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View Poll Results: Rey is the progeny of...
Luke & (Mara?) 5 41.67%
Obi Wan & (Satine?) 5 41.67%
Qui Gon & (Shmi?) 0 0%
Anakin & (midi-chlorians?) 1 8.33%
Palpatine or/and Dooku 1 8.33%
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Old 01-25-2017, 02:09 PM   #26
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If they kill off Luke I'm going to boycott these new Star Wars movies.
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Old 01-25-2017, 07:14 PM   #27
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Not a bad title. It could be seen as being either singular or plural. So far Disney is two for two and I'm expecting this one to be just as solid.

It's singular:

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THE FORCE AWAKENS

Luke Skywalker has vanished. In his absence, the sinister FIRST ORDER has risen from the ashes of the Empire and will not rest until Skywalker, the last Jedi, has been destroyed.



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Old 01-28-2017, 01:33 PM   #28
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It's also in context for that point of time. Luke's the "Last Jedi"... for the moment, and not necessarily the last ever.

That was the whole point of the First Order trying to find him in the last film. Snoke even says something to the effect of "If we don't find him first, the new Jedi will rise."
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Old 03-27-2017, 04:32 PM   #29
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An update from Iger, definitely retiring July 2, 2019, mapping out the next 15 years of Star Wars:
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We had to deal with tragedy at the end of 2016. Carrie appears throughout VIII. We are not changing VIII to deal with her passing. Her performance remains as it is in VIII. In Rogue One, we had some digital character. We are not doing that with Carrie.
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Old 04-14-2017, 11:09 AM   #30
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Old 04-15-2017, 09:46 PM   #31
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I'm a bit underwhelmed by the trailer. I don't put much stock in them anyway, as I'm sure the film will be fantastic, but it doesn't get me as excited as the one for Episode VII did.

I also hope Rey comes from a completely different line. I don't think everything in Star Wars needs to be related or intertwined. It would be nice to see someone without any ties to current characters pop up for a change.
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Old 04-15-2017, 10:32 PM   #32
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I'm one with the hype; the hype is with me.
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Old 04-15-2017, 11:15 PM   #33
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I'm a bit underwhelmed by the trailer. I don't put much stock in them anyway, as I'm sure the film will be fantastic, but it doesn't get me as excited as the one for Episode VII did.

I think Star Wars hype has reached its peak with the "Chewie We're Home!" line from the trailer for Episode VII, seeing Han Solo for the first time in 32 years. Everything else is downhill from that.

Will still see it in theaters of course, but the "one Star Wars film a year" thing is sort of taking away the novelty of the event of a new Star Wars flick.
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Old 04-16-2017, 02:22 AM   #34
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The best observation I've seen about the teaser is that it's meant to intrigue the viewer rather than blow them away with spectacle. It's supposed to make you wonder why Luke would walk away from it all, and if he can be coaxed back.

And out of all the trailers since that second Force Awakens teaser, this one is probably the least reliant on nostalgia. Most of the references to or appearances by original trilogy elements are either brief, distant, shadowed, or barely audible. Elements and characters that are new to this film or from the last film are mostly seen close up, or taking up the majority of the frame in comparison to any other elements.

Maybe that change in direction from the other films' trailers is a miscalculation on their part, but it's interesting.
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Old 04-17-2017, 12:07 PM   #35
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I think Star Wars hype has reached its peak with the "Chewie We're Home!" line from the trailer for Episode VII, seeing Han Solo for the first time in 32 years. Everything else is downhill from that.

Will still see it in theaters of course, but the "one Star Wars film a year" thing is sort of taking away the novelty of the event of a new Star Wars flick.

That may be part of it. I do like that the trailer doesn't give much away, which is a nice change of pace.
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Old 07-16-2017, 04:31 PM   #36
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Old 12-15-2017, 05:00 AM   #37
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Saw this on its initial midnight showings here in the UK.

This film does some stuff that surpised me in a good way, there are some fantastic performances and visuals and and theres some stuff that I thought was a little disappointing too.

I thought that the standout performances come from Mark Hamill and Adam Driver.

