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Old 04-20-2017, 01:45 AM   #326
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It doesn't seem to be mentioned in this thread but one thing that I noticed was different when watching KotCS was how (and I don't mean this harshly) "forgettable" the soundtrack was compared to the other three films. Don't get me wrong, there are some good pieces of work invested within the movie, but they don't stand out and achieve what the other films did in my opinion.
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Old 04-20-2017, 12:41 PM   #327
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It doesn't seem to be mentioned in this thread but one thing that I noticed was different when watching KotCS was how (and I don't mean this harshly) "forgettable" the soundtrack was compared to the other three films. Don't get me wrong, there are some good pieces of work invested within the movie, but they don't stand out and achieve what the other films did in my opinion.

I partially disagree. I find Irinas theme and The Adventures of Mutt theme to be as memorable as themes from Temple of Doom and Last Crusade. I also like the music that plays when Indy has to stare into the eyes of the skull. There are some parts of the soundtrack where it does feel like John Williams is just mailing it in but I think it is a better soundtrack than most fans give it credit for.
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Old 04-20-2017, 07:37 PM   #328
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I partially disagree. I find Irinas theme and The Adventures of Mutt theme to be as memorable as themes from Temple of Doom and Last Crusade. I also like the music that plays when Indy has to stare into the eyes of the skull. There are some parts of the soundtrack where it does feel like John Williams is just mailing it in but I think it is a better soundtrack than most fans give it credit for.

Funny you mention those specific songs, as those are the more favorable pieces IMO along with some others like "Ants!"
I agree that there are pieces just as memorable from the previous films, as I occasionally find myself with little bits of The Jungle Chase/ The Adventures of Mutt stuck in my head.
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Old 04-21-2017, 08:30 AM   #329
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It doesn't seem to be mentioned in this thread but one thing that I noticed was different when watching KotCS was how (and I don't mean this harshly) "forgettable" the soundtrack was compared to the other three films. Don't get me wrong, there are some good pieces of work invested within the movie, but they don't stand out and achieve what the other films did in my opinion.

I agree that Skull's soundtrack is the probably the weakest of the Indy scores, yet there's still a lot to like. The Jungle Chase and The Adventures of Mutt are two of my favorites, along with Spalko's Theme and Ants!. I love the music from the warehouse escape and it's baffling to me why it wasn't included on the soundtrack. I had to rip the audio from the DVD special features, along with the Jungle Chase extended version. Why both weren't included on the main release is anyone's guess.

I also love the little variation of The Raiders March at the finale, which definitely took me by surprise the first time I heard it.
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Old 04-29-2017, 07:01 PM   #330
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I like the film but it lacks any ''oopmh.'' It has a certain limpness and never feels like it gets going.
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Old 05-11-2017, 04:16 AM   #331
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It doesn't seem to be mentioned in this thread but one thing that I noticed was different when watching KotCS was how (and I don't mean this harshly) "forgettable" the soundtrack was compared to the other three films. Don't get me wrong, there are some good pieces of work invested within the movie, but they don't stand out and achieve what the other films did in my opinion.

I agree. The score for IV felt lazy and contrived compared to the greatness of the scores from 1-3.

The movie was a dud through and through. May very well be Spielberg's worst ever.
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Old 05-21-2017, 03:09 PM   #332
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I agree. The score for IV felt lazy and contrived compared to the greatness of the scores from 1-3.

The movie was a dud through and through. May very well be Spielberg's worst ever.

Worse than The Lost World, The BFG, and 1941? Really?
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Old 05-22-2017, 06:44 AM   #333
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It doesn't seem to be mentioned in this thread but one thing that I noticed was different when watching KotCS was how (and I don't mean this harshly) "forgettable" the soundtrack was compared to the other three films. Don't get me wrong, there are some good pieces of work invested within the movie, but they don't stand out and achieve what the other films did in my opinion.
I think a lot of that is also down to how iconic the original scores are and how long we've had to soak those in. The same was also levelled at The Force Awakens within hours of it opening, its way too early to make such judgements IMO. But with KOTCS going hand in hand is the fact we got a movie thats not as good as the other 3, so it instantly becomes less favourable overall. But I agree with a previous poster that the KOTCS score isn't IMO as bad as its sometimes painted to be.
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Old 05-22-2017, 10:08 AM   #334
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Worse than The Lost World, The BFG, and 1941? Really?

The Lost World was awful. I don't know how anyone could think Crystal Skull was worse than that mess of a film.
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Old 05-22-2017, 10:27 AM   #335
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KOTCS was an ok film and got better the second time I watched it, the first half of the movie was passable but when the aliens came into play it just went down hill.
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Old 05-24-2017, 01:19 PM   #336
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KOTCS was an ok film and got better the second time I watched it, the first half of the movie was passable but when the aliens came into play it just went down hill.
Considering that aliens came into play in the opening sequence, that's a pretty big problem

Kidding aside, though, I agree that the movie was okay for a while. For me, it really went downhill after the jungle chase. It had some problems before then, sure, but it also had plenty of genuinely fun moments. After the jungle chase, there are simply too many characters that I don't care about, the action scenes lack all tension, and Indy isn't even acting of his own initiative ("because it told me to.")

The final act of a story is when everything should get the most intense and the audience should feel the most invested, but in KOTCS, the exact opposite happened.

For me, the aliens themselves were not the problem. If Lucas/Speilberg/Koepp had crafted a story involving aliens, and managed to avoid the problems I mentioned above, it would have been fine.
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Old 05-25-2017, 10:33 AM   #337
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I liked the way the novelization handled the aliens, as they're more implied than actually shown. Had they gone with something like that I think it would have worked much better.
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Old 05-25-2017, 11:39 AM   #338
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Like Darabont's version?
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Old 05-25-2017, 12:48 PM   #339
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For me the problem is not so much the aliens/interdimensional beings but in more in the way that premise was executed. Lucas had so many ideas he was trying to cram into one story. I mean you had the crystal skull, the conquistadors, el dorado, roswell all kind of just slapped together and audiences were confused most of the time and when that happens they stop caring.

Compare that with Raiders, Indy is on a mission to recover the ark of the covenant before the evil Nazis do because the ark has wrath of Godlike powers that you don't want falling into the wrong hands. It's a very appealing and straightforward premise for an adventure that is easy to get invested in.

I think for Indy 5 to be successful, they need to go back to basics with the storytelling no matter if it's aliens or some other judeo-christian artifact.
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