TheRaider.net
 

Go Back   The Raven > Off Topic > Films
User Name
Password

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 05-18-2018, 04:01 PM   #101
JasonMa
IndyFan
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 221
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raiders112390
I'll be honest and say TLJ (and the idea of the subsequent milking of the franchise every single year) has actually totally killed all interest I had in Star Wars. Not even going forward. I don't even bother watching the old movies anymore. Like, I feel almost...just turned off to them. And no, it wasn't simply because of any "SJW" stuff but...just you had three great films, three average to subpar films...And then three empty hollow vessels...It's just...I can't even really explain it. My interest at this point, I'm so fatigued and down because of all the nonsense that you couldn't even pay me to watch the original, un-messed with versions in HD.
I'm mostly with you here. I actually had a moment riding Hyperspace Mountain at Hong Kong Disneyland though which made me realize I still love the original trilogy and nothing will ever change that. The ride is themed during the original trilogy setting (even though it says you're fighting above Jakku, I wonder if the ISD you see is supposed to be the one Re\y is scavenging 20 years later). You get the standard original trilogy sound effects, images, and Ackbar giving you your orders and it still hits that little kid spot inside of me. Ackbar saying "May the force be with you" is still meaningful, even after all the crap that's come since the 80's.

That said, I think Star Wars Rebels and Rogue One still envelop that feeling and universe in a way nothing else since the original trilogy has (caveat, I still haven't finished watching Clone Wars but its good so far) on screen. The other 5 movies though are largely worthless and I likely won't see Solo in the theaters and probably not Episode XI.
JasonMa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2018, 04:58 PM   #102
emtiem
IndyFan
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: London, UK
Posts: 646
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moedred
Ford's face pasted into the trailer.



It's not brilliantly done but it does kind of highlight how weird that trailer is: no trailer for a film starring Harrison Ford as the titular character would have him lurking in the back of shot and barely speaking like that!
emtiem is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2018, 07:09 PM   #103
Moedred
Administrator
 
Moedred's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: California
Posts: 4,882
Another story on the $250M journey.

Lawrence Kasdan: "No one was happy about it. It was agony."
Moedred is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2018, 08:20 PM   #104
Joe Brody
IndyFan
 
Joe Brody's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Sweetest Place on Earth
Posts: 2,652
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moedred
Another story on the $250M journey.

Lawrence Kasdan: "No one was happy about it. It was agony."

Interesting that Woody Harrelson (whose talent and professionalism I respect) stuck with the Lego guys.

Early word for Solo's opening weekend box office is not good.


Quote:
Walt Disney Co. slashed its opening-weekend forecast for "Solo: A Star Wars Story" as early returns from theaters signaled a deeply disappointing opening for the company's newest space adventure film.
Ticket sales at U.S. and Canadian theaters are likely to total $105 million to $115 million through the four-day Memorial Day weekend, Disney said Friday in an email. That's a sharp cut from prior company estimates that ran as high as $150 million.

International box office looks like an outright disaster.

I'll give it a week or two, and I may revisit my prognostication about Kennedy's fate. Problem is, with ESPN being a total sh*tsh*w and the Wall Street Journal running an article this week about female CEO's getting the axe, I'm not sure Disney has the heart to cut her loose now.
Joe Brody is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-26-2018, 09:58 AM   #105
curmudgeon
IndyFan
 
curmudgeon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Minnesota, USA
Posts: 301
Despite the rough situation behind it, in my opinion, it's actually the most consistently entertaining of the Disney Star Wars films.

Really, the only issue I had was a heavy handed cameo that was so unsubtle that they may as well put text on the screen saying "Look kids! It's ____ ____!" But even then, it's only 30 seconds of the movie.
curmudgeon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-27-2018, 01:33 AM   #106
Pale Horse
Moderator
 
Pale Horse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: L.A.
Posts: 6,981
It wasn't a bad film, but I agree with the heavy-handedness. It had the air of being forced, and not at the same time. My 11 year old son said it just didn't fit into the plug like it should have.

I'll have more later.
Pale Horse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-27-2018, 11:56 AM   #107
Drones33
IndyFan
 
Drones33's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: England
Posts: 516
Anybody else notice the Indy easter eggs in Solo?
Drones33 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-27-2018, 01:23 PM   #108
Forbidden Eye
IndyFan
 
Forbidden Eye's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: With the Treasure of Mara...
Posts: 991
Quote:
Originally Posted by Drones33
Anybody else notice the Indy easter eggs in Solo?

Yup! Was waiting for someone like Moedred to come and post it. But I guess Iíll post the article. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cin...tar-wars-story

Quote:
In Solo, when Han visits Dryden Vos, the gangster played by Paul Bettany, Vos' office is filled with tons of knick-knacks and various other trophies. One of these items is the fertility idol from Raiders, which is seen sitting on a table in Vos' office.

This easter egg was confirmed by director Ron Howard, who told Radio Times that the idea to include the Indiana Jones callback was Jonathan Kasdan's, who co-wrote Solo with his father, Lawrence Kasdan. The elder Kasdan also happened to write Raiders of the Lost Ark, so this a multi-layered callback we have here.

