Billy Ray
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ChromiumBlue37 said:
Well, if Shia's comment the other day and today's news are any indication, we might just see them sooner than later!
Tough Sergeant Prototype?
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Well, if Shia's comment the other day and today's news are any indication, we might just see them sooner than later!
KneelBeforeZod
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Jono11 said:
Nonsensical tripe. Capitalism is, at its heart, economic freedom. The human longing for economic freedom is no more selfish than is its longing for political freedom. It is simply the natural state of humanity. Free to create a life as you want to -- limited only by yourself. A person's situation, good or bad, is simply the result of the choices they have made. Choices in education or vocation. Choices of whether to save or spend. Choices to live above or within their means.
These choices, good and bad, are the essence of economic freedom. The freedom to succeed or fail on your own merits. Choosing wisely allows you to weather storms like the current economy. Choosing poorly means you are more likely to be crushed by them.
"Community" is simply a euphemism for lack of responsibility -- thus forcing the "community", i.e. everyone else, to pick up the slack. "Community" is the antithesis of freedom, as individual liberty becomes subservient to "community" edict. I'll take freedom over "community" any day.
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Since you insist on this conversation...no, capitalism is, at its heart, competition. I.e., screw everyone else, I'm getting mine. That's what capitalism is. It has to happen for capitalism to even function properly. Capitalism cannot work unless people have a basic, fundamental disdain and disrespect for one another.KneelBeforeZod said:
The human longing for freedom is both childish and unrealistic. Freedom is, by its nature, an absolute concept. You are either free to do everything, or you are not free. Therefore, freedom cannot exist if government exists. However, in a modern world, government must exist. Therefore, freedom is an impossibility. Furthermore, since human beings are little more than complex machines, whose every minute action and thought and impulse are dictated by genetics and prior experience, there can be no such thing as free will in the first place. Finally, the obsession with freedom, growth, and individualism is very childish, just a base instinct. As we socially evolve, these things are finally being left in the dustbin of history where they belong. Of course, some degenerates refuse to move into the next century, but we have always been a very slow-moving species.
So is dying by age 35. We're civilized now. "Natural" doesn't come into it.
As a social worker, I've worked with people who were born into broken families riven by violence, drugs, and alcohol. That's what they were taught. That's all they knew. We could reshape those communities very easily, for not very much money--a fraction of a fraction of the current defense budget--but people like you don't think it's important enough to break the cycle of poverty and suffering. They were then sent to schools that the government refuses to fund properly, because people like you don't think it's important enough. They got subpar educations, because they didn't have the luxury of expensive private schools, so they couldn't get into colleges, and affirmative action has been crippled, because people like you don't think it's important enough. So they had to take crappy jobs and they got paid slave wages, because people like you don't think a living wage is important enough. And even if they had a little extra money, they'd never learned how to manage it, how to live within their means, because people like you didn't care enough to fund their education, so credit card companies and predatory lenders exploited them and took everything from them, because people like you don't think consumer protection is important enough. With nothing else to turn to, they sank into depression, and drugs, and alcohol, and they had f**ked-up little babies just like their parents did. And it's all because people like you, who've never suffered a damn day in your life, don't think helping people, or having compassion, or saving our communities, are important enough. Because to you, poor people are just lazy. Because to you, community's just an excuse for someone to take your money. Because in your sad paradigm, everything's just about making money for yourself, and if your money isn't yours, then you're getting screwed. I will be damned if I'm ever going to live a paranoid, shriveled, hateful little existence like that.
Sorry. If this is what economic freedom looks like, then I've had enough of it. I've had enough of what it does to good people, or people who could have been good. I'm sick of your American dream that keeps you and me and everyone like us wealthy and fat and privileged, and keeps the poor getting poorer.
That freedom does not exist, because the playing field is not level.
Lance Quazar
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So, um, how about that Tough Sergeant figure? Cool, huh?
Jono11 said:
I FIRMLY believe in a system that historically worked UNTIL the Democratic socialist party destroyed it..Starting with the entitled minded people who bought more than they could afford.
BEFORE you blame President Bush, or the Republicans, go back and do your research....The problems that this nation faces is SOLIDLY on Pelosi and her thug's shoulders. Including Obi bama's.
Before you start passing out the Kool-aid, RESEARCH it yourself!! TRULY!! It's all there in their words.
