Nice to read something realistic from you.JayDee said:Nice to hear something not-so-sarcastic from you
Nice to read something realistic from you.JayDee said:Nice to hear something not-so-sarcastic from you
Without having seen it, you are complicating things in your own mind...Sharkey said:Wished you were right. Stoo's posts show that they planned the scene but we all knew that. Looking at all the making of stuff, the most I'll accept is that it got to the rehearsal stage but couldn't be pulled off.
So they filmed the bit parts leading up to a planned stunt that couldn't be done well. The stuff they filmed wasn't some crazy extra set up that differed from what we saw more than an extra take.
This isn't a FACT, Sharkey. It's your biased opinion. Who knows what Harrison thought?Sharkey said:Matter of fact, Harrison seems like the kind of guy who would have killed the idea as stupid.
Well, it WAS filmed because I (and others) saw it. Many Indy fans here at The Raven seem to be into comic book, superhero sh!t so I don't see how the egg-catch would be a problem with them...Sharkey said:Indy catching an egg maybe by accident maybe by super powers...more stupid sh!t.
Never filmed. Ever.
Stoo said:Well, it WAS filmed because I (and others) saw it.
Lance Quazar said:
JayDee said:And to show you that it can go the other way, too:
2009:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XczClAxhCEM
2010:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18O-Rj2MP9Q
So I don´t give a damn about quotes who are telling "They did not film this scene / Your memories are false."
JayDee said:And to show you that it can go the other way, too:
2009:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XczClAxhCEM
2010:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18O-Rj2MP9Q
So I don´t give a damn about quotes who are telling "They did not film this scene / Your memories are false."
Thank goodness at least someone here believes. Your faith is comforting, JayDee. Members have come & gone since this thread began 5 years ago but it's interesting to read earlier comments from 2006-2007. The replies are not full of doubt (except for possibly Moedred & VP).JayDee said:So I don´t give a damn about quotes who are telling "They did not film this scene / Your memories are false."
Lance Quazar said:
@Lance and Darth: I find it quite humorous that you gents are trying to insist that some people have dodgy memories simply because you, yourselves, were not fortunate enough to have seen the scene in question. Without sounding like a braggart, my personal ability to recollect is razor sharp and my friends & family often say that I have an amazing memory. Honestly, I can remember being bathed in the sink as a baby!Darth Vile said:Memory can be funny like that.
You live/grew up in the U.K., right? So, you didn't see the heart-ripping scene in the cinema either. It's obvious that there were alternate prints of "Doom". I saw the movie 5 times in theatres and the last time (February 1985), the egg scene wasn't there.Darth Vile said:...but it was never in the movie I saw in the cinema (numerous times), on video or on DVD.
Stoo said:@Lance and Darth: I find it quite humorous that you gents are trying to insist that some people have dodgy memories simply because you, yourselves, were not fortunate enough to have seen the scene in question. Without sounding like a braggart, my personal ability to recollect is razor sharp and my friends & family often say that I have an amazing memory. Honestly, I can remember being bathed in the sink as a baby!
This thread is a merge of 2 seperate ones where different individuals raised the egg topic based on their own memory. The subject has also been discussed on, at least, 3 other forums and 2 of them are general DVD forums not dedicated to Indiana Jones. (I'm assuming the one that JayDee found is the German Indy fan site.) Why would these people, independant of one another, mention the disappearance of the egg? Previously, Sharkey implied the 'power of suggestion' angle but it clearly does not qualify.
In this very thread, Chapter 11 wrote that he even remembers the audience's reaction to the egg catch. Lurkers such as mike and charlie k have come out of the woodwork to confirm that they have seen the egg so it's hard to understand egg-zactly why you guys don't believe the scene once egg-zisted.
You live/grew up in the U.K., right? So, you didn't see the heart-ripping scene in the cinema either. It's obvious that there were alternate prints of "Doom". I saw the movie 5 times in theatres and the last time (February 1985), the egg scene wasn't there.
You are continuing the 'power of suggestion' angle. What I remember was 12 years before my first access to the internet and (back then) nobody in my circle of friends was a bona-fide Indy fan so there was never a discussion that triggered a fake memory.Lance Quazar said:A couple people read something in a book, can't remember the source of their memory. Post about it online. Conversations begin, people reinforce each other, the story takes on a life of its own.
There WERE alternate prints of "Doom"! (Even "Raiders" had different prints...) As you must well know, theatrical releases were not commonly bootlegged in the early '80s like they are now so expecting/demanding instant photographic evidence is VERY NAIVE. This thread has become the quest for the evidence...(as hard as that search may be).Lance Quazar said:Otherwise, we're supposed to believe there were mysterious different prints only shown in a few countries and there isn't one SHRED of evidence to support that years later? Not a single verifiable quote or still image or frame or ANYTHING?