The idol isn't the only Indiana Jones reference that can be found in the movie either. Dryden Vos has items from the other Indiana Jones films as well, with fans spotting the Sankara Stones from Temple of Doom and the Holy Grail from The Last Crusade. None of the easter eggs are at the forefront of any shot, but merely fill out the background details, so it takes a little searching to actually spot them. Vos also has a crystal skull in his office, and while that is an easter egg of its own, it's not an Indiana Jones related one.

So is the crystal skull a nod to Indiana Jones or to that Han Solo novelization?
Forbidden Eye is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-27-2018, 02:22 PM   #109
curmudgeon
IndyFan
 
curmudgeon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Minnesota, USA
Posts: 301
Quote:
Originally Posted by Forbidden Eye
Yup! Was waiting for someone like Moedred to come and post it. But I guess Iíll post the article. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cin...tar-wars-story

So is the crystal skull a nod to Indiana Jones or to that Han Solo novelization?

It's a nod to one of the Han Solo novel covers.


curmudgeon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-28-2018, 06:51 PM   #110
TheFedora
IndyFan
 
TheFedora's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 638
Quote:
Originally Posted by Forbidden Eye
Yup! Was waiting for someone like Moedred to come and post it. But I guess Iíll post the article. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cin...tar-wars-story



So is the crystal skull a nod to Indiana Jones or to that Han Solo novelization?


I was looking throughout the scene, but could not find the sankara stones or the grail. However seeing Solo sitting with the Idol behind him was a good callback/shout out to Indy. Anyway, I really enjoyed the movie, it was awesome, and wouldnt mind watching it again sometime in the future!
TheFedora is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-28-2018, 11:15 PM   #111
Pale Horse
Moderator
 
Pale Horse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: L.A.
Posts: 6,981
Hey, Joe....


Last edited by Pale Horse : 05-29-2018 at 12:12 PM.
Pale Horse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2018, 12:24 AM   #112
roundshort
IndyFan
 
roundshort's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Napa CA
Posts: 4,096
Wife and I went and saw it. So much fun. All blasters and action. I loved that they didnít let a story get in the way. And no Jedi crap. Canít wait for the next one!
roundshort is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2018, 12:57 AM   #113
Raiders112390
IndyFan
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 2,038
Quote:
Originally Posted by roundshort
Wife and I went and saw it. So much fun. All blasters and action. I loved that they didnít let a story get in the way. And no Jedi crap. Canít wait for the next one!

Spoiler alert: There won't be a next one.
Raiders112390 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2018, 10:15 AM   #114
IndyBuff
IndyFan
 
IndyBuff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Missouri
Posts: 1,393
All those people saying the boycott wouldn't have any effect are looking a bit foolish this morning.
IndyBuff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2018, 10:44 AM   #115
Pale Horse
Moderator
 
Pale Horse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: L.A.
Posts: 6,981
Quote:
Originally Posted by IndyBuff
All those people saying the boycott wouldn't have any effect are looking a bit foolish this morning.

Boycott? I'm out of the loop....
Pale Horse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2018, 11:55 AM   #116
curmudgeon
IndyFan
 
curmudgeon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Minnesota, USA
Posts: 301
Quote:
Originally Posted by IndyBuff
All those people saying the boycott wouldn't have any effect are looking a bit foolish this morning.

Yes, congratulations to those boycotting Solo because of Kathleen Kennedy ruining Star Wars with forced diversity and putting women in the lead of the films.

Sinking the the film with the white male lead will surely help your cause.

/Sarcasm
curmudgeon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2018, 11:57 AM   #117
emtiem
IndyFan
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: London, UK
Posts: 646
Saw it today: thought it was cracking fun. A proper straightforward space adventure film- top stuff.

Great score too: really in the old Lucasfilm mould.
emtiem is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2018, 08:56 PM   #118
Joe Brody
IndyFan
 
Joe Brody's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Sweetest Place on Earth
Posts: 2,652
I agree with many that Solo is better than Last Jedi -- which isn't saying much.

Bottom line for me is that Solo makes the FIFTH prequel film to New Hope. Frankly, as an at-best casual Star Wars fan, I just do not care enough to watch more. Strategically, I think this is yet another area where Kennedy let herself get led astray. Too much emphasis on prequels. With Rogue One, she got lucky and got a great film but to give notice that she intends to green light scores of new prequel movies (with Boba Fett, Lando, Han and Ben Kenobi) reveals that she has no vision. Coming up with marginal stories set before New Hope just isn't going to cut it. Hardly anyone cares.

A lot has been made about how Solo was snakebite by scheduling (coming just months after Last Jedi) but what I'm not seeing commentators call out is that Solo came hard on the heels of Infinity Wars, which took folks to places they haven't been before (an action film where the bad guy wins outright). Hell, Solo came hard on the heels of Deadpool 2 that (while an inferior copy of the first) still had me laughing uncontrollably in at least one scene. Compared to these two films, Solo was just a whole bunch of average and below average. Did I enjoy it more than I thought I would? Yes. Do I care to see it again? Hell no.

