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Old 02-02-2018, 07:57 PM   #1
John Bechet
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Hi everyone,

I've been an Indy fan since Raiders came out. I was ten years old. My much older sister took me to see it. I didn't know what it was so I wasn't in an appreciative mood. While she was dragging me around some shops before the show, she said something that put me in a little sulk and I remember resolving to 'show her' by keeping my eyes shut for the whole film. This revenge plan was of course forgotten as soon as the film began and I was immediately gripped by the mysterious trek through the jungle. And then when we finally saw Indy's face I recognised him as Han Solo.

In my house, growing up, we watched a lot of golden age Hollywood movies, so I recognised how Raiders captured that era in aspects such as lighting techniques and John Williams's score sounding like the scores of that time. In the early 80's, we didn't have much choice on TV in England, just four channels. Old Hollywood movies made up a big part of what everyone watched. I expect that today, and evermore, this frame of reference is lost on a lot of people watching Indy because movies from that era get less and less airing.

One of my favourite movies is The Maltese Falcon.
I always thought that the back story in it sounds just like an adventure Indy would be involved in. The supporting characters - and in my imagination, Indy - in the Far East, each trying to get the Falcon before the others. That the Falcon's value is monetary and it just happens to be a historical artifact, not possessed of supernatural powers, makes it fit my preferred interpretation of Indy, as we find him at the start of Raiders, a 'finder of rare antiquities', using them as a source of finance, fortune and glory. (I am less interested in the Indy we get later who has developed the proper belief that artifacts belong in a museum and only goes adventuring because of family.)

I'd enjoy Indy adventures that have no supernatural elements, just pure treasure hunts with bad guys/rivals who are motivated by greed instead of wanting World Dominating Power. And Indy himself being shadier - to me, he is one of the raiders of the title, which is significant when the title format changes to "Indiana Jones and the *whatever*", reflecting his move more into the light.

But regarding supernatural elements, I also enjoy seeing parallels of Indy in some of the stories of M.R. James. You get the background of academia, the interest in ancient relics and pursuit/discovery of one that turns out to hold terrible powers. I like to imagine Indy in smaller scale, scary stories like these.
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Old 02-02-2018, 09:54 PM   #2
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Welcome to the bar, and here's to hoping Indy 5 brings us at least little of that smaller scale intrigue that excites you!
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Old 02-03-2018, 03:40 AM   #3
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Welcome to the bar, and here's to hoping Indy 5 brings us at least little of that smaller scale intrigue that excites you!

Thanks. See you around the forum!
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Old 02-06-2018, 09:28 AM   #4
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Welcome to The Raven, John. Great to see another fan of golden-age Hollywood movies around here and I agree with you about Indy being one of the "raiders".

Nice to have you aboard!
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Old 02-10-2018, 09:16 AM   #5
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Old 02-10-2018, 09:41 AM   #6
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Thanks, guys.

Regarding Indy being one of the titular raiders, as a kid I interpreted Belloq's saying that he and Indy are alike as a joke at Belloq's expense. Belloq, after all, was not the hero doing all the acton stuff. But today, I think it is an important statement in the script.
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Old 02-17-2018, 07:58 PM   #7
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Welcome, John,
I have been a fan since the second movie myself. I saw Raiders of the Lost Ark at a drive-in movie in Salem, Indiana. Back in Lancaster, California, I've seen Temple of Doom, Last Crusade and Crystal Skull in the movie theater.
These Indiana Jones movies are made for the big silver screen and I like that Indy has found two religious artifacts. The Ark of the Covenant and Jesus' Chalice was the most interesting to me. I did not like the Crystal Skull/alien story too much.
I know Harrison Ford loves to be "Indiana Jones" and has always been ready for another movie, but had to wait for Steven Spielberg and George Lucas to get on the ball.
I would like to see younger blood take control of the franchise with Disney and start making more "Indiana Jones" movies like every 2 years. I wonder if Ron Howard would be interested?
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Old 03-24-2018, 02:22 PM   #8
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Hi John,

I’m also a fan and also a newbie here, and I just wanted to let you know how much I appreciate your OP. One of the points that I’ve been writing about (and that made me want to post here) has been how Indy generally focuses on what I’ve called “outward-focused” storytelling—where characters go, what they do, whom they see—rather than “inward-focused” storytelling, which goes into analyzing every aspect of a character or group of characters in detail.

I equally love classic Hollywood cinema, and that tends to be all about outward-focused storytelling—albeit combining it with sharp characterization, which is not a contradiction in terms. Your point about how the Indy series recovers this aspect of classic cinema is spot-on, I think.

While I like all of the movies, I agree with you that the Indy we meet in Raiders is the best—a slightly enigmatic figure whom we like but (notably) don’t know entirely. This is outward focus at its finest.

I’d love an Indy plot like the Maltese Falcon backstory. Now there’s a better idea than aliens…

Thanks, John. Welcome—but then, of course, I’m new myself!
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