Is every Indy fan a Bond fan?

Joosse

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lao che & sons said:
Plus I where a 007 watch!:eek:

Nice!

Wich one? The one with the magnet or the one with the extending piano wire that you can use to strangle your opponents with? ;)
 

Attila the Professor

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Joosse said:
I just realised I never even mentioned the obvious Bond tribute in Temple of Doom...

I'm not sure it's all that obvious; it's not Sean Connery that made the dinner jacket iconic.

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lao che & sons

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Joosse said:
Nice!

Wich one? The one with the magnet or the one with the extending piano wire that you can use to strangle your opponents with? ;)

it's not a prop from the film, it just has a sillouette of him holding a gun up (the classic james bond logo) and the 007 logo at the bottom, with a red ring around it. I got it for a good deal and it was a nice replacement to my other watch that recently broke:)
 
Attila the Professor said:
I'm not sure it's all that obvious; it's not Sean Connery that made the dinner jacket iconic.

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No really, I think those Lapel Cuts are pretty solid evidence, along with the carnation. While the buttons are different, it's a bulls eye, not dead center, but a great one two punch, (the pictures). Your Bogey is as much an influence but I can't quite make out the rest of the jacket.

(y)
 

lao che & sons

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well the tuxedo in doom included a vest whcih I don't recall Bond wearing one and bond's shirt is more of a tux shirt then what indy has on, or the other way around. But I like the reference, that is my favorite indy variant outfit(y)
 

Attila the Professor

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lao che & sons said:
well the tuxedo in doom included a vest whcih I don't recall Bond wearing one and bond's shirt is more of a tux shirt then what indy has on, or the other way around. But I like the reference, that is my favorite indy variant outfit(y)

Rocket's quite right though, of course. The Temple of Doom costume is likely intended as an allusion to both characters, but is far from an exact copy of either. Rick Blaine's got a double-breasted shawl collar, which is a lot different than the lapels that Bond and Jones have got. And it looks like Indy is the only one who's got the proper buttons. Bond's is classic and unadorned; Blaine's is both elegant and closed-off; Jones's is actually the showiest. It's never occurred to me before, and maybe this is partially because I'm at the tail end of a Young Indy series viewing, but he is a bit affected in his dress at times, always dressing the way he's supposed to. (As he should, of course, but I think it's most pronounced in the way he's so resolutely tweedy when he's on campus but has a variety of other suits when he's in DC or Venice. And that identity confusion with the necktie variant on IndyGear in Europe. I suppose this is in keeping with the Clark Kent/ Superman dynamic talked about in the Raiders story conferences.) There's all the jokes about the hats, and how attached to them he is.

Ah, I have so many things I should actually be doing.
 

Montana Smith

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The cut of Indy's Temple of Doom tuxedo is presumably in line with the 1930s fashion, whereas Bond's would be 1960s. I think the big give away is the red carnation - this is is as close as we get to the playboy Indiana Jones that Lucas originally conceived.

Comparing the photos of Sean and Harrison, Sean's tuxedo looks sharp at the shoulders, and immacualtely pressed. Harrison's is more crumpled and wrinkled, even on the lapels. The crumpled nature of the the Indy tux suits his less showy character.
 
Montana Smith said:
The cut of Indy's Temple of Doom tuxedo is presumably in line with the 1930s fashion, whereas Bond's would be 1960s. I think the big give away is the red carnation - this is is as close as we get to the playboy Indiana Jones that Lucas originally conceived.

Comparing the photos of Sean and Harrison, Sean's tuxedo looks sharp at the shoulders, and immacualtely pressed. Harrison's is more crumpled and wrinkled, even on the lapels. The crumpled nature of the the Indy tux suits his less showy character.

Connery's look was classic conservative, ala Brooks Brothers (worked there while in school) and is still classy today, (unlike the horrid Roger Moore lapels, collars and "bell bottoms" of the 70's). I tend to think Indy's "relaxed" look is all about material and tayloring...even Seans sleeves are not immune! But opinions are as they are.:hat:
 

Joosse

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They tried to make Indy's tux look like a 1930's tux by adding a vest, but the lapels are certainly 1960's.

Bogey's jacket (wich is naturally true 1930's) has less obvious lapels, and is also much longer.

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Montana Smith

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Rocket Surgeon said:
Connery's look was classic conservative, ala Brooks Brothers (worked there while in school) and is still classy today...

Joosse said:
They tried to make Indy's tux look like a 1930's tux by adding a vest, but the lapels are certainly 1960's.

Bogey's jacket (wich is naturally true 1930's) has less obvious lapels, and is also much longer.

Harrison's lapels are broader than Sean's, so is that some sort of compromise between Bogey and Connery? I know nothing about tuxedo fashions.

Rocket Surgeon said:
I tend to think Indy's "relaxed" look is all about material and tayloring...even Seans sleeves are not immune! But opinions are as they are.

I agree, as the material used for suits worn in Shanghai would probably have been lighter, Shanghai being unrelentingly hot and humid, especially to westerners unsued to that sort of climate.

As an aside, Shanghai was a fascinating city in the 1930s, and I have several books on the subject, including a complete reprint of a 1930s travel guide to Shanghai.