However, if you are anti Capitalism, you are anti-american...I ASSURE you, the new socialist mind-set will NOT work! The have-not's simply need to look at themselves and see that they are typically the problems. The Mindless Obites are scary because they are waiting for someone to GIVE them their way instead of making their way. That is NOT America and that's why we won't have to worry about this long thanks to the next senate elections.
Does it have anything to do with the Indy toys? Yes it does....Look at how many people wanted the toys but didn't want to pay the price that was required to make the line successful, you want to play, you gotta pay...Of course, if you sit around waiting on people to take care of you, you don't deserve to play.
Just wait..Mark my words...This new plan of socialist America ( no matter waht you call it, it is Socialism...I'm talking to you Pelosi ) will NOT work!!
However, as America is taken further in debt and more and more companies get hurt, it will touch ever retailer and every consumer.
When the Indy toys for Indy 5 are made, expect to pay $8-$10 a figure! Don't believe me? The new 2009 Star Wars figures are now $8.00.
Just sit back and watch how right Capitalism is. It's the only accurate way to control pricing and the only way to promote job creation.
Jono11 said:
How do you EVER get that it is FAIR to level the playing field? The way your fearless leaders want to level it is by taking from the people who work to give to the ones who don't plain and simple!!
To level the playing filed, you either HAVE to have people who are creating wealth so you can ROB them to pay for the programs that the "poor" want.
However, if the wealthy decide to stop making as much wealth to control their taxation, the Government either has to tax people who make less OR CREATE national debt to pay for these "level playing field ideas"
If you were a social worker, then you KNOW that no matter WHAT a person was born into, they still have a very real opportunity to become something different. they CHOOSE not to. How and why should we feel sorry for them?
You say you are not going to live a hateful life? READ YOUR WORDS!! You are MAD at the people that actually WORK to CREATE their own way...who PAY THE MOST back to Society...WHY? Because YOU and your KIND are pitiful and mad.
Let me tell you, Nobody cares if you and the lazy people get mad....GOOD, get mad and take control of your OWN lives!! STOP WAITING FOR HAND OUTS!!
However, if the true Wealth earners get mad and have enough, I ASSURE you, this country will suffer because THERE ARE ONLY TWO OPTIONS LEFT!! You tax the lower income makers or you CREATE NATIONAL DEBT!! How IGNORANT can you be to desire EITHER OF THOSE???? Obviously, Common sense is DEAD and Common Ignorance has replaced it!
THANK GOD, your kind got your one chance to vote in a leader...Now, America can see that the Robin Hood approach does NOT work. Don't worry, we will fix it for you..since you can't be trusted to do it because you are too worried about people creating their own way. How dare we concern ourselves with bettering our lives...How dare us for not being LAZY and holding our hands out.
Way to show how foolish your party and it's slime are.
Now, one thing that is funny is how you BLAME Credit Card companies and Home lenders for the problems alone...I'm sorry but they provided a service that MANY people KNEW they couldn't afford. That's pretty amazing to me that when these losers got their new homes or CC'ds, they sure did LOVE the lenders for allowing them to "live the American Dream" however, once they realized that someone actually expected them to re-pay what they borrowed, they got upset. BOOHOO! It's pretty stupid to blame the lender here. All of these homes which are lost to loans which could have been re-financed are the fault of the borrowers. It's not like they didn't know the interest rates would go up. Every idiot knows that happens with ARM loans. I don't feel sorry for them..I assure you the larger portion of America does not either!
Like I said, you need to do your research and look into who 1st challenged Fanny and Freddie....It was the REPUBLICAN PARTY!! The Libs were too busy stealing from this country to notice the problems that their people had created.
Seriously, do some research!
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thelaw said:
No, not really, it is within the realm of the topic because of various theories as to what should be done with re-casts.
It's sad because the seller of the newest set of RAIDER'S wave 2 figures is NOT going to sell to someone that he knows is going to make illegal copies of ANY part of the figures. He watched what happened to the German driver head....Thankfully, it was just a head that was new and not a whole figure.
So, the difference in opinions directly ties into the thread.
Kooshmeister
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Lance Quazar said:
Yeah, he's an awesome figure.
Well, his head is, anyway.
