EyesofMara
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What did everyone think of Karen Allen's role in the film? To me it was old Marion, she did really well, and had some good action sequences.
Goonie said:It was god to see her on the big screen again but it felt that she didn't have much to work with. It would have been good to see her at least punch out Spalko and take out some of the Ugha warriors.
She serves to drive two trucks during the film?s Jungle Chase, gets hit on the head for no reason, misses a perfect opportunity to elbow Spalko in the face, and manages to completely disappear from the scene before hopping back into the fray at the last minute to send the entire ensemble over one cliff and not one, but three waterfalls. |
lynchpin said:She's not the same Marion Ravenwood we watched match Jones in Raiders of the Lost Ark. She has all but four lines before being reduced to a convenient prop that bickers, screams, and then aww, marries Jones at the end of the film (quite the come around for a woman left twice by the man she loved, the last time apparently being a week before the wedding? WTF mates.) She has not one moment of delivery where her voice isn?t several decibels above the norm.
She serves to drive two trucks during the film?s Jungle Chase, gets hit on the head for no reason, misses a perfect opportunity to elbow Spalko in the face, and manages to completely disappear from the scene before hopping back into the fray at the last minute to send the entire ensemble over one cliff and not one, but three waterfalls.
I can imagine the presumed fanboy jean-cream that?s suppose to happen when Marion appears on screen, but what you witness between Indy and Marion is not ?chemistry? as some have described it, nor is it clever. In fact, it feels like sucker punching parody. In Raiders, Marion and Indiana played off each other with actual emotion -- there was loss, anger, affection at the Raven. The verbal assault they give each other here is insincere telegraphing. It's too much, too late.
Karen's a sweetheart and all, but she's embarrassing in the film. Her screaming "Get down!" and "INDYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" were enough to make a grown man squirm. Such a bummer.
lynchpin said:"I had a damn good live. A damn good life" is about all we learn about her being a single mother who should have socked Indy for leaving her (twice.)
lynchpin said:I enjoy your reading about it very much, but there's not one piece of evidence in the film to support it beyond compassionate speculation by people like yourself and I. We can forgive bad performances by making up reasons unexplained in the film, but it doesn't justify them. Saying "Gee, Bob had a bad day, it's okay if he screams and yells a lot" doesn't let Bob off the hook.
"I had a damn good live. A damn good life" is about all we learn about her being a single mother who should have socked Indy for leaving her (twice.)
lynchpin said:She's not the same Marion Ravenwood we watched match Jones in Raiders of the Lost Ark. She has all but four lines before being reduced to a convenient prop that bickers, screams, and then aww, marries Jones at the end of the film (quite the come around for a woman left twice by the man she loved, the last time apparently being a week before the wedding? WTF mates.) She has not one moment of delivery where her voice isn?t several decibels above the norm.
lynchpin said:She's not the same Marion Ravenwood we watched match Jones in Raiders of the Lost Ark. She has all but four lines before being reduced to a convenient prop that bickers, screams, and then aww, marries Jones at the end of the film (quite the come around for a woman left twice by the man she loved, the last time apparently being a week before the wedding? WTF mates.) She has not one moment of delivery where her voice isn?t several decibels above the norm.
She serves to drive two trucks during the film?s Jungle Chase, gets hit on the head for no reason, misses a perfect opportunity to elbow Spalko in the face, and manages to completely disappear from the scene before hopping back into the fray at the last minute to send the entire ensemble over one cliff and not one, but three waterfalls.
I can imagine the presumed fanboy jean-cream that?s suppose to happen when Marion appears on screen,...
Junior Jones said:Dude, I'm glad I saw the movie before reading this. You put spoiler tags around your comments on the Jungle Chase, but not around the wedding stuff? We saw the chase in the trailer, the wedding comments are way more spoilerish.
I also think she and Indy needed a quiet moment together other than their brief conversation in the back of the truck. After the lengthy jungle chase and ant fight, the movie really needed to let the audience catch its breath. They should've borrowed a page from the Monkey King/Saucermen scripts, and included a short boat trip upriver. After revealing the skull to the Ugha warriors, it would've been nice to see Indy interact with them. The great thing about lost cities in old B movies, is that they usually came packaged with a lost tribe. But the Ugha warriors feel more like an afterthought, and are far too similar to the earlier, mindless cemetary warriors. This could've allowed another quiet moment, and a nice visual of Indy and Co. surrounded by an entire forgotten race. Koepp has said that Indy ultimately realizes Marion is what he has been looking for in the film. But they missed some really great opportunities to drive that point home. A brief scene of Indy and Marion taking in the spectacle of the lost city, and I'd basically have gotten the "Indy and Garden of Eden" film I'd always wanted. |