and websites for associating with the Wikileaks hosts hurts ordinary people. And I ask the question whether those hackers are doing it out of self-righteousness, or merely using it as an excuse to spread chaos. Like those who tag themselves on a demonstration only looking for a riot. (Which was common when football hooligans made Britain a dirty place to play the game).
Finn said:
Indeed there is often "nothing to threaten". Politicians have a knack of escaping the most humiliating of circumstances, and succeed in getting re-elected. Sometimes the public is unshockable, or light on memory. Many will happily blame a current government for the mess left by the previous one. Party politics is a blight on free-thinking, when only the party matters. It's comparatively rare when a politican really makes a personal stand.
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Anna Nicole Smith?
Now..there's a honey pot conspiracy here, if you ask me...
Now..there's a honey pot conspiracy here, if you ask me...
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Alternate Crystal Skull Screenplay...
In short, WikiLeaks' role as a "publisher of last resort":
WikiLeaks is commonly thought of as a Web site that facilitates leaks, but it was founded with a secondary aim: to create a digital platform that cannot be censored. This other aim shaped some of the early editorial decisions that WikiLeaks made?for instance, publishing, in 2008, an alternate screenplay for "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull." Critics have challenged WikiLeaks about its decision to publish the screenplay, asking: what is so noteworthy about such a leak? But its news value is not what was at issue. Last year, Assange told me that the screenwriter had wanted to make his work public and had even tried to post it online, because fans had expressed their unhappiness with the movie as it was finally released. "He was involved in a creativity dispute," Assange recalled. "His I.S.P. then received a legal threat to have it removed?i.e., censored from the public record. Someone then gave it to us, because we are known to defend the public record as a publisher of last resort, and we released it as a counter-censorship action."
In short, WikiLeaks' role as a "publisher of last resort":
WikiLeaks is commonly thought of as a Web site that facilitates leaks, but it was founded with a secondary aim: to create a digital platform that cannot be censored. This other aim shaped some of the early editorial decisions that WikiLeaks made?for instance, publishing, in 2008, an alternate screenplay for "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull." Critics have challenged WikiLeaks about its decision to publish the screenplay, asking: what is so noteworthy about such a leak? But its news value is not what was at issue. Last year, Assange told me that the screenwriter had wanted to make his work public and had even tried to post it online, because fans had expressed their unhappiness with the movie as it was finally released. "He was involved in a creativity dispute," Assange recalled. "His I.S.P. then received a legal threat to have it removed?i.e., censored from the public record. Someone then gave it to us, because we are known to defend the public record as a publisher of last resort, and we released it as a counter-censorship action."
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...the linkGear said:
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Gear said:
Yeah, for a brief moment back there I thought Rocket was a secret undercover reporter!
Rocket Surgeon said:
Your shorthand sometimes requires the annotated version: either an epigrah disclaimer, or an epilogue.
Or, Raffi Khatchadourian, is that you?
Back on topic,
A "creativity dispute" comes as no surprise, especially in hindsight of the actual release of KOTCS.
A certain director has been associated with calling for official clampdowns on areas that (even remotely) infringe his domain. Stormtrooper helmets come to mind. Tactics sometimes rival those of the Invisible Hand, but this is all hearsay...
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NO! I'm Simon Jeffery...don't you blokes READ?Montana Smith said:Or, Raffi Khatchadourian, is that you?
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Rocket Surgeon said:
So you're the Guardian that The Raven needs? It's Dark Knight?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/profile/simonjeffery