ChromiumBlue37
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Well, whatever the case may be with this new movie on the horizon, Hasbro really needs to overhaul their marketing strategy. They could begin by getting some of these figure, (Tough Sergeant) into production as well as the Lost Raiders Wave 5. Market them to Entertainment Earth or Target-only excluvie "battle packs"
ChromiumBlue37 said:
Well, one would hope that is the case. However, None of these retailers even want Indy toys now. There is a LOT of understanding that will go into the re-release of Indy toys based on the 5th movie. However, you simply won't see anywhere near the support as we just did.
I would say ( and this is goingoff more Hasbro info ) that there would be a release of Raiders Wave 2 figures along side of Indy 5 figures followed by 1 or two assortments of figures from TOD, TLC, & KOTCS.
Do not expect case after case of the same figures this time...Hasbro's ploy will be to get in and get out. However, the cost of less figures being produced is higher retail prices.
Star Wars is dying on the pegs..Hasbro has been very candid about this. As their attention turns to their own properties, it is critical that they get out of Lucas owned properties quickly.
The best thing that happened to the Indy line was that the TOD figures were hard to find...This pretty much ensired that they sold out IMMEDIATLY whenever they were found. That is a FAR improvement over what Poor Wal-Mart had to burdon thanks to Target, TRU, K-Mart and others dropping their orders after the case-pack outs were shown.
However, you can darn sure bet that Wal-Mart WILL NOT take that Burdon on again!
Remember, NOTHING hurts a Toy line more than those people who wait to buy items when they are discounted. NOTHING!!
Look at Transformers 2 Toys, they are HARDLY selling...Now Gi Joe is coming out and it has generous amounts of $8 figures and a lot of $30-$80 items as well. These items will not only FLOOD the markets but they will also sit on the shelves. Thus, once Hasbro starts losing money on their own properties, that will reduce what they CAN and WILL spend on Licensed lines.
Not to mention their recent admission that Star Wars collectors have started to abandon the toy line.
Rest assured, WHEN IJ5 product hits the shelves, BUY it while you can...I assure you, it will not be around to get discounted like before. Hasbro learned something with the TOD wave and the last wave of 12" figures.
Look at Transformers 2 Toys, they are HARDLY selling...Now Gi Joe is coming out and it has generous amounts of $8 figures and a lot of $30-$80 items as well. These items will not only FLOOD the markets but they will also sit on the shelves. Thus, once Hasbro starts losing money on their own properties, that will reduce what they CAN and WILL spend on Licensed lines.
Not to mention their recent admission that Star Wars collectors have started to abandon the toy line.
Rest assured, WHEN IJ5 product hits the shelves, BUY it while you can...I assure you, it will not be around to get discounted like before. Hasbro learned something with the TOD wave and the last wave of 12" figures.
throwmetheidol
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tnswman said:
That could be tough - since they are signed until something like 2012. Not to mention LFL owns something like a 5% stake in Hasbro. And the CLONE WARS toys were the #1 selling boys line through Jan 2009. So I think we might be seeing SW for some time to come.
throwmetheidol said:
I didn't say we wouldn't HOWEVER, they have already cancelled the next wave of "collector" figures due to the drop of Collector interest..It's all right there in black and white in their last couple of Q/A's. They talk pretty candid about the drop off in collector interest.
You can't count Clone Wars as a "collector's" line because it is media driven which will fluxuate.
The last thing action figure isles need are Media driven toys and nothing more. However, that is exactly what retailers are moving to.
Example: Here is one of their current answers to a q/a session.
Retailers are not scaling back, but chasing the assortments that are doing
very well. Similar to what is happening in the U.S., the Legacy
Collection/Droid Factory is struggling a bit compared to the other basic
figure assortments (Clone Wars and Saga Legends). Other assortments will
be making their way to retail, but likely in smaller quantities in line
with the current consumer demand.
There are more examples over the past few sessions
It's pretty major to see such candid talk from Hasbro..However, we saw the same with the Indy Q/A's.
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Gotta agree with tnswman on the "wait and see" attitiude of collectors in regards to the Indy line. I saw it in my own neck of the woods. Not just waiting for clearance, but just plain waiting "hoping to see better paintjobs" or "wanting better character selection" or "just getting around to it." Sounds obvious, but nothing kills a toyline faster than us waiting to see if it gets better.
Case in point: POTC 3.75 inch figures--no one bought 'em (myself included). We didn't get anymore.
Future Case in point: Star Trek from Playmates.