The film follows directly on from TFA, starting with the Resistance evacuating their base as the First Order are on their way to retaliate for the destruction of the Starkiller base.

We then move on to Lukes island as Rey hands him his lightsaber.

Luke wants nothing to do with her and wants her to leave, he doesn't train her. Rey is good here as she wants Luke to help her understand her powers. They also really go somewhere dark when Luke does ask her to open her mind to the force and she embraces the dark side which is present on the island in the form of a similar dark side cave to the one on Dagobah. But disappointingly they don't really explore this further. We get to hear and see how Luke tried to kill Ben Solo when he discovers he is turning to the dark side, but he also blames himself for that happening. Luke is very broken. We get a Yoda cameo too. We see the Jedi archives that Luke has and we hear him decrying the Jedi order for the mistake they made with Anakin and then him with Ben Solo. Theres some kind of force connection between Kylo and Rey and they can communicate, I can see this being a divisive plot point with the die hards. Luke discovers this and orders her to leave the island, she believes she can turn Kylo back and goes to him. This is all a plan from Snoke to draw her out so he can find out where Luke is and then kill her.


I really liked the Snoke character, evil with a great look and I wanted to know more about him.
But I was surprised that Snoke is killed by Kylo Ren halfway through. The ensuing lightsaber fight where he teams up with Rey to defeat Snokes guards was good and also unexpected too. They turn on each other at the end as he wants her to join him, but she leaves Kylo unconscious, at this point Rey basically disappears from the movie until the end battle on Crait where she pops up in the Falcon with Chewie.


In between all this....
The First Order are pursuing whats left of The Resistance, which is basically Leias cruiser. She is out of action due to being injured but then comes to life in a ridiculous scene. The only way for the Resistance to be able to flee successfully is if they can disable the FO's tracking ability.


So in order to accomplish this they send Finn to the casino planet Canto Bight. This was my main downside of the story
ultimately this side adventure is pointless as they fail in their mission, all it is there to do is set up Benicio Del Toros character to double cross them and help the First Order discover the Resistance ships fleeing the main cruiser to the nearby planet of Crait


Visually the end battle on Crait looks fantastic with its red planet surface, it has elements of the Hoth battle and also some elements of the Jedi space battle in the Death Stars superstructure too.

Luke using the force to project himself on to Crait to then confront Kylo in a lightsaber face off was a surprise and his supposed death from using the force to do that wasn't the way I expected Luke to go out. That was a touch disappointing I thought.


Also...

I can't see anything other than a CGI Leia in IX, she is alive and well at the end of TLJ and part of the small band that escape the First Order on Crait


I'll be seeing it again over Christmas, its a good film that rattled by considering its nearly 2.5 half hours long. My first impression was that it wasn't as immediate as TFA or RO, theres lots going on and lots to think about too, especially because of the story choices they make. I can see elements of it being either loved or hated with no inbetween.
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Old 12-15-2017, 11:47 PM   #38
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Ugh. It was better the prequels is about the best thing I can say in a spoiler-free context. #not myStarWars
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Old 12-16-2017, 08:55 PM   #39
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Yup. Red hot mess -- I'll stick with Rogue One, thank you very much.

Tough watching Carrie Fischer -- with her bipolar disorder and other ailments/dependencies, I can't watch the film without thinking that this return to the limelight was the wrong thing for her.

Daisy Ridley is a bona fide star and its a shame she's getting a phantom menac(y) franchise.
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Old 12-18-2017, 11:40 AM   #40
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I'm still trying to process it all. It was fun, yet I can't shake some glaring character and pacing problems. It's okay but the people calling it the best since Empire are really over-selling it.

I need to see it a few more times once it comes out on home release, but right now I'd easily place Rogue One and The Force Awakens above it. My wife and I both walked out happy, yet as the weekend wore on we both found major issues with the film that brought it down for us. It has some incredible moments but it also has some stuff that really sinks it too.
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Old 12-19-2017, 05:37 AM   #41
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I'm still trying to process it all. It was fun, yet I can't shake some glaring character and pacing problems. It's okay but the people calling it the best since Empire are really over-selling it.