Myth, Schmyth. It's time to face the truth: Other people saw the egg scene, you didn't.Lance Quazar said:Without any actual hard evidence, this is nothing more than an urban myth.
Stoo said:What I remember was 12 years before my first access to the internet and (back then) nobody in my circle of friends was a bona-fide Indy fan so there was never a discussion that triggered a fake memory.
Stoo said:@Lance and Darth: I find it quite humorous that you gents are trying to insist that some people have dodgy memories simply because you, yourselves, were not fortunate enough to have seen the scene in question. Without sounding like a braggart, my personal ability to recollect is razor sharp and my friends & family often say that I have an amazing memory. Honestly, I can remember being bathed in the sink as a baby!
This thread is a merge of 2 seperate ones where different individuals raised the egg topic based on their own memory. The subject has also been discussed on, at least, 3 other forums and 2 of them are general DVD forums not dedicated to Indiana Jones. (I'm assuming the one that JayDee found is the German Indy fan site.) Why would these people, independant of one another, mention the disappearance of the egg? Previously, Sharkey implied the 'power of suggestion' angle but it clearly does not qualify.
In this very thread, Chapter 11 wrote that he even remembers the audience's reaction to the egg catch. Lurkers such as mike and charlie k have come out of the woodwork to confirm that they have seen the egg so it's hard to understand egg-zactly why you guys don't believe the scene once egg-zisted.
You live/grew up in the U.K., right? So, you didn't see the heart-ripping scene in the cinema either. It's obvious that there were alternate prints of "Doom". I saw the movie 5 times in theatres and the last time (February 1985), the egg scene wasn't there.
Darth Vile said:Stoo - I'd actually like you to be right about this one (anything for new Indy footage), but all I'm trying to do is apply some common sense. You are right about the edited version of TOD for the UK - sans heart ripping scene. However, that was an officially distributed cut specifically for the British film classification i.e. it was a fully documented and legitimate release. I don't think anyone is doubting that movies get edited/cut for specific distribution and that multiple edits can co-exist. What's in question is the content of the specific cut.
Deleted material usually surfaces one way or another. For years we've had hard photographic evidence to suggest that Indy tied himself to the periscope of a sub, Luke Skywalker conversed with friends at Tosche Station etc. Do we have such evidence for the egg scene? I'm struggling to find anyone who has a grainy photo or similar.
If you say you saw that particular scene in the cinema... I'm going to take you at your word and believe that you believe you saw it. However, the evidence is largely anecdotal. Again - I hope you are right and that we perhaps get these deleted scenes for the blu-ray versions... Perhaps that will put to bed what scenes were shot and cut from the final edits.
Go for it, Michael! The task is all yours.michael said:Surely someone from this list must be available through e-mail, that wouldn't mind shedding some light on the matter, no?
http://www.theraider.net/films/todoom/credits.php
To be honest & fair, I did read the novel back in '84. (Still have it, too!) I realize this fact is detrimental to the claim but must raise a question once again: Out of ALL the extra stuff in the novel, why do some people recall seeing the egg scene and not any of the other parts?Pale Horse said:You may be onto something, if you didn't read the novelization. It's in there, in detail. Probably why we all remember vaugely the same way, despite the lack of discussion about it at the time.
Thanks for chiming in, teampunk, and nice examples! The 2nd & 3rd times I saw "Raiders" at the theatre, the lightbeam/spike trap scene was removed!teampunk said:they do send movies out and then send recuts out a few weeks later. i've seen a couple of movies that had scenes cut out after the first couple of weeks. jaws 4 and aspen extreme are two that i remember. we went to jaws 4 the first week it came out and the ending was different when i saw it again on vhs. aspin extreme had scenes cut from it after the first week it was out. so yeah, if they sent the movie out and it scenes didn't test well then they cut them. and back then it could take a few weeks for all the prints to be changed. they still do this. it just happened with the kings speech.
The former is true. GREAT post, Tash, but I have to disagree with the quote of "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." We're talking about a 15-25 second scene in a movie...not a Bigfoot sighting or an alien in my bedroom. It's not that extraordinary. (Keep in mind that it wasn't only in theatrical releases because some people say they have seen it on VHS.)InexorableTash said:So there are at least two viable theories on the table - that the scene was shown theatrically due to variable edits as is known to have occurred during the 1980s but is now lost, or that memories to that effect are not accurate. Which one is true?
Stoo said:Out of ALL the extra stuff in the novel, why do some people recall seeing the egg scene and not any of the other parts?
Pale Horse, I...don't...understand...Pale Horse said:'cause swagger is just cool. (re: James Bond)
Stoo said:To the German fans, JayDee and Hanselation: Are either of you in touch with Dennis Bruhn? (He used to be a Raven member named, Sankara, who was eventually banned.) The reason I ask is because he is, supposedly, the largest Indiana Jones collector in Germany. It's possible that he has every German VHS release in his collection.
Pale Horse, I...don't...understand...