will the russians be as good as the nazis?

Nurhachi1991

Nurhachi1991

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first off i hate nazis......... but i love them as bad guys i mean no one is more evil than the nazis!




the commies were kind of soft i dont think they will be that good of bad guys
 
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crowmagnumman

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That was one of my worries. I mean nazis are evil. You can kill tons of them and nobody cares. But Russians weren't quite as evil really. There was a lot of tension between us, and then later they became our friends. I'm thinking this is gonna have to be a particularly nasty batch of Russians or something. But then there will be the average Russian soldier that Indy kills here and there. We didn't feel bad for the average nazi because they were all fighting for the nazi cause. Maybe it wasn't that way in reality, but it was for the movies anyway. These Russians don't really have a cause exactly. We'll just see how they do it.
 
Nurhachi1991

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exactly i never get tired of seeing a nazi drive off a clif or get run over by a truck or go into a plane propellor its just great :D
 
Vance

Vance

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Nurhachi1991 said:
the commies were kind of soft i dont think they will be that good of bad guys
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:rolleyes: Let me guess... history was NOT what you majored in?

Stalin's regime was just as bad as Hitler's. It's just that Stalin didn't actually start a war to conquer territory, commit genocide, and all that. He was just able to do it to territories he had 'appropriated' during WWII.
 
Nurhachi1991

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Vance said:
:rolleyes: Let me guess... history was NOT what you majored in?

Stalin's regime was just as bad as Hitler's. It's just that Stalin didn't actually start a war to conquer territory, commit genocide, and all that. He was just able to do it to territories he had 'appropriated' during WWII.[/QUOTE

Obviously its not your major either because stalin died in 1953 and this movie is in 1957 so there
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herr gruber

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Vance said:
:rolleyes: Let me guess... history was NOT what you majored in?

Stalin's regime was just as bad as Hitler's. It's just that Stalin didn't actually start a war to conquer territory, commit genocide, and all that. He was just able to do it to territories he had 'appropriated' during WWII.
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I agree. They may not be as outright evil but they are tougher. Consider Barbarossa. They taught the Nazis a thing or three.
 
NileQT87

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and, apparently, your grasp of history isn't much better.

stalin DID participate in genocide. he also had a nasty habit of being paranoid of his own 'friends'. look up trotsky.

mao zedong - communist - est. 70 million dead.
joseph stalin - communist - est. 50 million dead.
adolf hitler - fascist - 11.6 million dead.

mao and stalin make hitler look like a good ol' boy.

http://www.ukemonde.com/genocide/margolisholocaust.html
 
herr gruber

herr gruber

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NileQT87 said:
and, apparently, your grasp of history isn't much better.

stalin DID participate in genocide. he also had a nasty habit of being paranoid of his own 'friends'. look up trotsky.

mao zedong - communist - est. 70 million dead.
joseph stalin - communist - est. 50 million dead.
adolf hitler - fascist - 11.6 million dead.

mao and stalin make hitler look like a good ol' boy.

http://www.ukemonde.com/genocide/margolisholocaust.html
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Actually, I'm a history major. How dare you be presumptious about people you know nothing about.
 
Nurhachi1991

Nurhachi1991

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yeah how dare you!


everyone knows stalin was crazy and killed his own comrades



and hitler look like a good ol boy? are you high?
 
NileQT87

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in comparison, hitler was small-ISH potatoes. still an awful, fetid piece of human existence, but mao and stalin were even worse.

all 3 were nightmares. along with pol pot, etc...
 
herr gruber

herr gruber

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NileQT87 said:
in comparison, hitler was small-ISH potatoes. still an awful, fetid piece of human existence, but mao and stalin were even worse.
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When we are talking mass murder, how can anyone rate one lunatic worse than than another lunatic?
 
NileQT87

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rated purely by their body counts.

next to mao and stalin, hitler pales in the running for the ultimate mass-murderer of all human history (and i'm NOT saying he wasn't evil--he was. very.).
 
NileQT87

NileQT87

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my question would be, even after being presented with the numbers, why mao and stalin aren't considered as much monsters as hitler is?

(and, imo, even worse monsters. and hitler was no slouch.)
 
Vance

Vance

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Nurhachi1991 said:
Obviously its not your major either because stalin died in 1953 and this movie is in 1957 so there
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I wasn't aware of the exact year the movie was set in, however, I wouldn't say that Nikolai A. Bulganin was far removed from the Soviet Apparatus that Stalin started up.

I gotta wonder, though, given all the history, how could you remotely consider the Soviet Communists 'soft'?
 
herr gruber

herr gruber

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NileQT87 said:
rated purely by their body counts.

next to mao and stalin, hitler pales in the running for the ultimate mass-murderer of all human history (and i'm NOT saying he wasn't evil--he was. very.).
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I understand your point but I really wouldn't give these guys the credit. I'm part Jewish so Hitler has a special place in my loathe files.
 
Vance

Vance

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NileQT87 said:
my question would be, even after being presented with the numbers, why mao and stalin aren't considered as much monsters as hitler is?

(and, imo, even worse monsters. and hitler was no slouch.)
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To be brutally honest? They largely killed people that most of Europe (and America) didn't give a rat's ass about.
 
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