I need to see it a few more times once it comes out on home release, but right now I'd easily place Rogue One and The Force Awakens above it. My wife and I both walked out happy, yet as the weekend wore on we both found major issues with the film that brought it down for us. It has some incredible moments but it also has some stuff that really sinks it too.
My feelings too. I think the Canto Bight casino planet part of the story derails the pace a bit for me.

I'll be seeing it again over Xmas. Definitely not 'the best since Empire' though, I came away from both Rogue One and Foece Awakens more satisfied than with the latest one. However it may be a grower that over time gets better, because I think theres more stuff in this thats different than I expected to happen - and thats why I think some people are unhappy with it in that they make some choices with characters that wasn't expected.
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Old 12-19-2017, 05:05 PM   #42
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Wanted to love it - didnt.


I could see Luke posting infomercial ads like -

"Be a Jedi - 3 easy lessons!"

Casino planet - why. And what was up with the Mos scene. So silly Star Wars is still trying to make amends for having about zero strong women except Leia in a New Hope, and the putting her in a metal bikini in Jedi. It's affirmative action has gone a bit too far.
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Old 12-19-2017, 09:22 PM   #43
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Unpopular opinion time:

I think they should recast Leia for Episode IX and let the character play the larger role in that film's story that they were obviously setting up in this film. Reverence for Carrie Fisher should not outweigh telling a coherent three-part story for the Leia character. I'd rather not just see her arbitrarily written out or "killed off" between films.
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Wanted to love it - didnt.
... It's affirmative action has gone a bit too far.

They took the rape and pillage out of the kids ride, so now everybody is chasing obesity. Is it really much of a shock that they've gone this direction?
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Unpopular opinion time:

I think they should recast Leia for Episode IX and let the character play the larger role in that film's story that they were obviously setting up in this film. Reverence for Carrie Fisher should not outweigh telling a coherent three-part story for the Leia character. I'd rather not just see her arbitrarily written out or "killed off" between films.

I sort of agree, but it's been decided already that just won't happen.
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Old 12-20-2017, 11:21 AM   #46
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They took the rape and pillage out of the kids ride, so now everybody is chasing obesity. Is it really much of a shock that they've gone this direction?

Wait, what? I get the Pirates of the Caribbean referent, but beyond that, I'm lost.
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Wait, what? I get the Pirates of the Caribbean referent, but beyond that, I'm lost.

I think heís talking about what Joe Brody alluded too, which is the training Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher had to go through to get in shape and lose weight to be in these movies. Given Carrieís dark past and abuse issues, I guess itís fair to speculate that had there been no new trilogy, or rather Leia only made a small cameo, there might the chance sheíd still be here with us.

Of course her Return Of The Jedi Day were long behind her, but there is a scene in this movie one wonders how much preparation she did.

As far as my thoughts on the movie, Iíll be the odd man out and say I liked it. After leaving TFA really disappointed and enjoying Rogue One the most expensive fan-film as opposed to an official installment, this one felt closest to the original trilogy, and the ending, particularly Lukeís arc, satisfied.

That said...I donít know what to look forward to in terms of Epsidoe IX, especially with Fisher gone. The new characters just donít have the same appeal as the original characters.
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Old 12-20-2017, 05:50 PM   #48
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I was very pleased and have loved all three of the Disney Star Wars films. It was unexpected an I enjoyed all of the new characters Rian Johnson introduced us to.
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Wait, what? I get the Pirates of the Caribbean referent, but beyond that, I'm lost.

Instead of chasing 'sex' we're now chasing food. Or better, gluttony. Over stuffing....etc
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Old 12-23-2017, 09:37 AM   #50
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THE LAST JEDI PLOT SYNOPSIS...