Opposite case: Star Wars POTF2 circa 1995 had some of the worst sculpts of any toyline at that time (far worse sculpts than Indy ever had paintjobs). But fans were so hungry for new Star Wars figures that it didn't matter. And thanks to fan support, the figures steadily got so great that we fans can now complain when we don't get ball-jointed hips(!)
Not to say this was the only factor. Wonky case assortments, expecting one movie to launch these toys into the stratosphere (i.e. not starting soon enough to get a feel for the audience that would support it), too many tentpole toylines at the same time, the recession, and yes, even crappy paint all helped bury Indiana Jones.
But if we the fanbase had supported it through the tough beginnings, this toyline might have found an audience. I guess people hoped all the built-up goodwill from SW would transfer over to Indy.
Case in point: POTC 3.75 inch figures--no one bought 'em (myself included). We didn't get anymore.
Future Case in point: Star Trek from Playmates.
Opposite case: Star Wars POTF2 circa 1995 had some of the worst sculpts of any toyline at that time (far worse sculpts than Indy ever had paintjobs). But fans were so hungry for new Star Wars figures that it didn't matter. And thanks to fan support, the figures steadily got so great that we fans can now complain when we don't get ball-jointed hips(!)
Not to say this was the only factor. Wonky case assortments, expecting one movie to launch these toys into the stratosphere (i.e. not starting soon enough to get a feel for the audience that would support it), too many tentpole toylines at the same time, the recession, and yes, even crappy paint all helped bury Indiana Jones.
But if we the fanbase had supported it through the tough beginnings, this toyline might have found an audience. I guess people hoped all the built-up goodwill from SW would transfer over to Indy.
Correct, The main detraction of the Indy line was the case assortments which turned everyone off including the retailers. However, We really could have not asked for more.
If only the retailers would have had enough interest to start the line early like Hasbro and Lucasfilm wanted it. Interest could have been better guaged by the time KOTCS came around. However, the way it happened, the entirety of the line pretty much fell on one retailer and even they said "ENOUGH" at the end.
This message board was FULL of members who wanted Indy figures and toys but were waiting for them to go on clearance....I understand wanting to get things cheap. However, the price was paid..the same people wanting a bargain shot the line in the head after the retailers shot the line in the feet.
Some are the very same people who asked me for copies of the Raiders figures. I hope they do get them..at full price from Hasbro.
If only the retailers would have had enough interest to start the line early like Hasbro and Lucasfilm wanted it. Interest could have been better guaged by the time KOTCS came around. However, the way it happened, the entirety of the line pretty much fell on one retailer and even they said "ENOUGH" at the end.
This message board was FULL of members who wanted Indy figures and toys but were waiting for them to go on clearance....I understand wanting to get things cheap. However, the price was paid..the same people wanting a bargain shot the line in the head after the retailers shot the line in the feet.
Some are the very same people who asked me for copies of the Raiders figures. I hope they do get them..at full price from Hasbro.
Lance Quazar
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thelaw said:
Sorry, but I can't muster any sympathy for Hasbro when they **** up. No one should feel obligated to buy a toy to "support" a company or even a line if they deliver substandard project.
I bought TONS of Indy toys when they came out because I really loved them. It did take some trial and error to find figures that didn't have crap paint jobs, but I managed to pull it off.
That said, for those who came after me, I can't blame them if they didn't want to buy substandard product and Hasbro has no one to blame but themselves for that.
Hasbro CAN make money off IJ. They DID make money off IJ. It's up to them to figure out the best way to do it.
Yes, I think that folks who deliberately wait around for clearance are doing a disservice to the future of the line.
That said, I bought up TONS of extra figures when they were being blown out at retail, mostly army builders, that I would never have bought at full price.
By the way, of COURSE future IJ releases (if they happen) will eventually be clearanced at retail. At least in some stores. That's determined by the retailer, not by Hasbro and some stores, notably Target, are notoriously impatient and fickle. They eventually blew out their final figures for a buck a pop.
TRU is a different animal, they still haven't lowered prices of Narnia figures below $5 and they STILL have some POTC figures on the shelves due to similar stubbornness.
Don't count on great numbers of future Indy toys making clearance...The numbers won't support it...sure, there will be some items that make it but not as we have seen.
Of course, that will mean that many collectors will have to turn to secondary markets to find some of their figures.
Of course, that will mean that many collectors will have to turn to secondary markets to find some of their figures.