Listen for yourself..Obama's Socialized medicine in his words
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HovitosKing
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deckard24 said:
Yes. And it doesn't require you posting a string of threads as evidence to make this point, despite what a certain mod might think. They're a bunch of angry little bigots trying to scream louder than the rest of us because they're slowly becoming marginalized and forgotten, both on this board and in society in general.
Nurhachi1991
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I'm beggining to think Obama is not the bad guy after all it's the Republicans there mad that they lost and there going to try to bash Obama every chance they get.
Like that school speech he gave. Was it necessary start all that crap?
Like that school speech he gave. Was it necessary start all that crap?
Yeah to be honest I wasn't quite sure what to make of that, considering I had taken Finn's advice only a few posts prior, and decided not to stoke the fire any further. So to literally turn around and start pointing fingers, would only exacerbate the situation. Sure, I could start providing links to threads, in fact some of the very comments I'm talking about popped up only the other day, but I'll leave it up to the mods to blow the whistle, if they feel some are taking their proseltyzing a bit too far!HovitosKing said:
HovitosKing
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deckard24 said:
lol good luck with that.
WillKill4Food
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They're often wrong, of course, but that doesn't make him right.Nurhachi1991 said:
A PM will do. I don't desire thread drift either but can't let stand slander like...HovitosKing said:
...without a little evidence. In case we miss something, we rely on your use of the /!\ button. You won't be penalized for reporting bad posts, and we'll politely let you know if you tend to report posts which don't reach the threshold of "bad."HovitosKing said:
ResidentAlien
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Nurhachi1991 said:
I'm decidedly apolitical... but...
"If you give up on you school, you give up on your country"?
THROW 'EM IN THE GULAGS!
Christ, this is the idiot everyone hails as some great public speaker? Pathetic. And that quote is simply terrifying.
monkey
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One of the major problems with American Politics these days is that often times those who are referred to as the "Far Right" often have nothing at all "Right Wing" about them.
Usually such people don't even realize that they are NOT Republican in any way shape or form. They are "BUSHISTS"; followers of that extremely RADICAL movement...........called NEO-CONSERVATISM, that spawned the Bush nightmare.
TRUE Republicans are appalled at how the Reign of the "Idiot" President reviled the good name of their Party.
Sadly the Rush Limbaugh (deviant, drug addict, radical neo-con) fans and other BUSH fanatics cling to the twisted ideology that led America to the brink of disaster from 2000 to 2008.
To those people I would ask: Why don't you learn what it is to be Conservative and Republican (recommended reading: anything by Patrick J. Buchanon), and stop supporting the BUSHISTS (Israel FIRSTists)?
Usually such people don't even realize that they are NOT Republican in any way shape or form. They are "BUSHISTS"; followers of that extremely RADICAL movement...........called NEO-CONSERVATISM, that spawned the Bush nightmare.
TRUE Republicans are appalled at how the Reign of the "Idiot" President reviled the good name of their Party.
Sadly the Rush Limbaugh (deviant, drug addict, radical neo-con) fans and other BUSH fanatics cling to the twisted ideology that led America to the brink of disaster from 2000 to 2008.
To those people I would ask: Why don't you learn what it is to be Conservative and Republican (recommended reading: anything by Patrick J. Buchanon), and stop supporting the BUSHISTS (Israel FIRSTists)?
Short Round
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I just do not understand who you are.
YOU SAID:
"They are "BUSHISTS"; followers of that extremely RADICAL movement...........called NEO-CONSERVATISM, that spawned the Bush nightmare."
You claim to be a true conservative. You say you hate Neo-Conservatism, but then you support Obama! The reason conservatives hate neo-conservatives is because they have LIBERAL ECONOMIC POLICIES, meaning Big Government policies. Obama has THE most liberal economic policies.
Do you really believe you are a true conservative??? YOU are Neo-Conservative, or just a Liberal.
"Sadly the Rush Limbaugh (deviant, drug addict, radical neo-con) fans and other BUSH fanatics cling to the twisted ideology that led America to the brink of disaster from 2000 to 2008."
Deviant? haha, you make me laugh. You do realize he has the most listeners on radio, right?
Bush had a twisted ideology? Tell me what Obama has changed. Is he still in Iraq and Afghanistan? Is he continuing big government economic policies? The answer is yes to both of those.
YOU SAID:
"They are "BUSHISTS"; followers of that extremely RADICAL movement...........called NEO-CONSERVATISM, that spawned the Bush nightmare."
You claim to be a true conservative. You say you hate Neo-Conservatism, but then you support Obama! The reason conservatives hate neo-conservatives is because they have LIBERAL ECONOMIC POLICIES, meaning Big Government policies. Obama has THE most liberal economic policies.
Do you really believe you are a true conservative??? YOU are Neo-Conservative, or just a Liberal.
"Sadly the Rush Limbaugh (deviant, drug addict, radical neo-con) fans and other BUSH fanatics cling to the twisted ideology that led America to the brink of disaster from 2000 to 2008."
Deviant? haha, you make me laugh. You do realize he has the most listeners on radio, right?
Bush had a twisted ideology? Tell me what Obama has changed. Is he still in Iraq and Afghanistan? Is he continuing big government economic policies? The answer is yes to both of those.
