Star Wars: The Clone Wars

I liked Clone Wars.

Some of you posting here seem to be sincerely trying to figure out why you haven't liked Prequels/Clone Wars--I think that's a great use of these forums.

A couple of you--Agent Spalko and The Man--spew nothing but resentment. Within the criticism of Clone Wars and The Prequels, the thing that annoys me most (and it's in reviews everywhere) is the attacking of anyone who might like his newer movies. They're called apologists and in many cases far worse. It's so arrogant to assume you know best and if anyone has a different reaction you are convinced there is something wrong with that person and they need to be attacked. Movie reviewers now critique moviegoers!

I know some here hated the prequels. I didn't care for Transformers. I can't imagine going to the Transformers 2 thread and posting every single day that Transformers 2 is going to be terrible (without seeing it, and insisting I won't see it). And then attacking (every day) anyone who dares to say they had a good time watching Transformers and are looking forward to Part 2. If I did that I hope to God I would realize how stupid I sound and find something better to do with my time.

Phantom-Train said:

A couple of you--Agent Spalko and The Man--spew nothing but resentment.

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Flaws and all - and there are many - I greatly enjoy the prequels, especially as they progressed. For me, Lucas destroyed his credibility this year with Indy 4 and this staggering garbage, a shoddy, infantile afternoon cartoon pasted together for a cinema run. So, Jabba has a stereo-typical, 'fruity', cross-dressing uncle? How does that possibly enhance the history and mythology of Star Wars. Lucas is making a show of himself...

Phantom-Train said:

I liked Clone Wars.

Some of you posting here seem to be sincerely trying to figure out why you haven't liked Prequels/Clone Wars--I think that's a great use of these forums.

A couple of you--Agent Spalko and The Man--spew nothing but resentment. Within the criticism of Clone Wars and The Prequels, the thing that annoys me most (and it's in reviews everywhere) is the attacking of anyone who might like his newer movies. They're called apologists and in many cases far worse. It's so arrogant to assume you know best and if anyone has a different reaction you are convinced there is something wrong with that person and they need to be attacked. Movie reviewers now critique moviegoers!

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I don't have a problem at all with Spalko or The Man posting negative opinions of the films. I really don't! (The Man is generally cool, even if I disagree, but it's Spalko's smug attitude that irritates me, but I guess I should just ignore). EVERYONE is entitled to their opinion. What I dislike and tire of is the Lucas name calling and the hate spewed onto posters who like SW. It's not enough to say you dislike something, but you have to call someone with an opposing viewpoint names, as if were retards or something. Entertainment is selective.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/herocomplex/2008/08/the-rancor-spea.html

We reached the Rancor by phone and found out that this is not the first time he's been burned by Hollywood.

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HC: "There have been other disappointments through the years, right? Things haven't gone as you hoped in Hollywood."

RANCOR: (Short pause and some snarling) "Yes. I suppose that's accurate. Things dried up after 'Jedi.' I had the lead role locked in for 'Godzilla' back in the late '90s. I had this great -- and I mean great -- reading with Matthew Broderick. We had a thing going, y'know? Chemistry. There was a handshake deal. That used to mean something. I fired my agent after all of that and went to CAA. They got me a reading for 'Cloverfield' but the studio said I just wasn't 'turtle-ly' enough for the role. Whatever that means. So I do the convention circuit now. I just got back from an autograph show in Milwaukee with Lou Ferrigno and George Takei."

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While I agree with much of what Spalko, I hate to admit, says, I don't think it's necessary to constantly keep repeating it over and over and over.

It's bordering on strange the number of posts Spalko has posted in a short time - I mean it's a lot of time spent on a message board. But if that's what makes someone happy, I'm cool with that! We're all different!

But yes, my opinion is the last 10 years of SW has pretty much blown (save ROTS which was a solid film) and Indy has gone downhill. If is all the fault of Lucas, so be it. But I'm simply a consumer, I can choose to accept a product or pass it by. Even though the product is something I loved as a kid I realize things change and often times not for the good. Thinking about it, I have to admit I only really cared about four of the films: Star Wars, ESB, Raiders and TOD. The rest aren't so thrilling in my eyes.