Rocket Surgeon said:
(unlike the horrid Roger Moore lapels, collars and "bell bottoms" of the 70's)

How I hate 1970s fashion! Huge collars, huge flapping bell bottoms, and pastel blue safari suits. It all added to the camp nature of Roger's Bond. :eek:
 

indyfan85

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I don't hate bond, I just like certain movies and actors in the Bond role. How can you hate Sean Connery's bond?

Diff strokes I guess
 

Darth Vile

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Saber79 said:
I guess Indiana Jones to me is what James Bond is to my dad. The generational hero.

I agree. My preference is for the Indy movies, as they are more a product of my generation. However, I do really appreciate and enjoy the ?classic? Bond movies too.

It can be argued that the early Bond movies were more of a cultural phenomenon than the Indy movies were/are? and in that regard (as far as cultural/cinematic significance is concerned), the ?classic? Bond movies are perhaps closer to Star Wars than they are to Indiana Jones.

Of course to someone of my generation, nothing quite compares to that memory of seeing Raiders and Star Wars on the big screen for the first time (especially as my introduction to Bond movies was via the less impressive small screen of TV)? However, I?d imagine kids of the 60?s would have been equally blown away when watching Goldfinger and You Only Live Twice for the first time.
 

Montana Smith

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I watched Daniel Craig's Casino Royale last night, and enjoyed it. I think that Craig makes a much closer representation of Fleming's vision of Bond.

I can see that the film was trying to do something new, but at the same time not entirely alienating the traditional Bond fans. Just like Batman Begins, Casino Royale is Bond rebooted, a way of ensuring thst the character will always remain young, contemporary and relevant (as opposed to allowing Indiana Jones to age in real-time, since the adult Indy is so specifically associated with Harrison Ford, whereas Bond is associated with Niven, Connery, Lazenby, Moore, Dalton, Brosnan, and now Craig).

I liked the way Craig played the character - he was brutal (as you would expect a professional killer to be), he was imperfect, he was a loose cannon. In bridging the gap between the old and the new, this new Bond was less focussed on gadgets, and apart from the early 'jumping' scenes, the stunts were more 'grounded' than in previous incarnations. Crashing the Aston was a stunning scene - and Craig wasn't thrown clear to allow the car to explode, as you would normally expect in a Bond movie.

I still prefer Indiana Jones as a far more engaging character, but Casino Royale was definitely, in my eyes, a step in the right direction. Now I have Quantum of Solace lined up for viewing...
 

Joosse

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Montana Smith said:
I watched Daniel Craig's Casino Royale last night, and enjoyed it. I think that Craig makes a much closer representation of Fleming's vision of Bond.

I can see that the film was trying to do something new, but at the same time not entirely alienating the traditional Bond fans. Just like Batman Begins, Casino Royale is Bond rebooted, a way of ensuring thst the character will always remain young, contemporary and relevant (as opposed to allowing Indiana Jones to age in real-time, since the adult Indy is so specifically associated with Harrison Ford, whereas Bond is associated with Niven, Connery, Lazenby, Moore, Dalton, Brosnan, and now Craig).

I liked the way Craig played the character - he was brutal (as you would expect a professional killer to be), he was imperfect, he was a loose cannon. In bridging the gap between the old and the new, this new Bond was less focussed on gadgets, and apart from the early 'jumping' scenes, the stunts were more 'grounded' than in previous incarnations. Crashing the Aston was a stunning scene - and Craig wasn't thrown clear to allow the car to explode, as you would normally expect in a Bond movie.

I still prefer Indiana Jones as a far more engaging character, but Casino Royale was definitely, in my eyes, a step in the right direction. Now I have Quantum of Solace lined up for viewing...

Hey Montana,

glad to hear you've watched and enjoyed it! Now you know what we were on about. ;)

Nobody expected you to like Indy any less because of it. I prefer Indy to Bond as well. But it's always good to know that there are more excellent movies out there.

Quantum of Solace is one of those movies that you either love or hate. Personally I love it, it's a good movie with a very fast pace, and shows Craig's Bond very well. But there are plenty of people out there who didn't like it, so I'll be looking forward to hearing what you think.

(y)
 

AnnieJones

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Joosse said:
Is every Indy fan a Bond fan?
No.I'm not a Bond fan personally.But every time I say I have cold fingers,the song GoldFinger goes through my head.LOL


Fun Facts:

1.Ian Fleming,the author of James Bond,also wrote the children's story Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.

2.James Bond,was created in January 1952 by Ian Fleming while on holiday at his Jamaican estate, Goldeneye. The hero, James Bond, was named after an American ornithologist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Bond_(ornithologist) , a Caribbean bird expert and author of the definitive field guide book Birds of the West Indies. Fleming, a keen birdwatcher, had a copy of Bond's field guide at Goldeneye.
 
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tambourineman

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Huge Bond fan, more so than an Indy fan. Ive seen every Bond movie at least a dozen times.

The Bond films rarely reach the excellence of the Indy films, but theres just so much more there. Even the horrid Brosnan era has a few great moments scattered amongst the garbage. And with Daniel Craig we've entered into a new golden age of 007. CR is imo easily the best Bond film since the first four Connery films, and QoS was a terrific film too. Not quite up there with CR but theres plenty of moments throughout (such as the opera scene or the closing scene) that rank with the best the series has to offer.
 
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