I think the three of us should write a book!
This is good stuff...
Up until Willie is in Cuba.
It might work but I don't think so.
No old characters but Marion!
Be nice to Willie, she is Steven's wife after all.
I would love to see Short Round come back though.
He could be a spy or mixed up with the Cuban mafia or even a casino owner.
I just hate to think that Indy just left Shorty on his own after TOD.
I like to think that Willie took him in and together they both grew up,
And now Willie is a much better person then the spoiled diva she was in TOD.
I was considering something: In all the films, we've never really seen Indy face off against a true equal, a true rival, someone almost totally like himself. An equal in ability, strength, intellect, etc.
Belloq was similar to Indy in terms of having a gray sense of morality and a love of archaeology, but he got his hands dirty. He'd have other people do his dirty work for him and reap the rewards of others' hard work--The type of person who'd hire someone like Indy to do the dirty work for him. He wasn't a action type of archaeologist like Indy in that sense, like a man who would actually risk life and limb and go into a tomb or cave full of booby taps to get what he wants; he'd have some cheap labor do it for him. He regarded archaeology as something to be dealt with precisely. His little remark about how the Nazis would "use a bulldozer to find a China cup" is a great insight into how he views archaeology and how it should be treated.
Indy's method for better or for worse is like going in with a bulldozer to find a China cup. And Indy in this instance is the bulldozer. He's desecrated and allowed for the destruction of ancient tombs just to obtain golden idols, for example. While he might hire help to AID him, notice that none of his hired help ever does the work for him--unlike Belloq. Belloq is a user; Indy is usually the person being used. Think in Raiders--Belloq is "working with"--using--the Nazi government for his own ends, and really using those around him to do his dirty work; he acts as the director of the Egypt expedition. Indy on the other hand is WORKING FOR the US government for their ends. He's not using them, they're using him.
Donovan wasn't even really an archaeologist, at least, that element of him was never really emphasized. He was a scholar sure, but he seems much like a Belloq, albeit less sophisticated and even more ruthless and evil. I can't see Belloq shooting Indy's father to get Indy to act; Belloq, while a morally gray character, never struck me as evil, unlike Donovon. Belloq respected Indy to a certain extent, whereas Donovon sees Indy as just another pawn, just another tool to help him reach the end. Belloq is probably the only villain in the series, along with Spalko who isn't truly traditionally "evil."
Donovon mentions engineers working in Ankara unearthed the Grail Tablet. I'd bet those "engineers" were men like Indy, men willing to go into the mountains north of Ankara "while excavating for copper" and get their hands dirty while Donovon sat back, relaxed and got his goals accomplished. Donovon was just a snake who was manipulating everybody from Hitler to Indy. Mola Ram was a psycho cult leader and Spalko was a Soviet agent.
The only one who comes close is Elsa in the sense of being a field archaeologist, and even then, she's not a straight villain or a major villain; She goes from being the love interest to the villain to the very end, never really sure of her feelings, only really on her side. She seemed to like Indy, but then again, who knows? She slept with both Indy and his father to try to get what she wanted and used the power of those around her to further her own ends.
It'd be interesting to have Indy's final villain--major villain, or one of the major villains--be a character almost exactly like himself in many ways. Perhaps a longtime rival--A "Forrestal" type. A guy who like Indy doesn't sit back and let others do the dirty work but goes in and does it for himself. A fighter and gunfighter just like Indy. Maybe younger than Indy, perhaps. Or, maybe an older version of a Fedora type character--a longtime rival of Indy maybe. A truly shadowy reflection of Indiana--moreso than Indy.
Indy's faced off Nazis; He's face off against Soviets; He's faced off against Thuggee Cultists--But he's never faced off someone truly like himself. That'd be the ultimate villain in a final film--a true equal. The Moriarty to Indiana's Sherlock. This route would be especially interesting to go down if they do decide to kill Indy on film, but even if they don't, it'd still be an interesting angle and would help take the film back to the grittier roots of Raiders.
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Originally Posted by Johnb02
No bad posts if they weren't our nations enemies.
John, just a friendly note to say that this is an international forum so "our nation's enemies" doesn't apply to everyone. Plus, it isn't a necessity to have future villains as enemies of the U.S. because the Thuggee weren't and they worked very well as bad guys for Indy to confront.
To me, Japan people, China people or South Pacific people would be the way to go for Indy 5 (if it ever gets made).
Originally Posted by Montana Smith
How about Bat-people?
How about Mole People?
Originally Posted by Montana Smith
Or just a Batman?
No. Though, I would love to see Indy whipping the shiznit out of Batman lovers & superhero fans for 2 hours!
I'd piss myself if we had pirates as the Indy villains.
I was resistant to this idea. Still am in fact, but after glimpsing the attached picture, I'm convinced that Indiana Jones could face off against a band of pirates if handled properly.
Why no pirates? The short answer: Indy is a land based mammal due to the technological constraints of the age and (now) his age. Undersea exploration wasn't de rigueur until the Sixties, and Jules Verne this is not.
That said, I've gone on record as saying that the series needs three things to continue to be worth a damn: a palette swap, a non-Abrahamic artifact/Macguffin/whatever, and no 'effing Nazis.
Keeping Indy between the two Tropics (that's Cancer & Capricorn) satisfies all three of those requirements. Specifically localizing the story in and around Indonesia allows island-hopping, komodo dragons, a tramp steamer, pirates, and a melange of cultures.
Getting back to the above photo, imagine the ensuing fight. Indy pulls out his revolver a la the Cairo Swordsman only to have it whipped out of his hand, and is forced to fight with whip and fists against a pair of whip wielding pirates!
I don't see underwater stuff because of several reasons.
Underwater exploring would be too connected to Atlantis stuff, and Lucas wouldn't go that route, obviously.
Furthermore, I can't see Indy taking a submarine trip inside. Indiana Jones and das Boot anyone? He sat on a submarine in Raiders and they didn't show the actual ride because no one cared enough. He was on a boat in Crusade, blew it up and swam home. That's what works in the Indyverse.
So what about diving action? I know Harrison is in good condition, but action scenes under the surface would be pretty exhausting for a man of his age, and even for him. And we already had this in Crusade. Also, Indy is about face expression and witty one liners, which would be omitted in situations like that.