No Ticket said:

It all goes back to that rather retarded "midichlorian" explanation. Before, it was perceived that anyone who was attuned (paying attention) to the force that was around them could potentially harness it and use it. Essentially become a Jedi.

But now it's just how many midichlorians you have in your blood. This hurt my perception of the "Force" and "Jedi."

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Yeah, before it was more fantasy, with this it became more sci-fi.

For a Christian metaphor, I'd compare this theory to that of predestination, and in the prior Star Wars films it would have been more free-will.

agentsands77 said:

Well there was that idea implied in REVENGE OF THE SITH (and explicitly stated in earlier scripts), namely that the whole "virgin birth" of Anakin Skywalker was actually a manipulated event on behalf of the dark side powers of Darth Sidious. I wish Lucas had stuck with that; it's very, very interesting...

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I think this was hinted at in the ROTS novelization. A very interesting idea too, but not to explore it was plain stupid and leaves the whole question up in the air. The whole second prequel could have revolved around this and even ended on something of a cliffhanger like ESB did. How much more interesting the story could have been. Lost possibilities...

The only mistake I believe Lucas made was releasing it in theaters. Had it been a DTV or just a t.v. special, nobody would've passionably hated it or ranted about it like Agent Spalko has. It would've been ignored. After all, nobody rants about the hand-drawn show like they have here for Clone Wars.

I haven't seen the movie(and don't have a huge desire to) but nothing about it looked like it truly begged to be put on the big-screen. Don't see what he saw in this.

There's a big difference. Had Gendy Tartakovski been given artistic license to develop a full length feature film based on his Clone Wars animated shorts NOBODY would be complaining. Those shorts were great. To me they are more Star Wars then anything the Prequels gave us and how the Prequels SHOULD have been.

Lucas wrote and produced that show though. Probably more involved in that show than he was the movie as he actually wrote some of the screenplays.

So why doesn't he get credit on that show from you?

Forbidden Eye said:

Lucas wrote and produced that show though. Probably more involved in that show than he was the movie as he actually wrote some of the screenplays.

So why doesn't he get credit on that show from you?

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So why didn't Lucas write that s#!t in the Prequels instead of giving us fart jokes and picnics in the park?

Fact is Lucas only gets story credit while CN had a team of writers who wrote the episodes including Gendy which also included Paul Rudish, Bryan and Mark Andrews, and Darrick Bachman. Lucas, being the Holier-Than-Thou Creator he is, probably demanded writing credit. Those guys were the real geniuses behind the success of that show, not Lucass.

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So why didn't Lucas write that s#!t in the Prequels instead of giving us fart jokes and picnics in the park?

Fact is Lucas only gets story credit while CN had a team of writers who wrote the episodes including Gendy which also included Paul Rudish, Bryan and Mark Andrews, and Darrick Bachman. Lucas, being the Holier-Than-Thou Creator he is, probably demanded writing credit. Those guys were the real geniuses behind the success of that show, not Lucass.

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Oh. So, while you say Lucas has to have a hand in everything, he didn't on that Clone Wars because you liked it.... and you one you judged to be inferior, he must have done everything. Sure. I get it. No matter what, you just get to bash Lucas.

IMDB's writers list doesn't really back you up on this:

Clone Wars - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0361243/fullcredits#writers
Clone Wars (08) - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1185834/fullcredits#writers
CLone Wars (08 series as a whole) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0458290/fullcredits#writers

I'm not talking about the new Clone Wars show, bit-brain. The IMDB writing credits fully support the names I've mentioned above and so does this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_Clone_Wars_(TV_Series)

* George Lucas .... Characters, story, and executive producer
* Genndy Tartakovsky .... Director, character design, story, and producer
* Paul Rudish .... Co-art director and story
* Scott Wills ....Co-art director
* Bryan Andrews .... story
* Mark Andrews .... story
* Darrick Bachman .... story
* Claudia Katz .... executive producer
* Rick McCallum .... executive producer
* Brian A. Miller .... executive producer
* Jennifer Pelphrey .... supervising producer
* Geraldine Symon .... producer
* Shareena Carlson .... producer
* Glen Harris .... producer

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Oh. So, while you say Lucas has to have a hand in everything, he didn't on that Clone Wars because you liked it.... and you one you judged to be inferior, he must have done everything. Sure. I get it. No matter what, you just get to bash Lucas.