As The Last Jedi opens, we learn that The First Order has been severely limited by the destruction of their planet weapon, except they havenít been. The Resistance is eager to escape, except theyíre not, as they engage in a prolonged battle which costs them several ships and many recruits. Leia berates Poe for relying too much on blowing things up in his fighter, except she then orders him to blow things up in his fighter. Rey hands Luke his fabled lightsaber in a continuation of that conflicted, soulful cliffhanger from the last movie. Except he now is not soulful and conflicted. He throws the lightsaber away and f@cks off down a hill to milk an alien. NOTE: this alien-milking bit is genuinely funny and freaky and not a valid reason for people across the internet threatening to kill themselves. Rey NEEDS to be trained, except she doesnít, being the most preternaturally gifted, talented, resourceful Jedi ever. Luke kinda decides to train her a bit, except he doesnít. We learn that Luke, having sensed the Force Pazuzu within Kylo Ben, considered killing him, except he didnít. NOTE: this is not contradictory to Lukeís character; true, he redeemed Vader, but remembering how much death, mayhem and misery his father inflicted, itís reasonable that he would contemplate killing Kylo Ben to spare the galaxy of all that sh!t happening again. This is an intriguing nuance to Lukeís backstory interval whatever narrative and not a valid reason for people across the internet threatening to kill themselves. Kylo Ben then decided to kill Luke, except he didnít. Rey gets frustrated at all this balls, so decides to leave. Luke decides to burn the blessed Jedi manuals, except he doesnít. Yoda then decides to burn the blessed Jedi manuals. He burns the blessed Jedi manuals. The manuals are indeed burned now, except theyíre not. Itís not explained why Luke would turn off the Force and abandon the Jedi code, but still keep the f@cking manuals around anyway. Kylo decides to kill Leia, except he doesnít. Anonymous TIE fighter pilots decide to kill her anyway. Leia is dead, except sheís not. Thereís a mutiny, except thereís a counter-mutiny. Leia and Ellie Satler had agreed upon a plan five hours earlier, except they didnít impart this information to their own f@cking team, thus inadvertently causing two mutinies. Rey turns Kylo Ben towards goodness, except she doesnít. Kylo Ben has momentarily become a relatable character, except he hasnít. Snoke doesnít notice a lightsaber being used against him, despite his power and perception. Snoke is incredibly powerful and perceptive, except when heís not. Captain Phasma reappears, except Snoke and Kylo Ben would know she kinda caused the destruction of their planet weapon and consequently murder her. Snoke and Kylo Ben are incredibly powerful and perceptive, except when theyíre not. Phasma is important again, except sheís not and dies, expect maybe sheís not dead and might appear for a minute in the next movie, f@ck knows. Finn and Whatís-Her-Face have spent a good twenty-five minutes on a subplot which is vital, except itís pointless. They didnít find a hacker, except they found a hacker. They died in prison, except they didnít. They freed creatures, except theyíll soon be recaptured. The hacker helps, except he doesnít. The First Order could easily have intimidated or tortured information from the hacker, expect they give him the equivalent of the Powerball and he flies away. Ellie Satler destroys a huge destroyer by light-speed flying herself into it, except nobody ever used this amazingly decisive tactic ever before. The Resistance escapes to a planet in order to survive, except they decide to make a suicide run against AT-AT-on-steroids things. Finn decides to sacrifice himself by flying a knackered speeder into a giant thermo-laser cannon, a bit like Randy Quaid in Independence Day, except Whatís-Her-Face stops him. Whatís-Her-Face saves Finn because protecting what you love is the key to victory now, except she probably did to experience the legendary black c@ck, except by doing this she left the ENTIRE Resistance vulnerable to destruction. Luke shows up, except he doesnít. Kylo Ben fires an entire armadaís worth of ammunition on Luke, expecting him to die, except he doesnít. Kylo Ben doesnít realise that Luke is just jerking him off at this point, despite being incredibly powerful and perceptive. Kylo Ben is incredibly powerful and perceptive, except when heís not. F@ck knows. Kylo Ben fights Luke, except Luke isnít there. Luke lives, except he doesnít. Luke dies, except maybe heíll come back. We then see a Force-sensitive boy cleaning a stable from the subplot that doesnít matter, except now it does. The film, except for maybe one plot point progression, pretty much ends where it began, except for two-and-a-half hours passing.
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