No, the reason that true conservatives hate neo-conservatives is that the latter have deviated from realist principles and naively think that they can save all the problems of the world through intervention. Any questions of economic policy would be subordinate to this, and non-essential to the definition anyhow.
Short Round
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Attila the Professor said:
Well it's kind of a mixture. But economic policies are DEFINITELY the main reason. True conservatives hated Bush's spending. And true conservatives hate Obama's spending. However, so-called "neo-conservatives" don't really believe they can solve all the problems through intervention. People just say this because of Iraq. Neo-conservatives are "conservatives" that are for big government. Period. Therefore, a true conservative would be against them AND Obama. This is the reason why Monkey is contradicting himself.
Dr Bones
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I know very little about American history or politics but can relate the health care system to what we have here in the UK which is apparently what Obama is modelling it on...the beloved NHS
Now everyone gets treated for free at the expense of the taxpayer.
The NHS does some amazing work (as Stephen Hawing will testify) but is obvioulsy imperfect.
There are long waiting lists. It's a lottery to where you live as to the quality of treatement you get. There's a huge boom in foreigners using our free health care to give birth to their children in our hospitals, then go back home. Over £2 billion per year is spent on treating alcohol related illness/injuries. I know of many recent examples of very young children being incorrectly treated for misdiagnosed simple yet serious textbook injuries, then also abruptly dealt with due to staff being overworked dealing wih drunks in the emergency room.
The NHs is stretchd to breaking point. Those with money can go private or get insurance but many don't.
Bear in mind this is a country where now the welfare bill costs a third of all revenue from income tax.
Those not working can earn more on welfare than those working. They get free health care like eveyone else but then for being unemployed add on free prescriptions, free dental care, tax credits and a minefield of other benefits they can claim legitimitley or not.
We are promoting a society of booze fuelled layabouts who cost the few working taxpayers so much to pay for their alcohol/drug related health care needs, then the cost policing the dangerous streets they terrorize.
The professionals working for the NHS do a tough job under tougher circumstances but the back is breaking.
So USA, FOLLOW US TO HELL IN A HANDBASKET.
Now everyone gets treated for free at the expense of the taxpayer.
The NHS does some amazing work (as Stephen Hawing will testify) but is obvioulsy imperfect.
There are long waiting lists. It's a lottery to where you live as to the quality of treatement you get. There's a huge boom in foreigners using our free health care to give birth to their children in our hospitals, then go back home. Over £2 billion per year is spent on treating alcohol related illness/injuries. I know of many recent examples of very young children being incorrectly treated for misdiagnosed simple yet serious textbook injuries, then also abruptly dealt with due to staff being overworked dealing wih drunks in the emergency room.
The NHs is stretchd to breaking point. Those with money can go private or get insurance but many don't.
Bear in mind this is a country where now the welfare bill costs a third of all revenue from income tax.
Those not working can earn more on welfare than those working. They get free health care like eveyone else but then for being unemployed add on free prescriptions, free dental care, tax credits and a minefield of other benefits they can claim legitimitley or not.
We are promoting a society of booze fuelled layabouts who cost the few working taxpayers so much to pay for their alcohol/drug related health care needs, then the cost policing the dangerous streets they terrorize.
The professionals working for the NHS do a tough job under tougher circumstances but the back is breaking.
So USA, FOLLOW US TO HELL IN A HANDBASKET.
Short Round
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Dr Bones said:
haha, thanks for your first-hand testimony Dr Bones. I could go over all the things you just did but it would be pointless because you stated it perfectly. All those things are true. It's sad the liberals in America are so ignorant and want this kind of "health care".
WillKill4Food
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EDIT: Obama addressed this is his speech tonight.WillKill4Food said:
But I still think more legislation should be set in action to have more impact than simply setting up "demonstration projects."Obama said:
monkey
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Short Round said:
Short Round,
I like you. You are dedicated to your cause. You are forthright, unapologetic, and passionate in your ideals and beliefs. The world needs more people like you.
But that is why I wish that I could convince people like you to abandon
Neo-conservatism...........stop listening to the degenerate Rush Limbaugh....and focus on what is best for YOUR country.
Do you want to know why I support President Obama? Do you want to know the single overriding reason why I support him???
He is NOT GEORGE BUSH!
Beyond that: He is not a 'tool' of the Neo-Cons. His Foreign Policy is not dictated by Israel. He CARES about America! He is ending the Iraq War, and I think that he will probably eventually end the Afghan War.
So he has faults. So he is somewhat "Socialist". OK, well we have a thing called the "Constitution", we have a thing called "Congress". If Congress does its job, then the will of the American People will overcome anything that they do not approve of.
RedeemedChild
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monkey said:
While I myself was intrigued with Barack Obama a few weeks ago it is with a keen and discerning eye that I now view him for he is not at all what you or I had hoped he'd be. Simply take a look at the video below to see exactly what I'm getting at.
If you want to dive straight in then simply fast forward to 5:52 to discover my direct point. Howbeit you're going to need to watch the whole program from the beginning to understand exactly what the program is talking about and then you'll have to watch the entire series to get a good grasp on things otherwise you might get lost in all of this.
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RedeemedChild
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Finn said:
Finn it's the only way I know to post video. I'll stop but could you explain to me how to post video a different way please? I'm sorry.