I subscribe to Sick Boy's unifying theory of life. When you get old, you can't hack it anymore. And for the Kasden clan, I'm adding a 'family corollary' to the theory: when you get old and collaborate with family, what you got is not very good. I think I see now what happened during Solo's production. The Kasden's came up with this rambling misshapen mess and the Lego guys tried to bring the story telling pace into this century. The Kasden's freaked out and got Kennedy freaked out and she ran and hired Richie Cunningham -- who, like the good kid he is, stuck to the script. Now we see the results. The pacing was awful. There was too much dead air. Hell, I think Paul Bettany's character offered everyone snacks at one point. WTF????

[Minor spoilers ahead]There are some aspect of Solo that I suspect survived from the original shoot: the Han/Chewie shower scene and the Lando diaries scene. It would have been interesting to see a version of Solo with the Lego guy's footage. If nothing else, I'm sure the pace is a lot zippier.

Notably, Solo still did well with males (56% opening weekend?), and commentators are noting that there is no real competition for a couple of weeks. Accordingly, it will be interesting to see the US hold. I still think Kennedy gets canned -- she has failed strategically (destroying the international fanbase and alienating many) and tactically (see the carnage of fired directors). She has more slack than anyone I have seen in corporate America at that level. But since I posted last, Disney's ABC just had to can Roseanne Barr -- so I still question if Disney has the resolution to fire Kennedy now or in a year or two. I think Disney knows that they have to shut down Rian Johnson, so it'll be interesting to see.

From a licensing perspective, Star Wars and Rey are selling tons of consumer goods, even Dole salad mix.

I defer to other's marketing expertise, but I suspect licensee's are NOT getting a good return on their investment. If the Disney licensing well starts to dry quickly, I think that will be another factor in the termination decision.
Joe Brody is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2018, 09:36 PM   #119
Grizzlor
IndyFan
 
Grizzlor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Indiana, NJ
Posts: 691
Watched it today. Mehhh. Alden does a great job as Solo, but beyond that, it's a terrible script. The story is not quality, and several times I nearly fell asleep. The Voss dude was incredibly toothless, and what was with Lando and the droid? Come on. It's strange that I went in expecting a tight story with Alden being the loose end, but left with the opposite.
Grizzlor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2018, 09:12 AM   #120
JasonMa
IndyFan
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 221
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Brody
that Solo came hard on the heels of Infinity Wars, which took folks to places they haven't been before (an action film where the bad guy wins outright).
Couldn't you say this about Empire Strikes Back. Even Two Towers arguably? The bad guy generally wins in the middle of the story, that's what sets up the final act. Infinity War is just Part 1 of the story.
JasonMa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2018, 10:27 AM   #121
roundshort
IndyFan
 
roundshort's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Napa CA
Posts: 4,096
Quote:
Originally Posted by JasonMa
Couldn't you say this about Empire Strikes Back. Even Two Towers arguably? The bad guy generally wins in the middle of the story, that's what sets up the final act. Infinity War is just Part 1 of the story.

No you canít. Darts ďdad bodĒ Vader didnít win at all in Emprie. He was trying to make Luke join or kill him. He was unsuccessful at both attempts and we know how that worked out for him and the Empire. It was a darker movie, but if anything it was push. And the other movie you reference why didnt they just take the birds?
roundshort is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2018, 11:11 AM   #122
JasonMa
IndyFan
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 221
Quote:
Originally Posted by roundshort
No you canít. Darts ďdad bodĒ Vader didnít win at all in Emprie. He was trying to make Luke join or kill him. He was unsuccessful at both attempts and we know how that worked out for him and the Empire. It was a darker movie, but if anything it was push.
But Han is captured, the Empire has wiped out the Rebel base on Hoth, and things are pretty grim. Maybe its not a complete win but the Empire is in a better position than the Rebellion.

Quote:
Originally Posted by roundshort
And the other movie you reference why didnt they just take the birds?
Well yes, the classic flaw with the whole trilogy.
JasonMa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2018, 11:41 AM   #123
Pale Horse
Moderator
 
Pale Horse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: L.A.
Posts: 6,981
Quote:
Originally Posted by roundshort
No you canít. Darts ďdad bodĒ Vader didnít win at all in Emprie. He was trying to make Luke join or kill him. He was unsuccessful at both attempts and we know how that worked out for him and the Empire. It was a darker movie, but if anything it was push.

I'm with Shorty.

"Bad guys win" movies are Chinatown, No Country for Old Men, Silence of the Lambs, Usual Suspects, Gone Girl.... etc.
Pale Horse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2018, 01:07 PM   #124
JasonMa
IndyFan
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 221
My general point was that Infinity War was part 1 of 2. The bad guys win in the middle of a (good) story to set up the final act. There was no surprise to me that Thanos came out of IW on top, that was almost a guarantee once it was announced the story would take place over two movies.
JasonMa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2018, 03:12 PM   #125
emtiem
IndyFan
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: London, UK
Posts: 646
Maybe don't spoil a movie plenty of folks haven't seen yet in a thread unrelated to that movie?
emtiem is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:01 PM.