IMDB's writers list doesn't really back you up on this:

Clone Wars - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0361243/fullcredits#writers
Clone Wars (08) - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1185834/fullcredits#writers
CLone Wars (08 series as a whole) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0458290/fullcredits#writers

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George wrote NEITHER this new one or the one before. He gets credit for the "Story" ... as in the basic story of Star Wars. The difference is his role is bigger in this new one because he is a producer on it and according to the same thing you linked to, the 2003 cartoon did not have him as a producer. Why? He was busy making Episode III.

Genndy Tartakovsky .... executive producer (25 episodes, 2003-2005)

Shareena Carlson .... producer (unknown episodes)

Those are the 2003 Clone Wars' producing credits. You can infer they probably allowed Tartakovsky to do whatever he liked, having to ask permission for certain things (like LucasArts does with video games or authors with SW EU Novels)... George gets writing credits because he is George Lucas.

In the new one, he is a producer and though he isn't writing the stories I know for a fact he is responsible for Zero the Hutt's voice. So that says right there he is making pretty large decisions as producer.

Just saying...

EDIT: if the above is true he was still a producer, however I strongly doubt he had as big a hand in it due to EPIII.

Forbidden Eye said:

The only mistake I believe Lucas made was releasing it in theaters. Had it been a DTV or just a t.v. special, nobody would've passionably hated it or ranted about it like Agent Spalko has. It would've been ignored. After all, nobody rants about the hand-drawn show like they have here for Clone Wars.

I haven't seen the movie(and don't have a huge desire to) but nothing about it looked like it truly begged to be put on the big-screen. Don't see what he saw in this.

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For Lucas to get the deal with TNT and Cartoon Network (both owned by WB) they required that he give them a theatrical release. So he released the pilot that way. Rumor is the deal also includes distribution for the future live action show too. Since GL has already paid for 100 CW episodes prior to making a distribution deal and is in pre-production on the live action show, he needed the deal so he didn't lose the money he's spent.

Don't kid yourself about Spalko though either. Clone Wars could have been on TV for free, or they could even have paid people to watch it and he'd still b!tch and call Lucas names.

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Those are the 2003 Clone Wars' producing credits. You can infer they probably allowed Tartakovsky to do whatever he liked, having to ask permission for certain things (like LucasArts does with video games or authors with SW EU Novels)... George gets writing credits because he is George Lucas.

In the new one, he is a producer and though he isn't writing the stories I know for a fact he is responsible for Zero the Hutt's voice. So that says right there he is making pretty large decisions as producer.

Just saying...

EDIT: if the above is true he was still a producer, however I strongly doubt he had as big a hand in it due to EPIII.

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Lucas comes up with basic plot outlines and then gives people free reign to expand on it. For the SW show in 2003 & 2005 he basically said you need to go from here to here and can use these characters, but the rest is up to you. That's also what he's done with The Force Unleashed and the new CW show. As far as he live action show is concerned he has said he wrote 25 scripts already (the show is intended to be 100 total) but those scripts will be re-written by a staff of writers that he just hired in Australia (where the live show will be filmed) to add more character depth and drama. According to Lucas the live action show is intended to more dramatic and have a lot of personal and darker subject matter.

I'd actually pay money to see Gendy's Clone Wars as a theatrical release on the big screen. Hell, I even bought the DVD.

You want to give Luca$$ some credit? Fine. Let's talk about the two s#!tty Ewok TV movies he both wrote AND produced.

I give credit where it's due.

Nothing will ever be as bad as this, no matter how much people dislike GL:

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How about this high quality animation?

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Lucas didn't write this. Nuff said!

sandiegojones said:

Lucas didn't write this. Nuff said!

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No, he wrote THIS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN0vf3vZZw4
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^The Ewok movies are bad, but nowhere near as bad as the Holiday Special.

Don't forget George was involved with this:

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Is it just me or did Disney rip this off with The Country Bears?

I loved The Ewok Adventures . . . when I was seven.